[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

we bullied him into reading on. mwhahahahahahaha.

[Abyss]

Diagree. Bullying is entirely unacceptable in evolved modern society. We merely offered informed opinions for the OPers' consideration.

Raising the overt possibility of digestion by bio-organically manipulated hybrid animals is not 'bullying, btw. It's 'threatening'.

[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

Abyss, on 09 February 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Diagree. Bullying is entirely unacceptable in evolved modern society. We merely offered informed opinions for the OPers' consideration.

Raising the overt possibility of digestion by bio-organically manipulated hybrid animals is not 'bullying, btw. It's 'threatening'.

Of course we did.


Also, I failed to acknowledge that threatening is entirely acceptable in evolved modern society. Unlike bullying.

[Illuyankas]

I thought what kept them around was our witty and educated responses and general high level of intelligfhahahahahahahahaha

[sappers rule]

no it was not bullying its called peer pressure

Its completely the same different and is perfectly fine and legal.

This post has been edited by sappers rule: 10 February 2012 - 12:25 AM

[Veal]

Meant to post this here, but instead posted in a thread that is from a half an year ago.
http://forum.malazan...=0


Quoting myself :

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What i did was I skipped the book as soon as I found out that no one familiar was there. I was sad. I read the Bonehunter which was great (it was pretty much continuation to the 3th and 4th book) but then of course the 7th book was a problem being continuation perhaps to the 5th book (I think I don't know yet I have not read it)

Anyway! I digressed a lot. That was an year ago, after Bonehunters I read the 8th book and stopped. But last week I returned and started reading MT and Jessus Baby Goddess of Everything, it was really good, I needed sometimes to get into it but I persisted and I fall in love all over again in new characters in this world, Trull, Bugg, Tehol, Brys, and more and more. The book was great.
It was a long time ago that I read the first four (and my feeling for them have grown cold and distant - I need to rearead them I guess) but this one was great of the great (it makes sense in my head. I swear!) If you like the first 4 books you will like this one. Just accept that you are starting a new - new characters, new themes, though of course this is still Malazan book of the Fallen and there is going to be some familiarity if not in characters and settings.

This post has been edited by Veal: 12 February 2012 - 07:05 PM

[phants]

althanis, on 09 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Hi everyone! Thank you for taking time to share your opinions and respond to me. You guys are pretty funny too btw haha. I guess for a couple days there I was losing faith, and since I don't want to be among the first to be fed to the rabid/chipmunk hybrids, well... yeah.

I decided to spend a little more time reading MT, and I have to say it's kinda growing on me! I am enjoying it actually. What I'll do is I'll continue as far as I can, although by now I'm pretty sure I'm going to finish it, and when I'm done I'll post again and share my thoughts.

Thanks again for the advice; obviously you're all big fans, but made good points. Will be in touch.

Take a break when you need too, but stick it out. Unfortunately MT is like reading a brand new book, but the next book will bring older characters back in. After reading MT, I've decided it it my favorite book so far....I love Tehol and Bugg

[CrossSide]

Because of my English is bad I had problems with every book. But what you have to remember from Eriksson is that while the beginning of every book is really hard to get through, most endings are fantastic and then you realize how and who the characters are. In MT I really love Bugg and Tehol, but my love for them only came at the end.
On my trip to Mexico I lost DoD in the bus and since then I'm rereading all the books again. I suggest you do the same, because now I see how complex the books are and you have a lot more connection with the characters (for example the Bridgeburners) because now you know who they are and what they do. I am amazed how Eriksson writes and how deep the stories go. It can be hard to follow sometimes, but the ending of most books are worth it!

[Gorro]

Up to Midnight tides. I have to say the series has been hard reading so far. You definitely have to concentrate a lot more than your average book. I think its the sheer volume of characters and places that make keeping track of who who and where's where more difficult than a lot of books. The style of prose doesn't help either. And I totally get the not caring about the characters - lot of generic characters contributed to my difficulty in keeping various already complex plot lines separate - eg In GOTM I kept mixing up Paran and Crokus. They just felt like the same character to me and the fact that both were pawns of Opon didn't help. DG I was mixing up Felisin and Apsalar.

I say all that to say - why the hell am I up to Midnight tides? Because a) The Malazan Universe has grown on me. In the midst of a myriad of super boring characters - there are some VERY Interesting ones as well c) In the midst of some very ordinary story telling there are some redeeming moments of brilliance and baddassery that make you think "thats not so bad after all." d): The story builds LORE. And that is probably the most important point that keeps me going. If you are willing to invest the time and slow down and instead of skulling the wine glass, swish it around a bit in your mouth, there is a enough underlying flavour there to make up for SE's shortcomings.

In other words - the Malazan world has a depth that can be savoured and enjoyed if the reader is willing to invest the time to do so. The fact is, a lot of readers aren't and that's fine too. Personally, I normally just like the story to keep moving forward and so have felt frustrated at times, but the after taste is good enough for me to stick with it.

So difficult but often rewarding reading.

[Kanese S's]

I get mixing up Crokus and Paran... but Felisin and Apsalar? Really? True, they're both young women with considerable trauma in their lives... but to me they act in totally different ways. IMO, obviously.

[Gorro]

Kanese S, on 29 March 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

I get mixing up Crokus and Paran... but Felisin and Apsalar? Really? True, they're both young women with considerable trauma in their lives... but to me they act in totally different ways. IMO, obviously.

With Apsalar and Felison - It was when they were both travelling in DG I had problems - they were both kinda the emotional baggage in a group of soldiers/guys and I had to stop and think each time the story got back to them, Is she with Fid's group or the other one.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Gorro, on 29 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Kanese S, on 29 March 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

I get mixing up Crokus and Paran... but Felisin and Apsalar? Really? True, they're both young women with considerable trauma in their lives... but to me they act in totally different ways. IMO, obviously.

With Apsalar and Felison - It was when they were both travelling in DG I had problems - they were both kinda the emotional baggage in a group of soldiers/guys and I had to stop and think each time the story got back to them, Is she with Fid's group or the other one.

that makes sense to me, since one of the things that tied those two plots together was the question of which girl, felisin or apsalar, was going to become sha'ik. it was kind of up in the air who was gonna be who for a while with the two of them.

[Gorro]

Sinisdar Toste, on 29 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Gorro, on 29 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Kanese S, on 29 March 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

I get mixing up Crokus and Paran... but Felisin and Apsalar? Really? True, they're both young women with considerable trauma in their lives... but to me they act in totally different ways. IMO, obviously.

With Apsalar and Felison - It was when they were both travelling in DG I had problems - they were both kinda the emotional baggage in a group of soldiers/guys and I had to stop and think each time the story got back to them, Is she with Fid's group or the other one.

that makes sense to me, since one of the things that tied those two plots together was the question of which girl, felisin or apsalar, was going to become sha'ik. it was kind of up in the air who was gonna be who for a while with the two of them.

Thats it exactly - what you said -- Of course it had nothing to do with my reading too fast, impatience or any other personal failing or mental inability . . . much.

[Gorro]

Ok, Finished Midnight Tides. Very happy. As far as story telling goes I think this ones the best so far - a lot tighter with the POV's and sticking with them consistently enough for one to grow attached enough to a couple to care whether they lived or died. Or maybe its just because its the last one I've read - but I think its probably because SE's getting better as he goes - and I think maybe he has been listening to his critics - despite giving them the big FU in crack'd pot trail (which I read prior to MT). FU too SE! Lol. I'm sticking with the series.

[worry]

That's cool you'll go on. The Bonehunters might be the most fan-servicey book in the series, too, while also handling the transition towards the latter half of the series with aplomb.

[septimus]

The first time I read the series I only read up to the middle of Deadhouse Gates then got sidelined by other things for a while. But I enjoyed them.

The 2nd time I got half-way through dust of dreams before losing track off everyone... or rather i had lost track of everyone books ago... around HoC if i'm honest

I'm on my 3rd read through now and in reading them i can keep track much easier and better now... plus i have memories of events and things in the later books that are sparked off by what's going on in the earlier books and i haven't been lost at all... The effect is that I am awestruck at the sheer complexity, depth and breadth of the series... they seriously are cuckoldingly awesome and like a fine wine gets better with each year the malazan series gets better with each read through.

So my advise is to read as far as you can till it's unbearable in it's obfuscasity (excuse spelling errors) then leave it for a year or whatever then pick it up again and you'll be like " *list of expletives* how did i not like this before? *list of expletives*" the length of the list being determined by how potty-mouthed you are...

[worry]

The main lesson of that post is that septimus uses "cuckolding" as a positive superlative, which is very good to know.

Good. To. Know.

[wade]

worrywort, on 07 December 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

The main lesson of that post is that septimus uses "cuckolding" as a positive superlative, which is very good to know.

Good. To. Know.

Do you suppose it's the cuckolding or being cuckolded that septimus prefers?

[septimus]

Being cuckolded is fine. As long as I can cuckold without the cuckolded cuckolding me in turn....

It makes no sense; it's nonsense. Well it's sensical in that it's non-contradictory and logical. Someone who doesn't mind being cuckolded could mind being cuckolded by someone he's cuckolded. There's no contradiction in that statement. There are insaner things in heaven and earth after all. Thus with a twazzle - which is idiomatic onomatopoeia or an onomatopoeic idiom indicating the sound of a pronation one makes at the end of a magical illusion if such an action were to have a sound - I sliver into the river and out of the trap with Kruppian ease.

[Ulysses]

this is exactly why you don't begin book five with two groups of fairly unknown characters