[Rashan]

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Bah. Action failed again. On Tennes.

I wonder if Fener actually believes I'm cult or just wants me gone because I can fuck his Shields up if I stop missing.

So Anthras was called the butcher. Was that a town kill maybe? There were 2 kills missing last night, not 1.

So so far it's been:

night 1 - Barghast (now dead, CFd town)
night 2 - ??
night 3 - Tennes (still alive)

And failed every time.

Who was night 2 again?

[Rashan]

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

Dammit, my internet shat out on me and I lost a post. I'll repeat it as best I can.

I'm tired of my actions failing. I actually agree with you, Fener, that cult is the bigger threat right now. I also agree that I would rather settle this town vs scum.

And you have two shields left, correct?

Give me the name of one of them. I'll prove who I am. You'll lose a Shield, but you'll also know that I actually am town, and we can work together to eradicate the cult.

In fact, I'll agree to refrain from my NA (after I prove it initially, of course) until the cult leader is taken care if.

Of course, you can lie with the name. My NA would fail on anyone not a Shield, and I would cry lie or guard. Then you could get my lynched. I don't discount the possibility, but I hope you see the benifit in the sacrifice of a minor pawn to form this temporary alliance.

Any of that sound good? Or fruitless?

Oh, and if you're worried about me recruiting your Shield, it shouldn't matter. From all indication they function as your shield even as cult. So if I did recruit your Shield, you could lynch me and still have 2 shields, just with one not technically on your team (but still wanting to survive, I'd bet).

This is getting confusinger

[Rashan]

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Whether or not anyone believes me, the offer stands.

Want to know a secret? Your Shield will not even perish. You'll still have the protection of two bodies between you and the angry mob.

It will bring our alliance together in a very close way, of which will be apparent if you do this.

Town won't lynch the Shield either, if the NA succeeds. I can guarantee that.

This is getting confusingererer.

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

[Rashan]

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

also, to refresh
right now:
wcs
Cult 3
Scum 3
Town 3

Bcs

Scum 2
Cult 2
Town 5

and anyhting in betwen.

WCs presumes cult started with 2, with successful recruits every night.
BCS assumes cult started with 1, and recruited another shieldlast night.

I really can't see us being in the WCS and the game still having been balanced from the start, so I think we're in the BCS or something close to it. But as we all know, in mafia we act like its the WCS, which in this case is really depressing...

[Rashan]

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

well, I'm not scum.
HP and Rashan were behind the OE push from day 1.

which leaves Korbas and Sorritt.

Sorrit was pretty vocal, and Korbas..... I can't recall much of what he said, tbh.

Korbas hasn't said a whole lot but a part of that is that he's online while everyone else is asleep (as usual).

[Kalse]

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

[Kalse]

 Rashan, on 10 February 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Bah. Action failed again. On Tennes.

I wonder if Fener actually believes I'm cult or just wants me gone because I can fuck his Shields up if I stop missing.

So Anthras was called the butcher. Was that a town kill maybe? There were 2 kills missing last night, not 1.

So so far it's been:

night 1 - Barghast (now dead, CFd town)
night 2 - ??
night 3 - Tennes (still alive)

And failed every time.


Who was night 2 again?

night 2 was osseric.

edited, b/c I replied inside a quote.

This post has been edited by Kalse: 10 February 2012 - 03:16 AM

[Osseric]

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 10 February 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

So 9 people left.

Take out Fener.

Decide if you think Ruse is Scum. I don't believe he is scum. (he did know I was inno)

If you don't think he is scum, then Osseric, Tennes, and Ruse are not scum. (this does not mean these people can't be cult)

That leaves

Hoods Path, Kalse, Rashan, Korbas, Sorrit.

2 are Shields, 3 are inno/cult.

Since Fener also has to worry about the cult as well, I say we let him worry about the cult (he does have killing power after all). and we will worry about the shields.

I will likely vote one of those 5 as they could be either cult OR shield. (better odds.)

This is wrong.

I don't have to worry about the cult, that's exactly my point. My victory conditions say nothing about eradicating cult, only town. AND, as you saw with Olar Ethil, OE's CF suggests that they REMAINED my shield as well as being cult. Cult is a bigger danger to town than it is to me. YOU have to worry about the cult.

The only reason I'm pushing the cult angle is because, frankly, I don't like it in the game, and the sooner it is gone the better. If town wins this, I'll say well done, well played. If cult wins this, then I'll just be pissed off.

Sure Fener... You just want them out...

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

I'll tell you what happened. Ruse was delighted at the mystery role that no one else knows about that he got, got all excited about it, and then, when trouble came a-calling with his name continually mentioned among the potential lynch candidates, he blew his load too early and 'revealed' in a panic.

Actually, I would argue that in fact it's been good play - he is, after all, not only alive, but having people believe him and is leading discussions.

[Rashan]

So. Ruse the uber-duper role. Let me see if I have this straight. Ruse's role:

-is a NA
-only works on shields
-doesn't kill the shield
-doesn't remove fener's protection from the shield
-is obvious


The only thing I can think of that fits that is that if he targets a shield it is outed to the entire thread. So basically a reveal-less shield finder. Except that Ruse said before that he wasn't a finder...

I have no problem believing that Fener really did try and NK Ruse last night, there'd be very little benefit from him taking no action and pretending he did when if he tried the NK and it succeeded he'd get what he wants that much sooner.

Whether recruiter or uber finder, I don't see Ruse having a BP. It'd be too much combining of all the town powers into one role. A healer is much more likely. But then the problem is Ruse could be the cult leader and still have been healed.

[Fener]

 Osseric, on 10 February 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 10 February 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

So 9 people left.

Take out Fener.

Decide if you think Ruse is Scum. I don't believe he is scum. (he did know I was inno)

If you don't think he is scum, then Osseric, Tennes, and Ruse are not scum. (this does not mean these people can't be cult)

That leaves

Hoods Path, Kalse, Rashan, Korbas, Sorrit.

2 are Shields, 3 are inno/cult.

Since Fener also has to worry about the cult as well, I say we let him worry about the cult (he does have killing power after all). and we will worry about the shields.

I will likely vote one of those 5 as they could be either cult OR shield. (better odds.)

This is wrong.

I don't have to worry about the cult, that's exactly my point. My victory conditions say nothing about eradicating cult, only town. AND, as you saw with Olar Ethil, OE's CF suggests that they REMAINED my shield as well as being cult. Cult is a bigger danger to town than it is to me. YOU have to worry about the cult.

The only reason I'm pushing the cult angle is because, frankly, I don't like it in the game, and the sooner it is gone the better. If town wins this, I'll say well done, well played. If cult wins this, then I'll just be pissed off.

Sure Fener... You just want them out...

Yeah, fuck you too. Whatever. Don't say I didn't try. Your problem then. I am pretty appalled at the unwillingness of town to even *consider* the possibility so far.

[Rashan]

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

I'll tell you what happened. Ruse was delighted at the mystery role that no one else knows about that he got, got all excited about it, and then, when trouble came a-calling with his name continually mentioned among the potential lynch candidates, he blew his load too early and 'revealed' in a panic.

Actually, I would argue that in fact it's been good play - he is, after all, not only alive, but having people believe him and is leading discussions.

I'll admit that this is possible, and I'm trying not to trust my gut (so often doesn't work) and be logical firstmost.

Too late in the game to test Ruse's claimed NA results, and if he's cultist it wouldn't matter anyways he could just pick random people. There's no trusting that Fener would tell us if one of Ruse's VPIs was actually a shield.

[Kalse]

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

I'll tell you what happened. Ruse was delighted at the mystery role that no one else knows about that he got, got all excited about it, and then, when trouble came a-calling with his name continually mentioned among the potential lynch candidates, he blew his load too early and 'revealed' in a panic.

Actually, I would argue that in fact it's been good play - he is, after all, not only alive, but having people believe him and is leading discussions.

yeah....but.... after TWO votes???

it's just....mindboggligly stupid.....

[Fener]

 Rashan, on 10 February 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

There's no trusting that Fener would tell us if one of Ruse's VPIs was actually a shield.

No, you're right, I wouldn't say either way, because to do so (if it is the case) would be to ruin the game of one of my teammates.

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

I'll tell you what happened. Ruse was delighted at the mystery role that no one else knows about that he got, got all excited about it, and then, when trouble came a-calling with his name continually mentioned among the potential lynch candidates, he blew his load too early and 'revealed' in a panic.

Actually, I would argue that in fact it's been good play - he is, after all, not only alive, but having people believe him and is leading discussions.

yeah....but.... after TWO votes???

it's just....mindboggligly stupid.....

Kalse, the result speaks for itself. Look at the position he's in now. Stupid? Hindsight says it wasn't.

[Kalse]

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Fener, on 10 February 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

 Ruse, on 10 February 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Oh, and Town, if you would like to ask me straightforward questions I will answer them honestly. Yes/no are easiest, and are good for clarification since people never understand me when I try to explain things extensively.

Just don't ask me if I'm a specific role or not, I can't answer that.

that doesn't leave much room for questions, y'know.

I don't think you're cult.
that's good enuff for me

if we suppose your action doesn't work on shileds, we can cross 2 people off the "potential shiled" list.
doesn't mean they aren't cult though.

Let's look at this another way.

You don't want to believe he's cult because that makes things easier for you. Less thinking to do. "Oh great, we can cross two people off now because Ruse said so". And how do you know Ruse's game isn't to take any attention off a new recruit, for example? You don't, you're not even trying to think about it - you're just blinkering yourself.

But you know, whatever. Just my two cents and all.

For the record, I won't be going after Ruse at night again. He's your problem.

My offer still stands if you want it. Get rid of Ruse and I won't target anyone tonight. As I said, I can only give you my word, but there's not much more that I can do.

no, i'm not acting this way becuase i'm "blinkered"
I'm playing this way, because I refuse to believe that a player in a 1-man faction would deliberately draw attention to himself.
every


single


day


because I refuse to believe in such mnoronic play.

in this, I am countermanding the cardinal rule of mafia "everyone else playing is an idiot", but there must be limits to that! surely.


Also @ Rash: I agree about the wcs. I'd actually argue it's more likey we still ahave 2 shields and 2 cultists, but we need to keep the wcs in mind, just in case.

I'll tell you what happened. Ruse was delighted at the mystery role that no one else knows about that he got, got all excited about it, and then, when trouble came a-calling with his name continually mentioned among the potential lynch candidates, he blew his load too early and 'revealed' in a panic.

Actually, I would argue that in fact it's been good play - he is, after all, not only alive, but having people believe him and is leading discussions.

yeah....but.... after TWO votes???

it's just....mindboggligly stupid.....

Kalse, the result speaks for itself. Look at the position he's in now. Stupid? Hindsight says it wasn't.

Helluva unjustified risk, still....

ack, i dunno. if he's playing us, he's been doing so masterfully.

[Rashan]

Yeah, it seems like weird as shit play if he was cult leader.

But it's also weird as shit play for the most important town role.

[Osseric]

Kalse... stop listening to stupid pig... Stupid pig is playing for 1 team.

team pork.

[Kalse]

 Osseric, on 10 February 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

Kalse... stop listening to stupid pig... Stupid pig is playing for 1 team.

team pork.

yeah, obviously.
but Ruse's play is still some weird-ass shit.