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#21 User is offline   worry 

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:09 PM

Well on a reread I think people should read them however they want. But first time through, NOK should probably go right before TBH for maximum impact. Definitely not before DG.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:33 AM

Just to make that clear, the ST/Cot reveal is available in GotM... if you know what to look for.
It's in the dialogue between WJ's squad and Tattersail when they first meet, pretty early in the book.
Of course at this point no reader could possibly make a connection, and of course it's far more black-on-white in DG, but still...
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:47 AM

The fact that it's there obliquely at the start but only dawns on you gradually (or more pointedly in DG) is the whole point. There is no "but still...", it's a deliberate layering of something awesome that readers suss out over the course of the first couple books. There's a reason the opening crawl to A New Hope doesn't tell you that Luke Skywalker is Darth Vader's son, just so you have all the facts.

edit: That's not an argument with you in particular, Jorram, even though it comes after your post and I mention the "but still" part...it's just in terms of the thrust of the thread topic.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:05 AM

After some mulling about it, I'm changing my preferred read order (for first-time readers) to:

GotM >> DG >> BF >> tLoLE >> WoBM >> MoI >> HoC >> MT >> tHD >> NoK >> tBH >> RG >> CPT >> RotCG >> TtH >> SW >> DoD >> OST >> TCG >> B&B >> Assail


I think OST between DoD and TCG gives a much-needed pause between which amplifies the post-DoD anticipation, and the references to TCG hype up that book nicely, an effect that is not the same if read post-TCG (at which point it is more of a "so that's why ____ and ____" effect, which is not as powerful).

Furthermore, it means TCG is the last novel for the three "main" zones - quon tali/7C, genebackis and Lether. OST being after TCG steals a bit of its epic-finale thunder, but B&B and Assail, being on not-yet-visited continents, will probably not do this the same way.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:51 PM

 Jorram, on 26 May 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Just to make that clear, the ST/Cot reveal is available in GotM... if you know what to look for.
It's in the dialogue between WJ's squad and Tattersail when they first meet, pretty early in the book.
Of course at this point no reader could possibly make a connection, and of course it's far more black-on-white in DG, but still...


Maybe it's only because I started GotM over in the middle, and therefore read the relevant dialogue twice...but I agree with Jorram. I considered the DG discussion to be more of a rehash than a reveal. If SE intended it to be a shocking reveal in DG...oops...I considered it old news at that point. :)

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:44 AM

My suggested (first-time) reading order up to The Bonehunters:

This River Awakens <- not Malazan, but it's a wonderful book that prepares you perfectly for what is to come. It's like a tuning exercise. I really think it works best for new readers to start here. Lots of Malazan themes have their origin in this book.

Gardens of the Moon
Deadhouse Gates
First two Bauchelain & Korbal Broach (Blood Follows & Lees of Laughter's End)
Memories of Ice
Crack'd Pot Trail (because it works great as cooldown from MoI)
House of Chains
Night of Knives (I put this before MT because HoC is the book that the most delves in past events)
Midnight Tides
Third B&KB (The Healthy Dead, because plays with some themes in MT)
The Bonehunters

then it would probably go:

Reaper's Gale
Return of the Crimson Guard
Toll the Hounds
Stonewielder
Dust of Dreams
The Crippled God
Orb, Sceptre, Throne

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

Now that FoD and B&B are out, here's the revised reading order, IMO (with flexibility!):

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:51 AM

Nice work
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

"Goats of Glory" should be read after TtH because of references to certain astronomical conditions.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

 Salt-Man Z, on 07 January 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

"Goats of Glory" should be read after TtH because of references to certain astronomical conditions.


Oh yeah, I forgot GoG had that little reference (which seems to never be mentioned again post-TtH)

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:47 AM

I need some suggestions please. I've followed the following order as a first time reader and it's worked pretty well: GotM -> DG -> HoC -> MT -> BH -> NoK -> RG -> RotCG -> TtH

I just finished TTH and thought it was phenomenal. I'm oscillating between "I have to read the rest of the books ... yesterday" and "OMG only two more SE books in the series. What will I do with the rest of my life?"

I have both DoD and TCG sitting on my bookshelf. I can't find Stonewielder or OST anywhere in my neck of the woods and it might be some time before I can get hold of them.

So ... how much poorer does my experience (as a first-time reader) become if I go DoD->TCG->Stonewielder->OST the rest of the way? Is it worth waiting a couple of months so that I can read the books in the recommended order?
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

I think the this thread gives me some answers and, yes, I was a lazy ass for not searching before posting but I'd still appreciate suggestions.

http://forum.malazan...-back-to-rotcg/
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:12 PM

Finish the main series.

I might be wrong, but there are no major spoilers for Stonewielder in Dust of Dreams or The Crippled God. There might be one or two vague references to events, but I don't think your experience will be any poorer for reading it afterward.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:27 AM

 Defiance, on 13 May 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Finish the main series.

I might be wrong, but there are no major spoilers for Stonewielder in Dust of Dreams or The Crippled God. There might be one or two vague references to events, but I don't think your experience will be any poorer for reading it afterward.


Thanks. Will get going on DoD in a bit.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, the only ICE book that really inserts itself into the MBotF is RotCG. There's some hefty spoilers of RotCG that come up in DoD, and there's plotlines that go directly from RotCG into TtH. But SW, OST and B&B are more removed from the MBotF, mostly because they all take place around TCG, anyway, so reading them after all the MBotF is not a big deal.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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