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Eastern Wolves : Chapter 2 of Sengoku Jidai Series Warring States Mafia

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:36 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

So he is supposed to take your word, after you initially lied. You are forgetting. KARA has TRIED TO NK YOU LAST NIGHT. You have no BP. You will be dead tonight. You will not be able to recruit him.



This is actually the bit that I don't understand. I SHOULD have died last night if Kara attacked me, as i still hadn't regained my BP. But I didn't. Which leads me to conclude that I do have some other kind of protection also.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM

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View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

So he is supposed to take your word, after you initially lied. You are forgetting. KARA has TRIED TO NK YOU LAST NIGHT. You have no BP. You will be dead tonight. You will not be able to recruit him.



This is actually the bit that I don't understand. I SHOULD have died last night if Kara attacked me, as i still hadn't regained my BP. But I didn't. Which leads me to conclude that I do have some other kind of protection also.



convenient.....

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

So he is supposed to take your word, after you initially lied. You are forgetting. KARA has TRIED TO NK YOU LAST NIGHT. You have no BP. You will be dead tonight. You will not be able to recruit him.



This is actually the bit that I don't understand. I SHOULD have died last night if Kara attacked me, as i still hadn't regained my BP. But I didn't. Which leads me to conclude that I do have some other kind of protection also.



convenient.....


Kara himself has said he's attacked me practically every night, so yes, he removed my BP well before last night. But something else has kept me alive.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:41 PM

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.



Nice - hiding behind semantics :)

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM

View PostKaratallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!



If we lynch Korv then I will recruit you. I was voting Olar because I felt that was the Fuji general and wanted to remove that killer from the game, whilst I thought my general could kill Korv in the night. However, if Korv is telling the truth about his own BP, then it might be safest to lynch Korv instead of waiting for night.

I will then recruit you as the Fuji general won't be able to kill me. If my general targets Olar, then I think the safest bet for the other Fuji is for you to target Korlat.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:47 PM

Thus:

remove vote

Vote Korvalain

Shelly, sorry about this - you should do the same.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.



Nice - hiding behind semantics :)

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.



Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM

You're worse than my real boss

remove vote
vote Korvalain

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.



Nice - hiding behind semantics :)

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.



Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.


Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:55 PM

View PostSheltatha Lore, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

You're worse than my real boss

remove vote
vote Korvalain



:(

You've been a lovely vassal Shelly.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostKaratallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!



The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.



Nice - hiding behind semantics :)

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.



Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.


Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.



And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

View PostKaratallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!



The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.


So, you kill, your General kills...

Aren't you supposed to recruit KArat too? Who will be doing that?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:03 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

View PostKaratallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!



The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.


The day thing is correct, but if my BP was all the protection I had during the night, then Kara would have killed me already by now. Kara, you weren't part of the alliance, therefore your NKs should have worked on me, but they didn't. Now, I have my BP back, Fuji can't do shit for certain to me at night.

This post has been edited by Fener: 01 February 2012 - 08:03 PM


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostFener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.





So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.



I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward :(



I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.



Nice - hiding behind semantics :)

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.



Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.


Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.



And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.


Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:06 PM

I haven't played this game dishonest, as you are trying to point out. Was I happy that Gaylan Lord died because of a tactical move I made? Yes, absolutely. It was one of the few things I did right this game. But I wasn't gloating. I was happy that for once, something I did worked out.


Put yourself in my Shoes Kara, would you have been stoked if you planned a move, it worked to perfection, and a major competitor was removed from the game? Sorry if I got excited, but I have had little to cheer about in regards to my play this game.

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