[Shadow]

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Well, if its 10 vs 10 right now, then today's lynch decides the game.
I have no idea what these alliances mean. Were they in the first game?

No it doesn't. Voting parity doesn't matter. The factions probably don't know all their members, and the 2 allied factions certainly don't know the other's. So the game is definitely not decided.

No, the first game was a town v. scum game with the Hojo against the Shogunate. Contrary to history, the Shogunate pulled out a victory. The aftermath of the victory is that because the Hojo didn't claim the region, multiple clans are invading in an attempt to grab some land.

[Tiamatha]

well, i'm around. on a read through something did stick out at me.

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Red five, signing in

whoa star wars reference from nowhere and everyone knows that red five is LUKE SKYWALKER so I am taking a risk here and possibly outing the leader of a faction. decent odds he isn't mine.

then this

Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Greetings red five.

are you fucking joking me

this is the last time this is referenced and it makes me suspicious. of what, I couldn't say, but it seems like signaling.

[Tiamatha]

The merrid/eloth bit i need to read up on before voting

[Shadow]

To be fair, I've always wanted to make my first post "Red leader, checking in". It's always popped into my head during day 1 "checking in" posts. I never have, of course, way too easy to point a signaling finger.

[Osseric]

Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

Omtose, on 24 January 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

That would be why then I suppose.

Aside from attempts to get things going and what appear to be joke votes, so far nothing is really striking me as important, maybe reading the thread over in the morning with fresh eyes will reveal something but the two events that are most mentioned so far, the Japanese RPing and the vote on/off spat between GL and Osseric, seem to not be overly suspicious.

Interesting to note though that the first RPd post to be written was by Merrid and was also written in Korean.

Oh nooo! signaling case again...
Osseric please don't get all worked up for nothing again.

Then again, what if it is signalin???

OMG how could I have missed this one!!!

vote merrid

No! Wait!

remove vote

Now I see that I have missed yet another signaling case. Shelatha Lore did the exact same thing as GL I must

vote Shelatha lore

for signaling Atrahal

Remove vote

These things never work out anyway.

Edit: Needed to remove a vote somewhere

This post has been edited by Osseric: 24 January 2012 - 04:24 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

What the hell is Osseric spazzing about?

[Osseric]

Atrahal, on 24 January 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

I'm not too suspicious of osseric about it, since it's generally a good thing to stir stuff up on Day 1, and, in any case, it's not somehtign I see a "leader"-type role doing this early on. Don't forget, this is a merc game, so we're no longer looking for the "first person to do something suspicious" player.



esp not considering our leaders have already made alliances.

What? Me? Suspicious? Never!

On an entirely serious side note that last sentence makes me feel that you know entriely too much about the whole alliance mechanic that is part of this game. I know it probably makes sense that the leaders of a clan will be the ones to make alliances but that can't be taken as fact as it seems you are alluding it to be.

[Osseric]

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

What the hell is Osseric spazzing about?

I'm still spamming the thread. I got hit with an unexpected assignment and I'm getting my mafia fix in early. I am still trying to catch up and am doing a dkt style respond as I go.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Osseric, on 24 January 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

What the hell is Osseric spazzing about?

I'm still spamming the thread. I got hit with an unexpected assignment and I'm getting my mafia fix in early. I am still trying to catch up and am doing a dkt style respond as I go.

Are you planning to react to evry post with your name in it even if they don't accuse you of anyhting?

[Shadow]

Hurry up please! I have to leave soon

[Omtose]

Reading throuh everything that has been said it certainly feels like there is something worth exploring here, not because of the initial 'joke' of posting in Korean by Merrid (who was correct when he pointed out that he was the first to post in another language, it was TS who after that posted in actual Japanese) but more due to the reaction it elicited out of Eloth.

It certainly makes me think Eloth knows something, about Merrid possibly or about someone else even that he is trying to deflect attention away. He takes his time to even come close to answering the questions put to him and only after a slew of childish, bizarre posts.

It feels like I could go in circles trying to figure out if he is distracting from Merrid (who has been rather quiet until a little more heat was put on him) or trying to make Merrid look like a more lynchable target in which case what else is he diverting from? Since there is no way that is a good long term strategy for saving himself, not if he is causing raised hackles.

If that was a way of distracting from Merrid it was extremely clumsy and over the top reactionary when one or two more reasoned responses would have probably had people looking elsewhere again.

I don't think it is a role that is making him behave in this manner, it would seem far too unfair and it feels more like someone just being an ass and panicking.

[Merrid]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

So I have a bit to hang around here. Unless I missed it, has anyone actually discussed this and the implications?

Path-Shaper, on 23 January 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

War was inevitable and sides were starting to be drawn. Old enemies gritted their teeth and agreed to fight alongside each other, at least for now. Others snubbed offers of treaty as premature, or as disadvantageous . It was becoming more obvious, with skirmishes between armed troops already begun, that old slights could be put aside for a perceived gain.

The Fujiwari of Odawara and the Takeda of Kai have openly allied.
The Ashikaga of Kyoto and the Uesugi of Echigo have openly allied.

So if there are 4 clans present, it comes down to a 10v10 game right now. I would assume an open alliance creates victory conditions to eliminate the opposing factions while keeping your allies around. I can't help but feel these alliances might be only temporary. I'm concerned as to how worried I should be to lynch one of my allies. If this is truly a permanent attachment, a lynch like the one currently happening actually has a 50% chance (again, assuming there are 4 factions) of being in my "faction".

This doesn't seem right to me. I feel that the alliances might only be temporary. Any thoughts here?

Or it could be 8v8v4 if there are 5 factions of 4 and those 4 allied up quick leaving the 5th without an ally.

and no, that 5th would not be Koreans! Maybe the Imagawa?

[Merrid]

Omtose, on 24 January 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Reading throuh everything that has been said it certainly feels like there is something worth exploring here, not because of the initial 'joke' of posting in Korean by Merrid (who was correct when he pointed out that he was the first to post in another language, it was TS who after that posted in actual Japanese) but more due to the reaction it elicited out of Eloth.

It certainly makes me think Eloth knows something, about Merrid possibly or about someone else even that he is trying to deflect attention away. He takes his time to even come close to answering the questions put to him and only after a slew of childish, bizarre posts.

It feels like I could go in circles trying to figure out if he is distracting from Merrid (who has been rather quiet until a little more heat was put on him) or trying to make Merrid look like a more lynchable target in which case what else is he diverting from? Since there is no way that is a good long term strategy for saving himself, not if he is causing raised hackles.

If that was a way of distracting from Merrid it was extremely clumsy and over the top reactionary when one or two more reasoned responses would have probably had people looking elsewhere again.

I don't think it is a role that is making him behave in this manner, it would seem far too unfair and it feels more like someone just being an ass and panicking.

I was quiet? Well yeah, I was sleeping (and before I went to bed there was not really any heat me, nor it seemed anyone to talk to except Atrah who posted once every 30 min). But I digress, things weren't all that serious at that point anyways.

[Osseric]

Eloth, on 24 January 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Really?! You fucking twats think there are koreans in the game? My god your fucking grandparents must have been fucking while going bat shit crazy with the 1920s or something cause you all are second generation fucking retards. Of course their are no fucking koreans, why would the fuck would there be? Shin is trying to make a historically accurate game you fucking wankers. Moreover, did your top-notch analysis include the supposed team Merrid is on? Hmmm, what, can't hear you? Fucking brilliant. Amazing. Merrid is definitely Korean, because HE DIDN'T FUCKING MENTION A TEAM!!! Arse-wipes. What fucking use is signaling without having a fucking team mentioned. "Oh golly gee, I think I'll signal to the random fucking populace and see if I magically get nibbles from my fucking mates." I just fucking love the fucking geniuses I get to banter with...

I couldn't for the life of me understand where the whole Korean faction shit came from either. But I'm glad that someone figured out which language that Merrid was using. I was starting to feel like an idiot when I couldn't get google translate to work on the scribbles that merrid was using. What does it say anyway? I haven't gone to translate them yet.

[Merrid]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 January 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Thanks for linking all that information that's pretty useless. All of the things you linked are after are time period, I believe.

Isn't this one taking place months after the first game, which was 1490?

I don't know when this game is supposed to be taking place in relation to the first and the historical period. It doesn't really matter, though - my links show that the Takeda, Uesugi and Fujiwara clans were established powers in Sengoku Japan. Doesn't matter if it is Takeda Shingen leading the Takeda faction in this game or if it is his father (or grandfather?). Either way it proves those clans are Japanese clans with significance to Sengoku historically and not some random shipwrecked Korean pirates.

Planning my next game now...

My apologies, I thought you were intending to link people to information about the factions. Rather, you were just showing that they were in fact Japanese. I missed that at first.

Either way, my vote will stay where it is. It doesn't matter that you showed up, I wasn't suspicious of your absence in the first place. My vote on you is not based on any of your actions. I actually believe you when you say that it was just joking around, harder to translate, etc. I'm voting you based on the fact that Eloth picked up on your Korean post, and made one of his own. This seems like a pretty good case of signaling, and it isn't the typical weakly wrought case of signaling.

I believe that it is strongly likely that Eloth was signaling to you for some reason. I can see at least 1 person in a faction knowing his or her leader. This makes my vote on you justified in that I want to find out which faction you are, and if whoever brought this up in the first place nailed someone important.

I'm willing to switch to Eloth if that's what is required. I'd prefer Merrid as the lynch at the moment, though.

Fair enough.

Even if I was a faction leader, though, I don't really get why Eloth would feel the need to make such an obvious signal. I haven't tried to signal my faction leader yet, because of that risk of outing them. If you do manage the signal they know one of their underlings but that doesn't really change how they are going to play except that they probably won't start a case on you. There's no telling whether the leaders have kills so you might not even be stopping friendly fire against yourself in the NAs. And if a case does start on you, they will still vote you to distance.

Overall, I just don't find that the leader will act towards you all that differently and that is therefore worth it to try and signal them on day 1 in such obvious fashion when it makes a huge risk that you get your leader killed and essentially lose the game for your faction. This is why I don't put much faith in cases based on day 1 signaling in merc games.

[Merrid]

Osseric, on 24 January 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

Eloth, on 24 January 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Really?! You fucking twats think there are koreans in the game? My god your fucking grandparents must have been fucking while going bat shit crazy with the 1920s or something cause you all are second generation fucking retards. Of course their are no fucking koreans, why would the fuck would there be? Shin is trying to make a historically accurate game you fucking wankers. Moreover, did your top-notch analysis include the supposed team Merrid is on? Hmmm, what, can't hear you? Fucking brilliant. Amazing. Merrid is definitely Korean, because HE DIDN'T FUCKING MENTION A TEAM!!! Arse-wipes. What fucking use is signaling without having a fucking team mentioned. "Oh golly gee, I think I'll signal to the random fucking populace and see if I magically get nibbles from my fucking mates." I just fucking love the fucking geniuses I get to banter with...

I couldn't for the life of me understand where the whole Korean faction shit came from either. But I'm glad that someone figured out which language that Merrid was using. I was starting to feel like an idiot when I couldn't get google translate to work on the scribbles that merrid was using. What does it say anyway? I haven't gone to translate them yet.

The first one was "Je mange un baguette dans le bibliotheque" or something like that, which is french for "I eat a baguette in the library"

Second one was "Oh noes! Fener is here!"

[Omtose]

Merrid, on 24 January 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Omtose, on 24 January 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Reading throuh everything that has been said it certainly feels like there is something worth exploring here, not because of the initial 'joke' of posting in Korean by Merrid (who was correct when he pointed out that he was the first to post in another language, it was TS who after that posted in actual Japanese) but more due to the reaction it elicited out of Eloth.

It certainly makes me think Eloth knows something, about Merrid possibly or about someone else even that he is trying to deflect attention away. He takes his time to even come close to answering the questions put to him and only after a slew of childish, bizarre posts.

It feels like I could go in circles trying to figure out if he is distracting from Merrid (who has been rather quiet until a little more heat was put on him) or trying to make Merrid look like a more lynchable target in which case what else is he diverting from? Since there is no way that is a good long term strategy for saving himself, not if he is causing raised hackles.

If that was a way of distracting from Merrid it was extremely clumsy and over the top reactionary when one or two more reasoned responses would have probably had people looking elsewhere again.

I don't think it is a role that is making him behave in this manner, it would seem far too unfair and it feels more like someone just being an ass and panicking.

I was quiet? Well yeah, I was sleeping (and before I went to bed there was not really any heat me, nor it seemed anyone to talk to except Atrah who posted once every 30 min). But I digress, things weren't all that serious at that point anyways.

Right, it does make Eloth's whole post then outburst all the stranger, I get that the first few posts were jokes and maybe the Korean thing was not supposed to indicate anything at all and play into that but Eloth doing the same a few pages later and then going mental when people point it out and refusing to answer simple questions is, well, I can't decide if he slipped up in trying to signal to you, or if he is trying to make you look like an important player or if he is trying to distract from something else that has been done or said that made him nervous.

[Korvalain]

Here Catching up. Work is insane the next couple days, I will post as time permits.

[Osseric]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Hurry up please! I have to leave soon

Sorry Speed reading has never been a strong suit of mine.

I'm more or less caught up and I find that the people being looked at are being looked at because of signaling cases. I find that very funny.

[Osseric]

Shinrei, on 21 January 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

In the months that followed (Chapter 1), the death of Hojo Souen and the surrender of his household appeared to be just the boost to authority that the Ashikaga household needed to maintain control over the Eastern provinces. Just rewards were given for loyal service. Family members were adopted or taken as honored ‘guests’ into strategic households to shore up alliances and resolidify Ashikaga influence. As time passed however, appearances would prove to be deceiving. The rout of the Hojo was supposed to create a stepping stone for Ashikaga Masamoto to consolidate his leadership and influence. The death of what had been the wiliest fox in the East instead resulted in a vacuum of power for the region from Sagami to Kamakura and from Odawara to Izu . Clans from nearby provinces hovered like jackals, looking to push events in their favor and make any possible grab for land and increased income. Even previously strong vassals to the Shogun were looking more to their own houses, than to their loyalties.
The irony was, with Hojo in power the enemy of the shogun had been a somewhat known quantity. With that enemy removed, the Ashikaga find themselves with their perch atop Eastern Japan even more precarious than before, with wolves on all sides plotting to pull them down.

Welcome Fellow Samurai, to Sengoku (Warring States) Mafia Chapter 2 : Wolves of the East

General Thread Announcement in regards to Game Mechanics
This is a faction game with players divided onto teams. Teams will be referred to as “clans”. All clans start evenly in terms of numbers. All players will have a unique name, and will also be provided with the name of their clan.
There is a system of wounding in place for this game. Some actions present can kill and/or wound. A player wounded 3 times is dead.

All actions performed are subject to appearing in scenes in some manner. There is a system of “Open Alliance” in effect between clans, and those alliances as they happen will be announced on the game thread for all to see.

I am not following D’rek’s RO3K fashion of giving people roles held previously. I don’t want alt-guessing to be a factor in games, which is why I am doing this. There are some roles present from Chapter 1, but they are being rewarded to players by “luck of the draw”.

Brief Explanation of Names
The Shogun rules Japan. He is of House Ashikaga. Ashikaga Masamoto, in the scene above, is the current kamakura kubo and was one of the main roles in Chapter 1. Kamakura kubo means he is the Shogun’s minister in charge of the area in which this Chapter takes place.

Okay this is for you people out there that keep speculating regarding the team breakdowns. I will refrain from mentioning anything regarding their inteligence but that should be obvious due to the fact that I have to quote the OP for them.