[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

I've noticed an increase in players insulting each other lately, as first pointed out by GL. Opposite of GL, though, I don't see the problem in it. It's a game, insults and shouting are a tactic. No one truly means it, and I doubt there are ever hard feelings.

When a game goes to the wire and tensions rise, it is perfectly understandable for frustration to be vocalized. Day 1 on what amounts essentially to a side-issue, meh, I prefer cool heads. There are other ways to nag and prod players into a telling reaction. But YMMV.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I'm not entirely against voting Merrid. But since the flare came from Eloth 's action, i'd rather go for him.
His reaction was quite telling, although Merrid disappearance act also was, in the opposite way.

[Merrid]

Just FYI, mostly for Tulas and Eloth - post in foreign languages, write entire paragraphs in tiny font, make giant posts of RP, whatever but don't expect me or anyone else to actually read any of it.

On that note, I've been glossing past all the illegible things pretty quickly and never caught that Eloth mimicked me with Korean. I can't think of any good reason why except to fake signal me, which is pretty easy in a merc game: gives everyone an excuse to vote me and everyone will say "well, probably not on my team" and do it. But why Eloth would do that, I have no idea - it's still day 1 so Eloth couldn't have done a find... what guarantees does Eloth have that he didn't just blatantly fake-symp his own teammate? It's weird.

For the record, when I posted in Korean TS hadn't even started posting in Japanese yet, let alone gone so overboard with it, so it was still a little funny at the time (also note it was page 1).

[Merrid]

Galayn Lord, on 24 January 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

Eloth, on 24 January 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Really?! You fucking twats think there are koreans in the game? My god your fucking grandparents must have been fucking while going bat shit crazy with the 1920s or something cause you all are second generation fucking retards. Of course their are no fucking koreans, why would the fuck would there be? Shin is trying to make a historically accurate game you fucking wankers. Moreover, did your top-notch analysis include the supposed team Merrid is on? Hmmm, what, can't hear you? Fucking brilliant. Amazing. Merrid is definitely Korean, because HE DIDN'T FUCKING MENTION A TEAM!!! Arse-wipes. What fucking use is signaling without having a fucking team mentioned. "Oh golly gee, I think I'll signal to the random fucking populace and see if I magically get nibbles from my fucking mates." I just fucking love the fucking geniuses I get to banter with...

Pro-tip: if you're someone out to insult the intelligence of your co-players, make sure you use correct spelling and avoid basic mistakes like typing 'their' instead of 'there'.

Frankly, with the amount of new players in this game, I am less than impressed with the need people feel to throw words like moron, retard, wanker, idiot, arse-wipe et cetera into posts on minor issues. We're not being real ambassadors of the game and our rather tolerant and nice little community here.



That pedantic remark aside, I'll second Shelly's question: "why use the Korean google translate for your earlier contribution to the thread?"
because it is a good question.

As for not mentioning a team: suppose we have a faction structure where each player knows one other of their faction, and this may not be mutual knowledge, signalling you are on someone's side without mentioning a team is perfectly clear. As such, the initial use of Korean was weird and may be fishing for a reply in a kind. It may also be not. However, replying in the same way could be signalling "I am on your team."
Mind, I am of the opinion that this too is too overt to be credible. If anything, it may be fake symping. However, it does raise two questions.

1) why was there a post in Korean to begin with?
2) why was there another post in Korean?

(red bold mine)

answering the red-bold question: Page 1 shenanigans

[Merrid]

Eloth, on 24 January 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

The only vote fener question I see vote fener is why did i vote fener choose to speak in korean vote fener especially vote fener when Merrid already did. Vote fener if i didn't vote fener get the point across vote fener then i would say vote fener again to read straight through vote fener my posts and see the vote fener theme. Plus vote fener geographically, isn't Korea just vote fener next to Japan? i vote fener would think that would be reason vote fener enough to use it, but really vote fener it isn't much more than vote fener using a non-Japanese language vote fener to teasingly vote fener apologize for making mistakes vote fener while simultaneously vote fener making more.

^^another example of stupid posting I'm not going to bother reading.

Eloth, this is not town v scum where being stupid makes you look inno. You are just making a giant target and distraction of yourself that players will be more than happy to take the small risk that you are on their team and lynch you. Since your faction losing a member barely benefits it at all under any circumstances (unlike a town which you could say gets some half-decent info from the lynch), then you are doing nothing but ruining your team's chances. '

Also it's really annoying.

[Kessobahn]

Kind of reminds me of the old Mission Impossible where the gov't disavows all knowledge of the agent's existence




Edit:smiley

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 24 January 2012 - 03:12 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

I take back my comment about Merrid's disappearance

[Merrid]

Just about done reading up. There are a LOT of people going "But why did Merrid talk Korean in the first place?" Let me just clearly re-iterate that it was page 1 shenanigans which I didn't continue past my 5th post. Should be pretty obvious.

And since there seems to be people actually giving serious consideration to the posibility of koreans being in the game...

1} There won't be any Koreans in this game and probably any in any of Shin's Sengoku games. They really don't have any role in any of the Sengoku period.

2} This game is taking place in Eastern Japan, ie on the side farthest away from Korea

3} The four clans listed in PS' alliance post were:

The Fujiwari of Odawara - definitely Japanese, see Northern Fujiawara Clan
the Takeda of Kai - definitely Japanese, see Takeda Shingen
The Ashikaga of Kyoto - the Shogun clan from the last game, Koreans definitely don't rule Japan
the Uesugi of Echigo - definitely Japanese (though Kenshin was a Buddhist), see Uesugi Kenshin

[Shadow]

Thanks for linking all that information that's pretty useless. All of the things you linked are after are time period, I believe.

Isn't this one taking place months after the first game, which was 1490?

[Sheltatha Lore]

"shenanigans" don't fully convince me.
Ok, page 1, post 5, you decided do post in translated for fun. But again, why didn't you set google translate to Japanese?
And it also doesn't explain why Eloth does the same a while afer. Its not the Korean we're about, it' s the connection.

[Path-Shaper]

Bad News

Bedtime for your friendly mod.

Good News

I will be awake again around about timeout, so I will be able to resolve in relatively timely fashion.

[Okaros]

Galayn Lord, on 24 January 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 January 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Shin wouldn't introduce a role that effectively ruined the game for a single player.

well, if he was a Jester...
That was one of the dilemma's. Another would be uneven faction roles in a game that looks very much set for mirrored factions.
I even went so far as to look up if any Ashikaga, Uesugi, Takeda or Fujiwara talked with a lisp or was slightly mad so I could attribute it to historical accuracy.

No no no no no. You can't attribute it to anything. What you are saying is that Shin would add a role which effectively ruined the game for whichever player had the bad luck of the draw. That doesn't happen outside of the occasional insane/funny games some people like to run. This entire path of speculation is pure nonsense that only provides value as a defence of Eloth.

It doesn't matter that some random Japanese man had a lisp. It doesn't matter what someone said in the sign up thread. No one will have been given a role which sabotages their ability to participate in thread.


As for Merrid, his explanation seems fairly reasonable, and if it hadn't been for Eloth's follow up it would not have garnered any sort of attention simply because the chance of there being a Korean faction, as pointed out by several, is rather minor.

However, it's not unlikely that Eloth used Merrid's korean post as an attempt at signaling.

[Merrid]

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

"shenanigans" don't fully convince me.
Ok, page 1, post 5, you decided do post in translated for fun. But again, why didn't you set google translate to Japanese?
And it also doesn't explain why Eloth does the same a while afer. Its not the Korean we're about, it' s the connection.

Well, I went with Korea because it would make it more annoying to people translating as they'd by default pick Japanese in a Shin Sengoku game, right? We always do cross-culture joking in these games (ie Geishas in RotK).

But I don't disagree with you, it's not about what the thing is, it is about the connection. But I can't help you there as I have no clue as to why Eloth went and mimicked me much later.

[Merrid]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Thanks for linking all that information that's pretty useless. All of the things you linked are after are time period, I believe.

Isn't this one taking place months after the first game, which was 1490?

I don't know when this game is supposed to be taking place in relation to the first and the historical period. It doesn't really matter, though - my links show that the Takeda, Uesugi and Fujiwara clans were established powers in Sengoku Japan. Doesn't matter if it is Takeda Shingen leading the Takeda faction in this game or if it is his father (or grandfather?). Either way it proves those clans are Japanese clans with significance to Sengoku historically and not some random shipwrecked Korean pirates.

[Kessobahn]

Merrid, on 24 January 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

"shenanigans" don't fully convince me.
Ok, page 1, post 5, you decided do post in translated for fun. But again, why didn't you set google translate to Japanese?
And it also doesn't explain why Eloth does the same a while afer. Its not the Korean we're about, it' s the connection.

Well, I went with Korea because it would make it more annoying to people translating as they'd by default pick Japanese in a Shin Sengoku game, right? We always do cross-culture joking in these games (ie Geishas in RotK).

But I don't disagree with you, it's not about what the thing is, it is about the connection. But I can't help you there as I have no clue as to why Eloth went and mimicked me much later.

Bolded part rings false with me, sorry

[Merrid]

Kessobahn, on 24 January 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 January 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 24 January 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

"shenanigans" don't fully convince me.
Ok, page 1, post 5, you decided do post in translated for fun. But again, why didn't you set google translate to Japanese?
And it also doesn't explain why Eloth does the same a while afer. Its not the Korean we're about, it' s the connection.

Well, I went with Korea because it would make it more annoying to people translating as they'd by default pick Japanese in a Shin Sengoku game, right? We always do cross-culture joking in these games (ie Geishas in RotK).

But I don't disagree with you, it's not about what the thing is, it is about the connection. But I can't help you there as I have no clue as to why Eloth went and mimicked me much later.

Bolded part rings false with me, sorry

Of course it rings false with YOU. When was the last time YOU did something silly on a mafia day 1 just for the fun of it?

[Shadow]

Merrid, on 24 January 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Thanks for linking all that information that's pretty useless. All of the things you linked are after are time period, I believe.

Isn't this one taking place months after the first game, which was 1490?

I don't know when this game is supposed to be taking place in relation to the first and the historical period. It doesn't really matter, though - my links show that the Takeda, Uesugi and Fujiwara clans were established powers in Sengoku Japan. Doesn't matter if it is Takeda Shingen leading the Takeda faction in this game or if it is his father (or grandfather?). Either way it proves those clans are Japanese clans with significance to Sengoku historically and not some random shipwrecked Korean pirates.

Planning my next game now...

My apologies, I thought you were intending to link people to information about the factions. Rather, you were just showing that they were in fact Japanese. I missed that at first.

Either way, my vote will stay where it is. It doesn't matter that you showed up, I wasn't suspicious of your absence in the first place. My vote on you is not based on any of your actions. I actually believe you when you say that it was just joking around, harder to translate, etc. I'm voting you based on the fact that Eloth picked up on your Korean post, and made one of his own. This seems like a pretty good case of signaling, and it isn't the typical weakly wrought case of signaling.

I believe that it is strongly likely that Eloth was signaling to you for some reason. I can see at least 1 person in a faction knowing his or her leader. This makes my vote on you justified in that I want to find out which faction you are, and if whoever brought this up in the first place nailed someone important.

I'm willing to switch to Eloth if that's what is required. I'd prefer Merrid as the lynch at the moment, though.

[Shadow]

So I have a bit to hang around here. Unless I missed it, has anyone actually discussed this and the implications?

Path-Shaper, on 23 January 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

War was inevitable and sides were starting to be drawn. Old enemies gritted their teeth and agreed to fight alongside each other, at least for now. Others snubbed offers of treaty as premature, or as disadvantageous . It was becoming more obvious, with skirmishes between armed troops already begun, that old slights could be put aside for a perceived gain.

The Fujiwari of Odawara and the Takeda of Kai have openly allied.
The Ashikaga of Kyoto and the Uesugi of Echigo have openly allied.

So if there are 4 clans present, it comes down to a 10v10 game right now. I would assume an open alliance creates victory conditions to eliminate the opposing factions while keeping your allies around. I can't help but feel these alliances might be only temporary. I'm concerned as to how worried I should be to lynch one of my allies. If this is truly a permanent attachment, a lynch like the one currently happening actually has a 50% chance (again, assuming there are 4 factions) of being in my "faction".

This doesn't seem right to me. I feel that the alliances might only be temporary. Any thoughts here?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Well, if its 10 vs 10 right now, then today's lynch decides the game.
I have no idea what these alliances mean. Were they in the first game?

[Kessobahn]

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

So I have a bit to hang around here. Unless I missed it, has anyone actually discussed this and the implications?

Path-Shaper, on 23 January 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

War was inevitable and sides were starting to be drawn. Old enemies gritted their teeth and agreed to fight alongside each other, at least for now. Others snubbed offers of treaty as premature, or as disadvantageous . It was becoming more obvious, with skirmishes between armed troops already begun, that old slights could be put aside for a perceived gain.

The Fujiwari of Odawara and the Takeda of Kai have openly allied.
The Ashikaga of Kyoto and the Uesugi of Echigo have openly allied.

So if there are 4 clans present, it comes down to a 10v10 game right now. I would assume an open alliance creates victory conditions to eliminate the opposing factions while keeping your allies around. I can't help but feel these alliances might be only temporary. I'm concerned as to how worried I should be to lynch one of my allies. If this is truly a permanent attachment, a lynch like the one currently happening actually has a 50% chance (again, assuming there are 4 factions) of being in my "faction".

This doesn't seem right to me. I feel that the alliances might only be temporary. Any thoughts here?

I think the alliances could be more interesting if they are temporary & shifting. To make you more nervous, what if lynching an ally breaks the alliance? Then your whole team will be mad at you in SH.