[Liosan]

I have guesses as to who is on my team but cant be sure. Atarahal, youve changed tact and are now " stirring shit up. What makes you comfortable enough to do this?

[Liosan]

Atrahal stopped laying low, and then joins a train with ts.
Ts has been a target since day one and is even now desperate to start a train on anyone but himself. Suspicious. As that is all i have seen today so far,
Vote tulas shorn

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 Hours and 48 minutes are left.

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 Votes to Lynch. 8 to go to night.

2 Votes Tulas Shorn: Karatallid, Liosan
3 Votes Liosan: Atrahal, Tulas Shorn, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Protp: I don't know anyone on my team, so as far as I can see, everyone is fair game.

Hence, I guess, your absolute lack of voting since the middle of day 1

[Sorrit]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Protp: I don't know anyone on my team, so as far as I can see, everyone is fair game.

Hence, I guess, your absolute lack of voting since the middle of day 1

Actually, got some harsh words from 'hammering' Silanah yesterday, even though my vote didn't count.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Ah, sorry.

Still, Liosan is not fair game to you?

[Sorrit]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Ah, sorry.

Still, Liosan is not fair game to you?

Sure he is. But talking about the same people over and over again and then not doing anything about it is dumb. Letting people skate by without being looked at while a couple loud voices point out the 'lynch candidates' each day is dumb. Being a sheep and trusting cases and not looking at people trying to avoid all notice is dumb.

I'm dumb all to often, and try to avoid it whenever possible.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Wrong, there's nothing wrong about what you "rebel" against.

Assuming equal setup and teams, at the beginning of the game there's 16 players that are in your interest to lynch. For each of them, there's 12 other players that would be happy to lynch them too.

Anyways, not preaching or teaching, just explaining why what you are doing is "defending" Liosan. If you didn't know it was against your interest to lynch him, you would go with the flow, even if you don't agree with the reasoning. Refer to my earlier post for my motivation for my vote.

edit: actually, for each of them there are other 15 players who would be happy to lynch them too, I forgot about your own team.

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 27 January 2012 - 12:19 PM

[Sorrit]

And yet, I never said we shouldn't lynch Liosan. Nor did I argue against Silanah's lynch. I disagreed with portions of the cases and the pressure that GL was pushing to get Liosan lynched.

Remember that he had already targetted me as a 'low poster', a habit which Tulas has picked up as well. Going with the flow would not work for me because there is no one protecting me, as there is some other people.

[Olar Ethil]

interesting stuff guys. i for one am happy that other names are being brought up, instead of re-hashing what we went over yesterday. while i have time im planning to do a full read through. thoughts coming up.

[Omtose]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Well, not sure where to go now.

If we want a Culture hunt, we could go for Tulas Shorn. Merrid I'm not so certain anymore, since in the pair Eloth was the signal-er, and if he was a leader that makes no sense.

Tulas, on the other hand, came and tried to convince us that we were just bad boys picking on the guy for RPing, so that we would hang our heads in shame and not lynch him. And he finished the day without voting him, so I conclude he knew very well who Eloth was.

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 January 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Culture hunt anyone?

1. Silanah
2. Liosan
3. Tulas Shorn

Those are the people that are likely to be Uesugi.

I agree with Tulas Shorn, for reasons I explained above.

Silanah, I guess based on her strange reaction at the lynch, but then again if my leader just got lynched, I would shut the hell up instead of going righteous on our asses. She sounded more pissed at the concept of lynching in general, and with the "Red five" comment from before, maybe she's a leader. But Liosan, I don't see?

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Anyways.

vote Tulas Shorn


Sheltatha Lore, Culture hunting since 2007

Olar Ethil, on 25 January 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

ok, that was a lot to work through. lots of guesses, lots of suspects, lots of votes

first, Korvalain's suspicions on myself. when i voted for Merrid it was all still fairly even. both were getting equal suspicion, and i felt that Merrid would be a better lynch cause it looked like he was lying low while Eloth was calling attention to himself. Merrid came on and defended himself, and that pretty much allayed my suspicions, but by the time i came back on (i was asleep... stupid timezone) the lynch had already gone down, and it would have been pointless, not to mention SUPER suspicious, if i had changed my vote after the fact.

now for the rest:
the vote for GL i feel was more Liosan trying to get information out of GL. which is interesting, and GL may have a point when he says Liosan could be reacting to what he already knows.
Sheltatha is still pushing the Tulas Shorn case. ive already said what i think about this case but i do find it odd that Sheltatha is still pushing it when everyone else is looking elsewhere.
Silanah seems to be gaining votes based on a connection with Eloth. from her reaction to the lynch, this is what im leaning towards too.
Liosan is coming under fire from GL. this is another interesting move, and ill be watching Liosan closely to see how he reacts.

at this point im not going to put a vote down, its too early in the day and im worried a lynch train will build without all the suspects being looked at carefully. i will be around for most of the rest of the day though, so i can drop a vote if needed.

Okaros, on 27 January 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

... Okaros talks about other things...

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

That game gets a bit confusing per me every day.
Am I the only one who reads Sorrit's posts like additional OPs?

After reasoning like Gaylord about the way leaders would act based on the information leaders know, which are not explained, now he telling us that he somehow concluded from all this that leaders know their seconds.

I didn't know there were seconds, and I'm getting confused exactly who it is that I know.

I have no issue voting Liosan. He's not the one I know, and he's being defended by Sorrit who I don't know either. In a four-man team, if he's with me that's serious bad luck.

vote Liosan

Why have you been so focused on Liosan? first it was him being Uesugi even though he was the second vote on the Uesugi leader and now he caused the death of GL by proxy? Did your action on him fail, is that what this is?

Still, it's interesting that everything points to Liosan being the easy lynch, and yet the train refuses to gather the momentum it needs.

I remember picking up on this yesterday when reading through, to say SL has been fixated on Liosan is somewhat wrong considering that she has been called out on going after TS since almost the very beginning of day 2. I found it interesting when re-reading as Olar seemed to take exception to both the case and the fact that SL still seemed adamant about it and thought there could be a possible Olar/TS link there.

[Omtose]

Today i'm leaning towards Liosan or TS. I've felt suspicious towards Liosan for quite a while and his play seems to be erratic to say the least, I had thought he might have more of a leader role though I'm not as sure of that anymore.

Tulas does seem to garner attention every so often and it is often diverted from him in some way, he has the feel of a leader about him and there are quite a few people that don't seem to want to vote him or scrutinise him too closely.

[Shadow]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Wrong, there's nothing wrong about what you "rebel" against.

Assuming equal setup and teams, at the beginning of the game there's 16 players that are in your interest to lynch. For each of them, there's 12 other players that would be happy to lynch them too.

Anyways, not preaching or teaching, just explaining why what you are doing is "defending" Liosan. If you didn't know it was against your interest to lynch him, you would go with the flow, even if you don't agree with the reasoning. Refer to my earlier post for my motivation for my vote.

edit: actually, for each of them there are other 15 players who would be happy to lynch them too, I forgot about your own team.

I haven't seen any defending of Liosan from Sorrit. It could be called deflecting, or it could just be making another case because he doesn't want to blindly follow the herd.

I don't neccesarily agree with him. As of right now, I am suspicious of both TS and Liosan. But TS has given me the feeling that he's not on my team, while Liosan could be.

Vote Tulas Shorn

For now, and I'll decide to switch or not as the deadline approaches.

[Tulas Shorn]

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

And yet, I never said we shouldn't lynch Liosan. Nor did I argue against Silanah's lynch. I disagreed with portions of the cases and the pressure that GL was pushing to get Liosan lynched.

Remember that he had already targetted me as a 'low poster', a habit which Tulas has picked up as well. Going with the flow would not work for me because there is no one protecting me, as there is some other people.

I didn't pick up on it. I actually was the first one to call you out as a low poster. Then GL picked up it. Just saying.

[Tulas Shorn]

Liosan, on 27 January 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Atrahal stopped laying low, and then joins a train with ts.
Ts has been a target since day one and is even now desperate to start a train on anyone but himself. Suspicious. As that is all i have seen today so far,
Vote tulas shorn

One of us is most definitely desperate trying to get a train started on anyone else. It wasn't like you weren't mister jump voter yesterday trying to find a easy target, and then today you kind of need another target. It is good to see that your team is backing you up. Nice of them to step forward and make it easy to culture hunt them later.

[Tulas Shorn]

Karatallid, on 27 January 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 January 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 January 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Why would GL put himself out there so much trying to get Liosan killed if he was a leader who could be night killed? Think about it, he must have knew he was drawing attention to himself being ballsy the way he was, Fener accused him of being too smart or something along those lines, meaning he was a threat. I think GL was targeted by a NK due to the fact that he was giving so Lio so much heat and one of Lio's general's took out GL, just a theory. Looking at the other death "merrid" it looks as though Eloth's second in command targeted Merrid as well as one of the Muira/Muiri? We can also look at whoever else was putting pressure on Lio following GL's lead. I'm unsure on who i'd go for right now though because I don't know who is on my team. I'm looking for clues just as the rest of us. I would probably go for a TS/Lio lynch based on them being linked to Eloth and accused by GL. However, I would also abstain from a lynch to prove I wasn't the double voter but that would only work if a double voter got on the train or stayed away and it wouldn't prove a thing. That being said for now I am going to

Vote Tulas Shorn

The reason I have picked him is because he has a link to Eloth AND has quieted down a lot since the day one shennanigans.

Tulas Shorn 70
Galayn Lord 69
Atrahal 54
Liosan 42
Path-Shaper 42
Fener 40
Sheltatha Lore 39
Kessobahn 37
Merrid 35
Osseric 35
Okaros 34
Korvalain 33
Karatallid 32


I am not really sure what you consider quieted down. Is it that I don't post during the same time periods as you. So you think that I am not posting as much as I did on day one. Or is it something else. I like how you imply that lio is a leader then turn around and vote for me because of a supposedly weak connection to Eloth and that I am not posting as much. When in fact I am posting just as much as I have been all game I am just posting it at times when you happen to not be here. Which is telling me that you don't read back over the thread.

Most of your posts came in day one spam, and interactions but since then you have quieted down, how can you say that we are in different timezones when we interacted a few times on day one? I know you are the highest poster but you have also changed the way you are playing since being called out by people.

I was on a slightly different schedule monday and today. Your right my playing style has changed since day 1. I am not talking in Japanese anymore. If that is what you have a problem with I will be happy to restart.

[Path-Shaper]

Here's the deal on the weekend.

I'm going to bed in just a little bit here. When I wake up, I'll sort the lynch/no lynch situation. If all actions are settled, I'll try and do night as well. Then the weekend break will begin. Thread will be open, no timer.

I'm proctoring an exam early tomorrow morning, so due to limited time I may not be able to add in scenes along with the CFs until sometime later Saturday or Sunday.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 5 Hours and 48 minutes are left.

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 Votes to Lynch. 8 to go to night.

3 Votes Tulas Shorn: Karatallid, Liosan, Shadow
3 Votes Liosan: Atrahal, Tulas Shorn, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sorrit, Tiamatha

[Olar Ethil]

damn. my planned re-read never happened, as work got busy. will try to do a proper re read later, but for now my thoughts. I find it frustrating that we keep returning to the same people. Liosan. TS. what i was hoping for was some suspicion about ANYONE else. even fingers being pointed at me are ok, because it means people are thinking outside of the ones we are stuck on.

that being said, my suspicion of Tulas Shorn is starting to grow. people have been pointing to him from day one, and nothing substantial has stuck. I defended him previously the basis that i didn't believe he was defending Eloth. but now, looking at his last few posts it feels like he is being deliberately obtuse with regards to his posting style. combine this with his fascination for the game mechanics, and it looks like he is posting a lot without really saying anything.

for now i will vote Tulas Shorn.

but i will be around for the next few hours if anything changes.

[Fener]

Hey all, I'm back for a quick gander at things. As I'm not sure when I'll be able to make it back again, I'll lay down my vote now.

I'm going to be consistent with what I did the previous day, so

Vote Liosan

I don't think he is a leader, because I feel that he was trying to draw some attention away from Eloth, who was a leader. But then this isn't just about hunting leaders - anyone not in your faction gone is a triumph. The one thing that worries me is that Liosan did indeed vote for Eloth, quite early. Hmmm. Ok, so I don't really know what Liosan could be, but my gut says he's not in my faction. And, as I said, I'll be consistent with what I did the previous day.

However, if I do make it back on in time, and there's need for a vote to lynch Tulas rather than Liosan, I don't mind swinging over to that side, because the odds say he's more likely to not be in my faction than in it (but since when did odds ever help anyone in mafia )


I also can't help suspecting that those who are crying out for people to look elsewhere (Sorrit, Olar Ethil) other than just at Tulas or Liosan are doing so because they know one or the other.