[Korlat]

I'm here, sorry I haven't been around much, things are incredibly hectic at the moment. Reading up now while I've got a moment.

[Tulas Shorn]

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 January 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Quickly as I am off. This is the first time that I have brought up recruiting.

Liar Liar, Dragon Pants on Fire.

Tulas Shorn, on 26 January 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

This I totally agree with. It sounds very much like a recruiting mechanism. I believe someone else brought up secret alliances.

Well I be, I guess it must be easy for you to remember everything you said when you only have 12 posts. I wouldn't know. I am actually playing the game. You should try it sometime. It involves actually posting more then a snippet and running off.
I happen to think that there is recruiting going on. I think the real question should be when faced with the evidence of PS scenes why don't you.

[Tulas Shorn]

Atrahal, on 27 January 2012 - 04:48 AM, said:

K, i'm back. terrified to find Tulas repeating my every word, but nonetheless, I still think Liosan's a good lynch.

You think your terrified.


But I am off again. Since I don't know how much time is left in the day. I could vote for either liosan or Sorrit.


Vote Liosan

[Olar Ethil]

right, im back for a minute and then i have to leave again. should be able to devote time to a proper re read later on, but for now what jumps out at me is Tulas Shorn insisting on discussing game mechanics. it feels like we have been having these discussions all game, and they arent going anywhere, just distracting from the other discussions. especially as TS has been fingered as suspicious several times and nothing has come of it.



edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 27 January 2012 - 05:21 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 Hours and 44 minutes are left.

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 Votes to Lynch. 8 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Karatallid
2 Votes Liosan: Atrahal, Tulas Shorn

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha

[Sheltatha Lore]

That game gets a bit confusing per me every day.
Am I the only one who reads Sorrit's posts like additional OPs?

After reasoning like Gaylord about the way leaders would act based on the information leaders know, which are not explained, now he telling us that he somehow concluded from all this that leaders know their seconds.

I didn't know there were seconds, and I'm getting confused exactly who it is that I know.

I have no issue voting Liosan. He's not the one I know, and he's being defended by Sorrit who I don't know either. In a four-man team, if he's with me that's serious bad luck.

vote Liosan

[Sheltatha Lore]

oopsie, I'm naked.

I'm so damned fed up of always having to re-log in my game alts, I miss the tickboxes sometimes.

brb



edit: Ninja mode activated!

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 27 January 2012 - 06:27 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 Hours and 8 minutes are left.

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 Votes to Lynch. 8 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Karatallid
3 Votes Liosan: Atrahal, Tulas Shorn, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Sorrit, Tiamatha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 January 2012 - 06:29 AM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Yesterday we were already ahead in pushing on Liosan, and Atrahal comes out and leads a change on Silanah, who gets lynched.

And now today he's back charging Liosan.

Any reason, Atrahal? Why did you have this need to get Silanah lynched yesterday?

[Karatallid]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 January 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 January 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Why would GL put himself out there so much trying to get Liosan killed if he was a leader who could be night killed? Think about it, he must have knew he was drawing attention to himself being ballsy the way he was, Fener accused him of being too smart or something along those lines, meaning he was a threat. I think GL was targeted by a NK due to the fact that he was giving so Lio so much heat and one of Lio's general's took out GL, just a theory. Looking at the other death "merrid" it looks as though Eloth's second in command targeted Merrid as well as one of the Muira/Muiri? We can also look at whoever else was putting pressure on Lio following GL's lead. I'm unsure on who i'd go for right now though because I don't know who is on my team. I'm looking for clues just as the rest of us. I would probably go for a TS/Lio lynch based on them being linked to Eloth and accused by GL. However, I would also abstain from a lynch to prove I wasn't the double voter but that would only work if a double voter got on the train or stayed away and it wouldn't prove a thing. That being said for now I am going to

Vote Tulas Shorn

The reason I have picked him is because he has a link to Eloth AND has quieted down a lot since the day one shennanigans.

Tulas Shorn 70
Galayn Lord 69
Atrahal 54
Liosan 42
Path-Shaper 42
Fener 40
Sheltatha Lore 39
Kessobahn 37
Merrid 35
Osseric 35
Okaros 34
Korvalain 33
Karatallid 32


I am not really sure what you consider quieted down. Is it that I don't post during the same time periods as you. So you think that I am not posting as much as I did on day one. Or is it something else. I like how you imply that lio is a leader then turn around and vote for me because of a supposedly weak connection to Eloth and that I am not posting as much. When in fact I am posting just as much as I have been all game I am just posting it at times when you happen to not be here. Which is telling me that you don't read back over the thread.

Most of your posts came in day one spam, and interactions but since then you have quieted down, how can you say that we are in different timezones when we interacted a few times on day one? I know you are the highest poster but you have also changed the way you are playing since being called out by people.

[Karatallid]

Back in an hour or so

[Karatallid]

Just having a think about things and I am more than happy with my vote on Tulas. Also the other two voting for Lio. All three of them think he is a leader yet my thoughts were that he was on Eloth's team. Now two leaders are gone already leaving three leaders alive. That means there are nine people who would think voting off a leader would not be the right choice at the moment (unless of course they know he isn't their leader). How do you know Lio isn't your leader? AND what faction do you think Lio is a leader of? I think one of either Tulas or Lio is linked to Eloth and that is why I am voting for Tulas, I have no problem switching to Lio on the basis that I think he could also be connected to Eloth.

I haven't had the best of time to look through the whole thread since day one, just glances really. So i'll leave my vote where it is for now. I'd like to hear more from Lio and Tulas and see what they have to say for themselves

[Okaros]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 January 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 January 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Quickly as I am off. This is the first time that I have brought up recruiting.

Liar Liar, Dragon Pants on Fire.

Tulas Shorn, on 26 January 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

This I totally agree with. It sounds very much like a recruiting mechanism. I believe someone else brought up secret alliances.

Well I be, I guess it must be easy for you to remember everything you said when you only have 12 posts. I wouldn't know. I am actually playing the game. You should try it sometime. It involves actually posting more then a snippet and running off.
I happen to think that there is recruiting going on. I think the real question should be when faced with the evidence of PS scenes why don't you.

Let's calm down the name calling eh? Some of us have most of our activity centered during times when no one else seems to be online. Additionally, I'd say he's got a good point. Continous discussion of mechanics is a time honoured way to participate without going the risk of actually pressuring anyone in particular. Now you might say that you've gone for Sorrit some but then he, together with Liosan, are the two safest targets today. Attacking them is simply going with the flow, which btw does not mean that they're not what people claim they are.

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

That game gets a bit confusing per me every day.
Am I the only one who reads Sorrit's posts like additional OPs?

After reasoning like Gaylord about the way leaders would act based on the information leaders know, which are not explained, now he telling us that he somehow concluded from all this that leaders know their seconds.

I didn't know there were seconds, and I'm getting confused exactly who it is that I know.

I have no issue voting Liosan. He's not the one I know, and he's being defended by Sorrit who I don't know either. In a four-man team, if he's with me that's serious bad luck.

vote Liosan

Why have you been so focused on Liosan? first it was him being Uesugi even though he was the second vote on the Uesugi leader and now he caused the death of GL by proxy? Did your action on him fail, is that what this is?

Still, it's interesting that everything points to Liosan being the easy lynch, and yet the train refuses to gather the momentum it needs.

[Atrahal]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

Yesterday we were already ahead in pushing on Liosan, and Atrahal comes out and leads a change on Silanah, who gets lynched.

And now today he's back charging Liosan.

Any reason, Atrahal? Why did you have this need to get Silanah lynched yesterday?

dunno why you think I'm "leading the charge". I'm simply consistent. I pick one target for the day, and stick with them, if I can.

[Okaros]

Atrahal, on 27 January 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

Yesterday we were already ahead in pushing on Liosan, and Atrahal comes out and leads a change on Silanah, who gets lynched.

And now today he's back charging Liosan.

Any reason, Atrahal? Why did you have this need to get Silanah lynched yesterday?

dunno why you think I'm "leading the charge". I'm simply consistent. I pick one target for the day, and stick with them, if I can.

It's not like those two exclude each other in any way.

[Sorrit]

Korlat, on 27 January 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

I'm here, sorry I haven't been around much, things are incredibly hectic at the moment. Reading up now while I've got a moment.

Kind anything interesting?

Edit -> That should say 'Find anything interesting'

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 27 January 2012 - 09:44 AM

[Sorrit]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

That game gets a bit confusing per me every day.
Am I the only one who reads Sorrit's posts like additional OPs?

After reasoning like Gaylord about the way leaders would act based on the information leaders know, which are not explained, now he telling us that he somehow concluded from all this that leaders know their seconds.

I didn't know there were seconds, and I'm getting confused exactly who it is that I know.

I have no issue voting Liosan. He's not the one I know, and he's being defended by Sorrit who I don't know either. In a four-man team, if he's with me that's serious bad luck.

Huh? What do you mean 'additional OPs'? Original Posts? Other Posters? Operation Pale-As-Snow?

I didn't know there were seconds either, but CF on Galayn Lord seem to indicate that he was a leader. Unless I'm confused (which is quite possible), GL speculated that the leaders only knew someone in the middle and that middle person apparently knew their minion(s). Here is the quote:

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

But if there is a faction structure with a middle role, like in dibses Seguleh game, the middle role may know all as connection between head and helper.

GL turned out to be a leader if my read on the scene was correct (and everyone elses, I think?), which means this is very possibly/probably signaling to his 'second' that he does not know who the underlings are. I was also making mock of people saying I'm defending Liosan just because I did not agree with GL. I don't agree with a lot of people, but that does not mean I am defending whoever they might be targeting at the time. GL was defending Atrahal just as much as I am 'defending' Liosan, by refusing to agree with what I posted about him.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

I was also making mock of people saying I'm defending Liosan just because I did not agree with GL. I don't agree with a lot of people, but that does not mean I am defending whoever they might be targeting at the time. GL was defending Atrahal just as much as I am 'defending' Liosan, by refusing to agree with what I posted about him.

There was a day where Silanah and Liosan were under heat. You decided to attack Atrahal.

There's no such things as scum in this game, so you did this because either

1) You knew Silanah or Liosan were on your team
2) You knew Atrahal is not on your team.

Atrahal was a bit lame until that part in the thread. His only actions I could find was voting Tulas on day 1, and voting Silanah on day 2. So the only way you could have know it was safe to attack Atrahal (barring an hypothetical finder role) would be that Silanah or Tulas is your leader.

Now, we know Silanah was not. Tulas we don't know.

But, if that was the reason, then the move towards Silanah/Liosan instead of Tulas should have satisfied you and you wouldn't need to stick your neck out at that time.

Ergo, for me the reason is 1) and not 2). I don't think you would have done so much for Silanah. So you did it for Liosan.

I'm not Culture hunting anymore, I'm anyone-but-my-team hunting. I'm not certain anymore who exactly in the hierarchy the person I know is. But if Sorrit and Liosan are together, and I don't know either of them, then probabilities tell me either are good for me today. I saw a train starting on Liosan, I joined. Not hard.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 27 January 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Why have you been so focused on Liosan? first it was him being Uesugi even though he was the second vote on the Uesugi leader and now he caused the death of GL by proxy? Did your action on him fail, is that what this is?

P.S. My previous post was also an answer to these questions from Okaros.

[Sorrit]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 January 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 27 January 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

I was also making mock of people saying I'm defending Liosan just because I did not agree with GL. I don't agree with a lot of people, but that does not mean I am defending whoever they might be targeting at the time. GL was defending Atrahal just as much as I am 'defending' Liosan, by refusing to agree with what I posted about him.

There was a day where Silanah and Liosan were under heat. You decided to attack Atrahal.

There's no such things as scum in this game, so you did this because either

1) You knew Silanah or Liosan were on your team
2) You knew Atrahal is not on your team.

Atrahal was a bit lame until that part in the thread. His only actions I could find was voting Tulas on day 1, and voting Silanah on day 2. So the only way you could have know it was safe to attack Atrahal (barring an hypothetical finder role) would be that Silanah or Tulas is your leader.

Now, we know Silanah was not. Tulas we don't know.

But, if that was the reason, then the move towards Silanah/Liosan instead of Tulas should have satisfied you and you wouldn't need to stick your neck out at that time.

Ergo, for me the reason is 1) and not 2). I don't think you would have done so much for Silanah. So you did it for Liosan.

I'm not Culture hunting anymore, I'm anyone-but-my-team hunting. I'm not certain anymore who exactly in the hierarchy the person I know is. But if Sorrit and Liosan are together, and I don't know either of them, then probabilities tell me either are good for me today. I saw a train starting on Liosan, I joined. Not hard.

Really? My only reason? What if I dont think either of those people were leaders and decided to look on my own. Different people are different.

Protp: I don't know anyone on my team, so as far as I can see, everyone is fair game.