[Path-Shaper]

Also, my inbox is full of stuff that I don't get to posting... if someone is so kind, massively appreciated.

[Khellendros]

Did Korvalain know that Sukul was in their faction when they did Daring Assault, or was he just extraordinarily lucky? It seems pretty foolhardy to do it without more info, but it sure worked out. Korv should now know that Sukul is on their side too if they didnt before

I can post some stuff for you from tomorrow if you like.

[twelve]

Damn. Looks like I actually had a pretty good role. What did I do? Go and target the Damn Qadi. Just a quick question was I the one who was going to die all along or would the hammer have died is JA hadn't hammered himself?

JA what were you thinking when you were stating you didn't think we should lynch?

Or is JA still "in" the game what with the 3 day regeneration thing.

[twelve]

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 January 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Oh, also, does this mean that we'll see the Qadi/JA back in the game in three days?

Yup. He didn't get a SH password, either

Guess this answers one of my questions.

[twelve]

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

I honestly don't know who I want to win at this point.

Me neither, but we could be four players down before the night phase is even over.... if they lynch JA, that is. Which would be a spectacularly bad lynch.

It would be a horribly bad lynch both for the game and for the town.

That would have been good to know before I went and voted for him. I should get some sort of unlucky random death card of HHM. With the Survivor random 9, being the first person to lose a duel in the RO3K finale and now first person on a Qadi lynch that gets me killed. What was the god of luck in the Malazan books? Was it the Lady push or Lords pull? Not sure which is the good one and which was the bad one.

[Path-Shaper]

twelve, on 04 January 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

I honestly don't know who I want to win at this point.

Me neither, but we could be four players down before the night phase is even over.... if they lynch JA, that is. Which would be a spectacularly bad lynch.

It would be a horribly bad lynch both for the game and for the town.

That would have been good to know before I went and voted for him. I should get some sort of unlucky random death card of HHM. With the Survivor random 9, being the first person to lose a duel in the RO3K finale and now first person on a Qadi lynch that gets me killed. What was the god of luck in the Malazan books? Was it the Lady push or Lords pull? Not sure which is the good one and which was the bad one.

I'll happily nominate you as Heavy of HHM... they take all the blows in the books, too. Failing that, Meatshield, Crash Test Dummy, Jinxed Soul or Punching Bag are all ok, too.

[Path-Shaper]

Khellendros, on 04 January 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Did Korvalain know that Sukul was in their faction when they did Daring Assault, or was he just extraordinarily lucky? It seems pretty foolhardy to do it without more info, but it sure worked out. Korv should now know that Sukul is on their side too if they didnt before

I can post some stuff for you from tomorrow if you like.

Lucky
But I think Lyca just thought: hey, I'm in the 'scum' faction, it makes sense that I am better than 50% of the field, let's play the odds.

She can be quite ruthless.

[Path-Shaper]

By contrast:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 04 January 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

I cannot attack because there will be players with better combat rating and I do not have a champion to take my place when I lose. 9000 for armour you are mean!

But I do think Lyca will pull Tats into every single battle from now on.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

I'm struggling to figure out my strategy. Obviously, the goal for me is to assist the White Foal with finds and a lover-link to their leader with said finds. Ok. But, getting there is going to prove difficult.

Especially because you created a game where all our nerd game instincts are going to kick in: HORDE EVERYTHING. Seriously, I just want to build my character, despite the fact that he's not "mine."

I really like this game Tapper. It's really creative and makes us think about an actual LONG-term strategy.

There are challenges for every faction - I think if you manage to find a plump raiding target, then you can sell the proceeds and create a bit of room in your economy. For me, the main goal is balance, providing each faction with a different challenge. For the Khanate, that is resource acquisition: you have little money, few production, and raiding gives yuo resources, but perhaps not the ones you are looking for.

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

I'm sure the balance is just fine. It's just me talking out my thinking process, step by step for the jury in Heaven to pick apart.

Game play will always come first. It doesn't matter what your advantages if you get lynched day 1.

True

Telas' famous last words.

[Path-Shaper]

Twelve's short-lived time in the game in PMs:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Workshop:
I'm not sure if I have enough resources or leadership but I would like to put in orders to build an Omar's Train of Shackles.

Bazaar: I would like to sell 2 livestock for 4000 dinari. Or 2000 dinari each.

Noted, and glad to see you're here
I'll now get to your questions

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

How much leadership do I have? My role doesn't state what I have. Also if I don't start out with any money how am I suppose to buy anything or use abilities? It looks like I can create an Omar's Train of shackles to sacrifice it to get 10K but how much leadership do I have to know if I can even recruit one? Next. Water. I consume 1 water per day and it looks like my possible recruits consume 2 per day. Say if I train the Omar's train of shackles and then sacrifice it as soon as I can will it consume any water?

The BP ability. does that just protect me from assasinations or battles or both.

Okay I think that is all my questions for now. Time to look on thread to see what has been happening.

You have 1 Leadership (mistakingly called command by me, just under your character name).
Basically, you gain money through selling goods. From there on, you can buy/sell/use actions/use your workshop.

Since your Retainers are produced during dusk and consume during dawn, you can indeed destroy the Train before it ever consumes Water. If you wish to keep it around you can of course try and buy Water on the market.

The BP protects against the first attack on you, whether a battle or an assassination or another ability.

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

If it's not to late I just looked on thread and saw that weapons go for more than livestock. If I can only select one thing to sell then I would like to sell 1 weapon. if I can sell more than one item then I would like to sell 1 weapons and 2 livestock.

Also for the workshop if I can't build an Omar then I would like to build a weapon.

You'll have your Metal only later this afternoon, you can only produce new stuff tomorrow

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

That is what I thought but I wasn't sure. Then it looks like I don't have the required resources to build anything until tomorrow.

Also someone already bought the tax collecter title? And I don't even have a single dinari to my name? What's up with that crap. I know I have a good way to generate some income so it must be your way to balance that out. But damn I will need to figure a way to generate the most income for what looks to be only about 5 game days.

Well, you have massive, massive production, which you might need as there may be people nicking stuff, too

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Okay so did I mess up? Did I sell my weapon and 2 livestock to you then?

Nah, the Livestock is on the market for 2k each, the weapon I still have to put up

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Okay regarding the weapon. I see that you put one of my weapons up for 5K, if it doesn't sell will you buy it for 3K or do I just need to ask you to buy another one of my weapons for 3K?

I only want one weapon sold so I would like some clarification.

I can't accept a buy-if-not-sold clause, but you could conditionally sell the second weapon to me if you don't sell the first to a player.

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I don't know what the avatar was before this and frankly I don't have time to waste looking for a replacement. So if you don't mind I will just keep the avatar the same unless you or someone else provides me with an suficent replacement.

I'm cool with that

Weapon sold, money will come to you during dusk.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek's current occupation:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Only items and non-faction specific, non-hereditary titles are sold.

Governor of Ishktar Oasis for example would be re-sold, where Pharaoh wouldn't.
Retainers just pack their bags to go home to wife and children or frollick in the fields if they're peacocks. I don't know what place retired eunuchs go to...

the Retainers offered are due to player demand in PM, who I thought I could oblige.

AWWWW YOU MADE A WITCHY JUST FOR ME!!!

I must acquiese to your favouritism! ALL HANDS GATHER ALL THE MONEY WE WILL GET THAT WITCHY MERCENARY AND SCREW THE REST

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

WE NEED ALL THE MONEY

SEND OUT THE TRANSPORTING CARAVANS OF FREE INCOME

(HP >> Day 2 >> Use Transport)

Your caravans return with 2 drachmas, 15 coppers, 1 knot of string, two mismatched buttons and the amount of denari you're owed (2k dinari)

She now has 2k....

[Path-Shaper]

I also think no-one is interested in buying. In some instances, selling a gazillion goods for 1k each to the bank is better than offering them up for 3k when perhaps 1 is being sold. I will have to rethink the market, perhaps inflate dinari production or starting dinari, but then..... players can easily pay their abilities.

I wanted them to choose between night actions or improvement/ empowerment.

[twelve]

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

I also think no-one is interested in buying. In some instances, selling a gazillion goods for 1k each to the bank is better than offering them up for 3k when perhaps 1 is being sold. I will have to rethink the market, perhaps inflate dinari production or starting dinari, but then..... players can easily pay their abilities.

I wanted them to choose between night actions or improvement/ empowerment.

A solution to that would be to raise the ceiling on everything but the items in the surroundings/ workshop made with maybe the exception of water. Abilites would cost more, special items/titles would cost more but players would feel they have enough spare change to buy items on the market that they would otherwise not try for. Something to think about anyway. Also when I say everything I also included starting dinari or ability to earn dinari each day from something other than selling or stealing.

Earning a small income each day might also help with the purchase of items also.

This post has been edited by twelve: 04 January 2012 - 06:40 PM

[Path-Shaper]

twelve, on 04 January 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

I also think no-one is interested in buying. In some instances, selling a gazillion goods for 1k each to the bank is better than offering them up for 3k when perhaps 1 is being sold. I will have to rethink the market, perhaps inflate dinari production or starting dinari, but then..... players can easily pay their abilities.

I wanted them to choose between night actions or improvement/ empowerment.

A solution to that would be to raise the ceiling on everything but the items in the surroundings/ workshop made with maybe the exception of water. Abilites would cost more, special items/titles would cost more but players would feel they have enough spare change to buy items on the market that they would otherwise not try for. Something to think about anyway.

Yeah, I think that might be it - people are also trying to flog stuff for 2500 instead of 2 or 3k just because it feels like a better increment. I think it may be very psychologically based

[Path-Shaper]

It really needs some tweaking for 0.66, but that's ok

[HoosierDaddy]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I should have been meaner.

[twelve]

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

It really needs some tweaking for 0.66, but that's ok

Well like you said this is a trial run on the special mechanics. For the most part I think I would have enjoyed the game had I lived longer. Damn Mental. Why did he have to sign up. No Qadi means that I'm not dead and will have money to spend. I should have played more like JLV (I think) and been more after myself. I had grand plans for making big bucks. I would have loved to be able to build more than one thing at a time in my workshop. 2 Omar's Chain of Shackles a day especially since I was looking to upgrade my character that would have given me enough leadership to handle two and I would have been raking in a net of 18K Dinari's a day. 1K less for my trader ability and 1K less in Taxes because I know I would be the most prosperous player in my faction when I had that roling.

[Path-Shaper]

Yeah, he could be quite the moneymaker. The thing is, in that case, both you (and Galain now) are very vulnerable to the Nepeth, where one Retainer (even a cheap one) would give you a BP. Originally, I envisioned the Merchants to buy loads and loads of retainers and go into a battle of attrition with the Nepeth, the Khanate providing goods to the market and killing people through water loss. It turns out a bit different, and I am quite curious who will survive, now

[twelve]

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Yeah, he could be quite the moneymaker. The thing is, in that case, both you (and Galain now) are very vulnerable to the Nepeth, where one Retainer (even a cheap one) would give you a BP. Originally, I envisioned the Merchants to buy loads and loads of retainers and go into a battle of attrition with the Nepeth, the Khanate providing goods to the market and killing people through water loss. It turns out a bit different, and I am quite curious who will survive, now

how are we suppose to buy retainers when we only have enough leadership to have one?

[twelve]

I also like that you updated the player info on page one of the thread. I wonder is someone will figure out that the Qadi will come back.

About the Qadi. Was his lynch proof suppose to stop him from dieing in the first place?