[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 14 December 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'm thinking if it comes down to a reveal then we should have something like this.

Fener and Galayn Lord sitting in a tree K I S S I N G.

We start out with you postng "Fener", and I post "and", then you "Galayn", me "Lord", Etc. etc.

People will have no choice but to agree that we can talk off thread. My only concern is that people will think that we are paired killers and we might have to lynch one of us just to clear the other in people's minds.

Hopefully that won't be necessary.

Will you be able to post at all in the next 12 hours? I haven't checked the thread in a while so I have no idea what is trending and I have some training I have to give here soon plus lunch so will be away for a bit longer myself.

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Liosan, on 14 December 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Remove prior kill order

Kill in this order:
Shadow, Eloth, Kara

I think I figured out who the damn healer/guard is: Shadow. I really hope he can't self heal.... but he shouldn't be able to with standard mafia rules. Here is what tipped me off:

I have an umbrella, maybe you can share that? The weather isn't the best and i've heard that story about the police guy with spray paint?

This includes two components. first of all, d'riss had just talked about a weatherbeaten lighter, hence the mention of weather. Of course, despite the lack of mention of rain or any such precipitation, shadow brings up the weather, having an umbrella, and for some reason spray paint (just trying to be funny about the pepper spray cop or actually signaling there too? dunno).

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Eloth, on 14 December 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

OK, starting to get into this now. The way the analysis of the Day 1 speed lynch has panned out couldn't have gone any better. Kara (who I was pretty sure was trying to pull DiBs' tactic from the last game of lying low until there's some info to be had and then popping out to surprise everyone with perspacity) put Liosan and myself at the bottom of his list of suspects! And Shadow figures it's either Fener and GL or me and D'riss...no mention of Liosan at all .

After almost managing to get myself lynched on Day 1 again (I was worried for a moment there that it was going to be 3 out of 4 Day 1 lynches for me), I think there's enough stuff lying around for me to go to work. First order of business is to concoct a nice convincing case against GL. I think I've already put enough out on thread to give me a solid cause for voting for him, but I want to put the hammer in the coffin by either presenting him as driving away from D'riss or presenting him as using D'riss as convenient fodder for today. Haven't decided which one to go for yet, although there's plenty of "I don't really think D'riss is all that scummy" that I could use for the former. Conveniently, there's also a bit of "I think D'riss is quite scummy" that I could use for the latter too! So nice to have the raw materials to be able to make whatever case I want .

Key question I need to think about: is it better to try and push for a GL lynch or a D'riss lynch? Important factors:

- I've been going for the fake-symp D'riss approach up to this point. I've generally said I don't find him that scummy, etc. etc. The about face might look bad.

- I'm tempted to wait and see what Liosan thinks, but my impression is that he felt D'riss could be his symp (I actually said as much in my breakdown on thread ) and that might cloud his judgement slightly. I don't want him voting me off because he thinks I'm attacking his partner in crime!

- If Galayn Lord gets lynched and comes back inno, we're still going to be considering D'riss and Fener the next day. If D'riss gets lynched, it's less clear.




Difficult decision to make! I'll have a think about it while I'm preparing my case.

[HoosierDaddy]

 Tulas Shorn, on 14 December 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

That's great HD. That's some of the best evaluation I've ever seen.

?

This post has been edited by H.D.: 14 December 2011 - 10:53 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

I was being condescending.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm real quick on the uptake today.

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Eloth, on 15 December 2011 - 01:25 AM, said:

So I've kind of put out the idea that maybe D'riss isn't so clean. The plan is to vote GL today (barring any sudden changes in thread mood), and then perhaps look at getting people to vote off D'riss tomorrow. It's not necessarily going to be straightforward - going to have to convince two other players to come along with me and Liosan for the win. I reckon we can convince Karatallid to follow, but we still need one of whichever of Shadow, Fener and Merrid don't get NKed as well. I get the feeling that Fener will be reluctant to vote for D'riss after all he did to keep him alive. Shadow could be convinced - his mental calculus seemed to show that he was thinking about Fener/GL and D'riss/Eloth pairings, so he'll probably go for one of me or D'riss on Day 3. Merrid is too much of an unknown quantity. In fact, I hope that's who Liosan NKs. It will look like an oddball move, but actually it removes a player who via inactivity may not vote with us (and therefore means we'd have to convince someone else in his stead).

If we can't get a D'riss lynch, then I'm going to have to do some more thinking. I am reluctant to push on Fener, because that will mean having to also put some attention on Liosan. I know that when I pull my punches on cases they sound fake, so I really don't want to have to do that if I can help it. Having said that I'm probably going to have to make a show of reviewing the posts of all three (D'riss, Fener and Liosan) in order to make things look fair and balanced.

I could try pulling something along the lines of "Everyone seems to be focussing on the speed-lynchers" and divert onto Kara or Shadow (or Merrid), but I don't know if that would work - we'd need both of D'riss and Fener to find Shadow scummy...unlikely in the current climate.

Greatest fear at the moment is someone saying: "Hang on a minute, I find everyone clean except Liosan. What's going on there?" when Day 3 rolls around. I'm not well-equipped to fend that off at the moment, because there isn't someone else for me to easily pursue, and no good reason why I wouldn't want Liosan under scrutiny otherwise. I'm hoping that I can head this off by doing it myself...will just have to see.

Now, I've had my ramble. Time to go and drop my vote on GL .




ST

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Eloth, on 15 December 2011 - 02:01 AM, said:

Hmm, it just occurred to me that there might be a lover pairing in the game. If D'riss is paired with either Fener or GL via lover bond, it would explain how we were able to get that speed lynch going so easily. Might explain why Fener was so indignantly defending D'riss just now...hmm. If that's the case, we're going to have a hard time lynching D'riss tomorrow.

Come to think of it, I vaguely remember someone talking about a beautiful girl in the early RP...I'll go and look that up, might fit with my theory.

ST

Eloth, on 15 December 2011 - 02:08 AM, said:

Well Karatallid did mention a lover in one of his screes...interesting. And Fener was quick to defend Kara when we were looking for swing targets for the speed lynch. But then again, IIRC Kara put Fener quite high up his list of fishiness when analyzing the speed lynch. Probably worth bearing in mind going forwards, anyway.

ST

[HoosierDaddy]

Liosan lynches his symp it's game over. He'll never make it to 1 v. 1.

[Path-Shaper]

::facepalm::

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 15 December 2011 - 03:48 AM, said:

big risk. dropped a bomb on eloth. hopefully i haven't sunk myself by over extending myself against a more savvy player. eloth is good and kara has turned out to be complimentarily to him as well. still, i think i shall maintain the course on shadow (get rid of a player who is very likely roled). i don't like taking the risk of associating with d'riss. but frankly, how many symps can there be for one player. d'riss is definitely not scum, and people will realize that eventually (unless they are stupid townies )

[Path-Shaper]

It looks like Liosan is symping D'riss right now. To be honest, that's probably good. If ST manages to get GL lynched, town might lynch D'riss tomorrow because of the amount of symping it seems people are giving him. and that buys scum a lot of time.

Of course, Liosan is attacking his symp, so who knows what's going to happen.

[HoosierDaddy]

Won't be the first or last time a master kills or lynches their symp. Goes with the territory.

Still, this could swing a lot of ways and Liosan is out of the heat for now and presumably the next day.

[Shinrei]

BTW, having calmed down I will not be neg-repping people like I claimed in my rant.

That is all.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm disappointed in the lack of lynch. And GH dropping the hint that he had to get up early was smart.

Liosan, on 15 December 2011 - 12:13 PM, said:

wow, i should get a fucking night nuclear kill after that town showing. good gods... i'm ashamed on their behalf, despite killing them

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 15 December 2011 - 12:19 PM

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 Path-Shaper, on 15 December 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

I'm disappointed in the lack of lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

KL is gonna get GH killed. "Lord, we're half a lynch train just the two of us."

She also asked what his preference would be for a lynch early with 10 minutes left in the day.

[Khellendros]

Oh dear, not town's proudest day. Eloth was close to getting lynched too. If it happens that way again today, he should reveal as finder. And in this game, where there is no town finder, he could do some real damage then.

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Fener, on 15 December 2011 - 07:16 PM, said:

Well we both survived another night and we now hold 50% of the voting block needed for a lynch.

I'm thinking that Eloth is most likely scum. It was either you or Lio that mentioned that there was 4 anoyomous users logged into the game during the end of the day. We know that 3 of them were you, Lio and PS. So i took it upon myself to look at posting times for all the remaining players and the only people that post close to the time that day times out is Eloth and D'riss. Eloth more so than D'riss. I don't know if I can post this agurment in thread as I'm not sure if this breaks the whole meta rule crap or not but with my earlier gut feeling that Eloth was the player I most likely wanted to get rid of instead of D'riss this is definately putting my stamp of approval for targeting Eloth.

What do you think? Do you have a different idea?

[HoosierDaddy]

They fail to realized that people like me run around anonymous all the time and I view the thread a lot.

It's not breaking the rules, it's just not necessarily right and easily slipped because of that.