[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 27 hours and 56 minutes are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

1 vote Thyrllan: Spite


Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tennes, Thryllan

[Galain]

Hmm, actually, I think I'll work my way up from the player with the least posts upwards. So let's start off at the foot of the table with Meanas. Someone seems to have forgotten they were playing! One post right at the beginning, and nothing since:

Meanas, on 28 November 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:

Konichiwa, fellow Shogun (that's the good guys, right?). Let us hope that the tea is hot, the steel is cold, and we do not bring dishonor to our families. I'd hate to have to commit Sepukku.

That's not good enough.

Vote Meanas

You've drifted through the day with nothing. Post something, please!

Next: Gamelon.

[Galain]

This is the only post of Gamelon's worth repeating, and there's not much to it.

Gamelon, on 29 November 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Crap, my first post was lost, for brevity

I said:

The best case I see is against Kesso

Vote Kessobahn

Would have liked Gamelon to have expanded on this once he put his vote down. He makes it sounds like he had a few things to say...well just because he has voted doesn't mean he can't still say them. But frankly there's just not enough here to go any further than that. The vote was late in the day to ensure a lynch, so looks valid to me. At least he's posting more than Meanas...

[Emurlahn]

Vote Meanas


I hadn't notice you were playing.

[Galain]

Ruse has two posts of note, and when taken together they present a picture of the sort of low poster I don't mind seeing - has some opinions, and is willing to elucidate a little on why they hold them.

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 07:38 AM, said:

Hmm, well there seems to be a fair bit going on here. Much too-ing and fro-ing to be found. At least the avatars are less confusing!

There seems to be a lot of anxiety about low posting because of the last game. I'm not really sure if Day 1 is really a good indicator of how the rest will go. But putting pressure on low posters early is probably the only way to avoid any repeats, so as such, I'm all for it.

In spite of Spite's trigger happiness (hehe), I reckon they're inno, seems a bit OTT for scum.

I don't get Thyr's weird statement. At first I thought I'd missed the explanation for it, but reading back Thyr's just sort of ignoring it. Although I'm not completely convinced it's really a good reason for a lynch. But pehaps it's too much to hope that someone would get 'syllables' and 'characters' confused as well as not be able to count particularly well.

Kesso, that's probably just first day voting for you. And also conviniently the only other train that's building up aside from your own. Which I'm going to have to go and take another look at, I think, because I don't really get it.

So, as such I'm on the fence for the next couple of hours, hopefully there will be a bit more posting closer to the end of day.

Also, teletubbies? Really? Glad Tiam took one for the team there...

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmm, looking at things I'm going to

Vote Kessobahn

HP's case does look odd, and if he was symping Thyr that's a strange way to go about doing it.
In any case, we need a lynch.

That said, I'd still like to hear from Thyr.

By itself I thought the vote looked a bit odd...it was as if it came out of the blue, if you'll pardon the pun . However, in conjunction with the first post I think it looks a little better. There's evidence of an evolving thought process here. I've never quite been sure about where I stand about players who change their mind. On the one hand, it feels like they are being honest. On the other hand, I know when I've been scum in the past I've had a tendency to "let myself be convinced" about something. :shrug: In this case it feels sincere to me...but then I might be a little biased since Ruse was agreeing with me .

There's enough here that it feels like Ruse is actually playing, which is more than I can say for the previous two. I'll stick with my Meanas vote for the time being. Don't have time for any more right now. Might try and do a few more tomorrow if I can find the time.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on 29 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just want to get the train up so it's easily findable for reference. (More for me than anyone) . I started it where we were at 3 vs. 3

Path-Shaper, on 29 November 2011 - 06:43 AM, said:

It is Day 1, 8 hours and 30 minutes are left in the day.

17 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

1 vote Galain: Rashan
1 vote Tennes: Tiamatha
1 vote Rashan: Spite
3 vote Thyrllan: Emurlahn, Mockra, Kessobahn
1 vote Mockra: Osseric
3 votes Kesso: Thryllan, Atrahal, Galain
1 vote Atrahal: Hood's Path



17 Players still alive,

Players not voting
Anomandaris, Gamelon,, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes

Ano makes a good point about HP here.

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

well a lo of two and fro on day 1. Interesting that people say i was interacting with galain and rashan when someone voted for me and another voted for them and I hadnt nor did post since. Early cases are always hard to fathom, and day 1 when people havent really started make that more so.

The triple vote was very strange, people seem to forget that no matter if you are town or scum you should always try at least to look inno. Strange voting behaviour never looks like an inno tactic.

3 vote Thyrllan: Emurlahn, Mockra, Kessobahn

3 votes Kesso: Thryllan, Atrahal, Galain

1 vote Atrahal: Hood's Path

This voting also looks highly suspect given that three people are voting for kesso and both mockra and kesso come on to vote thyrllan while hp comes on and builds against atrahal with a case built on more than one player voting for another player within a certain time frame. Though i dont find thyrllan or kesso especially suspicious by their content the division of votes at what is generally a turning point phase of the day makes me think there is something in this.

vote kessobahn

The atrahal and thyrllan votes feel more like a way to counteract this train than an actual case built upon suspicious activity.

Good justifiacation for a vote here. Things make sense. Doesn't mean he isn't scum, but it seems too well thought out to be suspicious in my eyes.

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

okay...im just going to do it without the quotes.


I found while reading the thread that the spite tripple vote, while stupid and potentially giving scum a nice thing to discuss and hide in plain sight, was is not something i want to dwell on as the only arguments for and against it are WIFOM crap.

lots of fluff about avatars etc etc that make no sense now since the offending avatar has subsequently been changed....thanks for that...very confusing reading it now.

When i got to the point where i read Galains case on kessoh, well i found that to be a very decent day one case.
In fact its probably as about as decent as day one case as you will probably get with the limited info we have and I immediately copied it onto my clipboard for later reference.

imagine to my surprise when i read on and see that HP comes out immediately and blatantly defends kessoh, and starts making some ridiculous case about Galain and Atrahal colluding behind the scenes!
Not only is this case silly....as every lynch train has to have more than one person voting for a single person to get a lynch,
Its logic is also completely flawed.
Killers will not collude and draw attention to themselves by agreeing "behind the scenes" to effectively look like they are partnering up and working as a team.
If anything they will try and do the exact opposite and completely distance themselves from one another,

To insinuate that because they followed one another with votes on a player makes them killers working as a unit is pretty ludicrous if you think about it,
Yet here we have someone using it to try and rubbish a pretty decent day one assessment on a potential killer by claiming that two are more likely a killer pair working together than simply two people who see something scummy in the same person.

Its actually such a blatant case of symping i find myself struggling to believe it is actually symping.
At least HP didnt immediately vote for one of the two he pointed out as killer pair....he had to be subtle i suppose.
He waiting a full 30MINUTES before putting his vote on atrhal....like I said...sublte

Vote kessoh


While i find thyr slip interesting... what he said about his role does not make him definitely scum.

Here is one of the posts that led me to believe Tia was scum. ( so much for my instincts.) he just seems to make the train on Kesso inevitable, and doesn't back up his vote.

Tiamatha, on 29 November 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

I don't think it will swing in Thyrllan's direction, i'm around and will switch if necessary, I guess in light of Tennes' case I have to vote for Kessobahn although Thyrllan was a distinct possibility.

Vote Kessobahn

This vote is the most suspicious in my eyes. Wishy-washy with a smattering of "we need a lynch"

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmm, looking at things I'm going to

Vote Kessobahn

HP's case does look odd, and if he was symping Thyr that's a strange way to go about doing it.
In any case, we need a lynch.

That said, I'd still like to hear from Thyr.

Another kinda fishy one, but not as much imo. This seems to be a "we need a lynch vote" without actually saying it. I find this less suspicious than the use bogus reasoning followed by the stated "we need a lynch" (see Ruse)

Gamelon, on 29 November 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Crap, my first post was lost, for brevity

I said:

The best case I see is against Kesso

Vote Kessobahn

Hammer vote. As stated before, we were down to deadline. hard to reead anything from this vote as inno or scum would have ample reason to hammer as we run up to deadline on day 1.

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

So he won't come back to comment, you say? No point in waiting, then.

Remove Vote

Vote Kesso

After all that, it strikes me as odd that the killers chose Tiam for the NK. ( I know I know.. WIFOM) Killers generally are looking for their symps early, they must have felt Tiam was a safe kill. I am curious as to why. I'll go give his posts another gander.

Also, after the swing, the Anno and Ruse votes look the most shady to my eyes. It definately swung to Kesso quickly. Hard to believe that it was all innos on the train after it was 3 vs. 3.

There were two and a half hours of day left, and I needed to get some sleep. Kesso was on 6 votes to Thyr's 3, and not only the likeliest lynch, but also the most suspicous one, as all we had on Thyr was an odd comment, while Kesso looked like he was actively being symped. That's all I've got really, take it or leave it.

[Galain]

Speak of the devil!

Ruse, who do you suspect? Who do you not suspect? And why?

[Ruse]

Haha, I'm loved.

Going back to do a reread of last night's stuff. And I want to take a look at the case builing that started yesterday's mess with Kesso. Then I'll let you know

[Ruse]

Oh piss, didn't see your post on me, Galain.

Thanks dude, now I look like a low poster who's seen their name and come when called.
<.<

[Emurlahn]

Well, to be fair, that's what you are.

[Atrahal]

Ah shit... Sorry guys, I hoped we had pinned down scum on day 1 (eternally optimistic ).

By the way, little late in response to this:

Rashan, on 29 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

No one has commented yet on PS's mid-day storyline. I was wondering if we have to work with a communicating network of scum (since it talks about Hojo sending out messages). Does anyone think that Hojo is a hidden identity running the show with anonymous messages? I was just remembering that final game of Ro3K where we had the anonymous messaging directing fellow faction members (and yes, I know this is a town vs scum game, so don't give me shit about bringing up factions).

If they can talk, it is killer to killer, as usual. P-S mentioned that this wouldn't be TMDI Skyhigh and communications are really tough to deal with in balance. To me, a killer pair consisting of Hojo and maybe the Ise guy also somehow in there (he was mentioned as a schemer and opposed to Ashikaga Minamoto in the inn-scene in the OP - Ise was another province close to Hojo lands, iirc, so he's perhaps a bit more also than a blank role).

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And it seems like town may have a new role with the introduction of Masamoto.

Ehm, why would a role be introduced halfway day 1? Once again, Ashikaga Masamoto has been mentioned several times already and is likely our main man concerning actions, hence the emphasis being placed on him in stories. If you see the 'send more men!' plea he does to the shogun as an action, well, perhaps it is an indication that he can promote RIs to more effective roles (aka he's a Teacher).

Anyhow, back to my meeting.

Hate to say it Rashan, but Hojo and Ise are the same person according to wikipedia:

"Hōjō Sōun (北条 早雲^?, 1432 – September 8, 1519) was the first head of the Late Hōjō clan, one of the major powers in Japan'sSengoku period. Born Ise Moritoki, he was originally known as Ise Shinkurō, a samurai of Taira lineage from a reputable family of Shogunate officials. Although he only belonged to a side branch of the main, more prestigious Ise family, he fought his way up, gaining territory and changing his name in imitation of the illustrious Hōjō."


And I see we have already discussed the potential for RI's to gain roles.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 30 November 2011 - 01:02 AM, said:

Well, to be fair, that's what you are.

Hmph.

I'm going back to reading and sulking in the corner.

[Emurlahn]

My lack of participation today disturbs even me. I'm writing a paper. I'll have more time to do brain thinkys tomorrow.

[Hood's Path]

as you can see there was a almost a hour between there cases more then enough time for them to conlude and then mess up as to why the would go after the same person well that would have to be a mess up wouldn't it no right minded scum would both go after the same target unless they messed up
tennes the fact that people thought that I was kesso's symp speaks not to my symp hood but to their own lack of ability
mockra the only reason that scum would make the same case on a person is that they messed up it has happened before there for it is possible.
galain what else could you possibly say that you were in fact scum and that atrahal was your partner and that you had thought that you were suppose to make the case while atrahal thought that he was suppose to make the case you two still look scummy and much to chummy for my tastes
still getting caught up

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 12:20 AM, said:

I personally don't like all of the vote jumping this first day. I'm good with the initial joke votes (despite creating a haven for signaling), but just voting when someone tickles the other's fancy: counter-productive. Right now, Kesso is catching my attention with posts like this:

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precisely. when skimming the thread to try to locate a relevant point, we rely on the avatars to easily identify the poster. it is an incredibly useful shortcut that allows us to focus on analyzing a point, and constructing elaborate case around it. it's much harder to do so, when the you go though a 20-post conversation, between players with the identicad "dark, with a spot of colour in the laft portion" avatars. Made me spend my limited attention onfiguring out who made what point, making us read the poster's name, as well as looking at the avatar... well, oyu get the picture.

He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....

I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game )

Vote Kessobahn

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

OK, so here's a case on Kessobahn for you all to digest:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 28 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

No. No! I refuse to play a role that is 2 words and 14 syllables long.

don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.

Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Spite, on 28 November 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

*snip*

i dunno, are you the shogun?

he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,

This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.

It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:

do we think Spite warrants any attention for his quadruple hard-on for Rashan?

This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

I never like single-mindedness in mafia.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.


it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....



apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.

As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.




Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.

Remove Vote

Vote Kessobahn

Mockra, on 29 November 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

Um your case was shit and you got a inno lynched on a shit case. I stand by my stance that you and atrahal both were concluding behind the lines and both of you accidentally made cases on Kesso.

Checking in briefly from my phone. I thought you said before that you thought they had AGREED behind the scenes to make cases on kesso - now you're saying they are are still colluding but fucked up and "accidentally " made cases on the same person? Something doesn't add up here. How much time passed between the cases anyway? Is it even possible that Galain had time to build on Atrahals case?

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Its quite laughable that HP would call Galains case "shit".

his very own made no logical sense. leading to us think he was a potential symp.

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 08:25 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 November 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

Um your case was shit and you got a inno lynched on a shit case. I stand by my stance that you and atrahal both were concluding behind the lines and both of you accidentally made cases on Kesso.

Checking in briefly from my phone. I thought you said before that you thought they had AGREED behind the scenes to make cases on kesso - now you're saying they are are still colluding but fucked up and "accidentally " made cases on the same person? Something doesn't add up here. How much time passed between the cases anyway? Is it even possible that Galain had time to build on Atrahals case?

For my part I'll say that I did not see myself as building on Atrahal's case per se. I was collecting my thoughts about Kessobahn in preparation for the case I was going to make when Atrahal published his. I figured since he looked the most scummy for the reasons I outlined, I might as well put my case out there as well.

[Osseric]

So Anomandaris has eight posts, seven of which are one line long and go along the lines of: "I need coffee"; "Haha at that thing nothing to do with the game", etc. Below is his one post of note, his reasoning for a Kessobahn vote.

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

well a lo of two and fro on day 1. Interesting that people say i was interacting with galain and rashan when someone voted for me and another voted for them and I hadnt nor did post since. Early cases are always hard to fathom, and day 1 when people havent really started make that more so.

The triple vote was very strange, people seem to forget that no matter if you are town or scum you should always try at least to look inno. Strange voting behaviour never looks like an inno tactic.

3 vote Thyrllan: Emurlahn, Mockra, Kessobahn

3 votes Kesso: Thryllan, Atrahal, Galain

1 vote Atrahal: Hood's Path

This voting also looks highly suspect given that three people are voting for kesso and both mockra and kesso come on to vote thyrllan while hp comes on and builds against atrahal with a case built on more than one player voting for another player within a certain time frame. Though i dont find thyrllan or kesso especially suspicious by their content the division of votes at what is generally a turning point phase of the day makes me think there is something in this.

vote kessobahn

The atrahal and thyrllan votes feel more like a way to counteract this train than an actual case built upon suspicious activity.

Ano's reasoning is essentially that he thinks there's something in the fact that the votes between Kesso and Thyr were being evenly split at that point.

It seems like there is quite detailed reasoning here but actually there isn't. He simply says that the votes on Atrahal and Thyrllan look like attempts to derail a Kessobahn lynch. Why though? He doesn't say. Saying why this was so would be actual reasoning for voting Kessobahn.

Anomandaris arrives, slap bang in the middle of the lynch train, having made what at first glace looks like a reasoned vote, and then disappears to post one-liners again. In other words, a non-contributor who steps up only to hammer a nail into an inno's coffin.

Omtose, on 29 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Also, after the swing, the Anno and Ruse votes look the most shady to my eyes. It definately swung to Kesso quickly. Hard to believe that it was all innos on the train after it was 3 vs. 3.

I agree, Anomandaris and Ruse votes seem the most suspicious to me also. Anomandaris' vote is the one where the train gathered unstoppable momentum.

[Ruse]

Some thoughts:

If HP is a symp, Thyr wasn't the only one getting heat when HP made his case. Rashan was one two votes as well, and there were a number of other votes floating around the place which could scare an inexperienced symp. So I disagree with Spite's post, which is a little certain, and a wee bit shakey on facts for me to be entirely confortable with it, never mind agree with it.

Kess certainly looked to me like the most likely candidate for scum. I guess he wasn't joking when he said he gets lynched for playing scummy. Perhaps that made him a target for fake symping?

[Ruse]

Wait, I'm an idiot, Kess had 4 votes before HP's post, and Galain's vote shifted from Rashan to Kess. In any case, HP's case three hours after. So nevermind, there's possibly nothing in there after all.

I'm going to go get some coffee

Path-Shaper, on 28 November 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

It is Day 1, 16 hours and 40 minutes are left in the day.

17 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

1 vote Galain: Rashan
1 vote Tennes: Tiamatha
2 votes Rashan: Spite, Mockra
2 votes Thyrllan: Galain, Emurlahn
1 vote Mockra: Osseric
1 vote Kesso: Thryllan



17 Players still alive,

Players not voting
Anomandaris, Atrahal, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 12:20 AM, said:

I personally don't like all of the vote jumping this first day. I'm good with the initial joke votes (despite creating a haven for signaling), but just voting when someone tickles the other's fancy: counter-productive. Right now, Kesso is catching my attention with posts like this:

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precisely. when skimming the thread to try to locate a relevant point, we rely on the avatars to easily identify the poster. it is an incredibly useful shortcut that allows us to focus on analyzing a point, and constructing elaborate case around it. it's much harder to do so, when the you go though a 20-post conversation, between players with the identicad "dark, with a spot of colour in the laft portion" avatars. Made me spend my limited attention onfiguring out who made what point, making us read the poster's name, as well as looking at the avatar... well, oyu get the picture.

He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....

I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game )

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Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

OK, so here's a case on Kessobahn for you all to digest:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 28 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

No. No! I refuse to play a role that is 2 words and 14 syllables long.

don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.

Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Spite, on 28 November 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

*snip*

i dunno, are you the shogun?

he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,

This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.

It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:

do we think Spite warrants any attention for his quadruple hard-on for Rashan?

This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

I never like single-mindedness in mafia.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.


it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....



apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.

As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.




Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.

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[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 24 hours and 5 minutes are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

1 vote Thyrllan: Spite
2 votes Meanas: Galain, Emurlahn


Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tennes, Thryllan

[Ruse]

I'm all aloooooone. I think I have the worst timezone ever.

[Emurlahn]

Ruse complained about that last game, too. I'm usually around at this time, never fear.