[Spite]

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

okay...im just going to do it without the quotes.


I found while reading the thread that the spite tripple vote, while stupid and potentially giving scum a nice thing to discuss and hide in plain sight, was is not something i want to dwell on as the only arguments for and against it are WIFOM crap.

lots of fluff about avatars etc etc that make no sense now since the offending avatar has subsequently been changed....thanks for that...very confusing reading it now.

When i got to the point where i read Galains case on kessoh, well i found that to be a very decent day one case.
In fact its probably as about as decent as day one case as you will probably get with the limited info we have and I immediately copied it onto my clipboard for later reference.

imagine to my surprise when i read on and see that HP comes out immediately and blatantly defends kessoh, and starts making some ridiculous case about Galain and Atrahal colluding behind the scenes!
Not only is this case silly....as every lynch train has to have more than one person voting for a single person to get a lynch,
Its logic is also completely flawed.
Killers will not collude and draw attention to themselves by agreeing "behind the scenes" to effectively look like they are partnering up and working as a team.
If anything they will try and do the exact opposite and completely distance themselves from one another,

To insinuate that because they followed one another with votes on a player makes them killers working as a unit is pretty ludicrous if you think about it,
Yet here we have someone using it to try and rubbish a pretty decent day one assessment on a potential killer by claiming that two are more likely a killer pair working together than simply two people who see something scummy in the same person.

Its actually such a blatant case of symping i find myself struggling to believe it is actually symping.
At least HP didnt immediately vote for one of the two he pointed out as killer pair....he had to be subtle i suppose.
He waiting a full 30MINUTES before putting his vote on atrhal....like I said...sublte

Vote kessoh


While i find thyr slip interesting... what he said about his role does not make him definitely scum.

I like this post. I'm okay with the lack of quotes. People tend to go overboard with the whole wall o quotes anyway. Short concise well reasoned posts are what I preffer. But I digress.

Now that we know that Kesso is innocent do you still think that HP was trying to redirect attention? The only other person out there that was getting heat at the time was Thryllan. I could be wrong but I think there were 3 votes each on both Kesso and Thryllan when HP came on and posted his theory about Galain and Atrahal. Even though Kesso was getting the votes a good number of people sounded like they would have preferred to vote for Thryllan. A symp would have seem a small train on his master and also a few more players mentioning that his master was in their sites for a vote and deside to throw that BS case out there.

I'm convinced.

vote thryllan

[Emurlahn]

Why are people acting like they didn't expect Kesso to be scum? Then why the fuck did you vote for him? That's scummy talking. There was a point when kesso vs thyr was pretty close. I suppose that excludes thyr

[Mockra]

Back. I tried to be here before the lynch but couldn't make it happen. I'm a little bit surprised that some people decided to give Thyr a pass; I think even his recent responses, where he actually makes complete sentences, are too sarcastic and defensive. He acts like we shouldn't even be questioning his play...

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

So instead I will catch up and address outlying accusations and banality to which I doth take thee offenceth: (that's how they talk in old Japan right?)

Tiamatha, on 29 November 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Thyrllan slipped up and hasn't helped town by staying silent.

I was absent. That happens sometimes. Laying it on a bit thick mr?

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 07:38 AM, said:

I don't get Thyr's weird statement. At first I thought I'd missed the explanation for it, but reading back Thyr's just sort of ignoring it. Although I'm not completely convinced it's really a good reason for a lynch. But pehaps it's too much to hope that someone would get 'syllables' and 'characters' confused as well as not be able to count particularly well.

No, I meant syllables. I don't know japanese characters at all, I have no idea how many would be in a name. And no it wasn't a PM to path-shaper, I was just making a 1st-post joke the same as yous guys' first posts about tea ceremonies and bowing and shit. And maybe some of you didn't get 14 syllable char names, but {a} there's such a thing as exaggeration and {b} this being feudal shogunate japan there are lots of long names. Maybe my role is Matsudaira Kurandonosuke Motoyasu? (No, it isn't, he's not born yet)

Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

I looked over Thyr again, and I think that is a worthy train as well. I agreed he doesn't say much and seems to spend most of his time perpetuating or exhibiting confusion, a great way to look like a blundering inno. Also, the fact that not only did he not remove his vote from Kesso, but that he didn't even respond to Kesso's retort is suspicious. Frankly, I still find them both (Kesso and Thyr) suspicious, so I'll hold on Kesso for now.

Oh noes, I'm confused and blundering on day 1! Please Atrahal, elaborate on how you have such a complete knowledge of the entire game less than 24 hours into the first game of the series. Please, share with us this fountain of knowledge you posess...

This isn't strictly true - the complaint isn't that Thyr wasn't around but that his posts were entirely devoid of content. He obviously had time to make his "joke post" and call people idiots, but he didn't contribute to the discussion at all - and he didn't use his time to say, "Hey, I'm busy or something, I'll be around later". Using "I was absent" as an excuse glosses over the real issue. I also think the name explanation is a bit forced. Anyway, the fact that he says he's going to "address accusations" but really just blows everyone off is suspicious to me.

I need to read up on the Kesso lynch. HP's case in particular, I think, as it seemed to influence a lot of people. I should be around for awhile and then gone later on today.

[Mockra]

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

I was gonna be all like "I'm here, need hammer plox?" but we're training the guy I joke-voted like a year ago... cool

Also in this post Thyr tries pretty hard to disassociate himself from the Kesso train.

I'm disappointed we haven't heard from Meanas or Omtose at all; only 1 post by day 2 does not look good.

[Thyrllan]

Mockra, on 29 November 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

I was gonna be all like "I'm here, need hammer plox?" but we're training the guy I joke-voted like a year ago... cool

Also in this post Thyr tries pretty hard to disassociate himself from the Kesso train.

I'm disappointed we haven't heard from Meanas or Omtose at all; only 1 post by day 2 does not look good.

and why shouldn't I disacciate from the kesso train? I wasn't around during the kesso case-building nor particularly agreed with the argument against him. I'm not so mean as to remove when he was at L-2/L-1 with 15 min left and about to be hammered, especially when I'm the other train, but I have no desire to be associated with his train, either as I didn't see him as particularly scummy. If I'd been on earlier I would've made a Tiam case (a light one... it was day 1 and he had like 2 posts for me to go on).

[Mockra]

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 November 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

I was gonna be all like "I'm here, need hammer plox?" but we're training the guy I joke-voted like a year ago... cool

Also in this post Thyr tries pretty hard to disassociate himself from the Kesso train.

I'm disappointed we haven't heard from Meanas or Omtose at all; only 1 post by day 2 does not look good.

and why shouldn't I disacciate from the kesso train? I wasn't around during the kesso case-building nor particularly agreed with the argument against him. I'm not so mean as to remove when he was at L-2/L-1 with 15 min left and about to be hammered, especially when I'm the other train, but I have no desire to be associated with his train, either as I didn't see him as particularly scummy. If I'd been on earlier I would've made a Tiam case (a light one... it was day 1 and he had like 2 posts for me to go on).

Fair enough, I can understand that position. I agree that there weren't a lot of options at that point, removing your vote would have been even more suspicious probably. But on the other hand it strikes me wrong, just because you went out of your way to distance yourself right when he was at L-1 or so. It's not like anyone was looking at the train yet or questioning your vote, but you made sure to preempt any questions directed your way by reminding everyone that one of your five nonsensical posts was a joke vote that started the lynch train. Seems to fit with your pattern of avoiding questions.

[Omtose]

Sorry for the absence. Going to catch up. Only 3 pages, so hopefully I didn't miss much.

[Omtose]

oops... make that 7 pages.. ok this might take a while.

[Galain]

Osseric, on 29 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Kessobahn in inno shocker. Anyway, on a related note, I found this post by Galain interesting:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

RE the bolded part: Uhm, actually HP did discuss your cases, in that bit which you snipped off. And he came to the conclusion that you looked like you were colluding. I'm not saying that HP is right, but to rewrite history like that makes it look as if Galain is trying to highlight a target for the rest of us for the next day before the first lynch is even done.

Sorry, where? He quotes both cases in his post, but doesn't offer any discussion of them beyond the bit in my quote.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Why are people acting like they didn't expect Kesso to be scum? Then why the fuck did you vote for him? That's scummy talking. There was a point when kesso vs thyr was pretty close. I suppose that excludes thyr

All true. The answer you're going to get is 'we need the info'. And/or: 'there was no alternative'. As well as everyone being scared of being associated as a symp in case the lynch did not go through, of course.


But, ehm, just to be obnoxious and dumb (I'm awfully good at both) what does 'that' exclude Thyr from? Being scum?If so, that's jumping to conclusions, good sir. And not just regular jumping, oh no... it is more like base jumping from an F15 Eagle unto the world's biggest trampoline to reach for the moon.

[Osseric]

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Kessobahn in inno shocker. Anyway, on a related note, I found this post by Galain interesting:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

RE the bolded part: Uhm, actually HP did discuss your cases, in that bit which you snipped off. And he came to the conclusion that you looked like you were colluding. I'm not saying that HP is right, but to rewrite history like that makes it look as if Galain is trying to highlight a target for the rest of us for the next day before the first lynch is even done.

Sorry, where? He quotes both cases in his post, but doesn't offer any discussion of them beyond the bit in my quote.

Looks like I'm the one getting things wrong - serves me right for not going back to check before I post. I had thought there was more to HP's comments than what you posted, but it turns out that was just my imagination filling in the gaps. Sorry Galain. Though clearly from his attack he didn't think much of the merits of your cases

However:

I do feel HP's comment is an interesting one. Two cases in quick succession...on the same person...on day 1...well, that does strike me as somewhat fishy.

There is a whole sea of fish out there at the moment though.

[Tennes]

Spite, on 29 November 2011 - 04:23 PM, said:

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

okay...im just going to do it without the quotes.


I found while reading the thread that the spite tripple vote, while stupid and potentially giving scum a nice thing to discuss and hide in plain sight, was is not something i want to dwell on as the only arguments for and against it are WIFOM crap.

lots of fluff about avatars etc etc that make no sense now since the offending avatar has subsequently been changed....thanks for that...very confusing reading it now.

When i got to the point where i read Galains case on kessoh, well i found that to be a very decent day one case.
In fact its probably as about as decent as day one case as you will probably get with the limited info we have and I immediately copied it onto my clipboard for later reference.

imagine to my surprise when i read on and see that HP comes out immediately and blatantly defends kessoh, and starts making some ridiculous case about Galain and Atrahal colluding behind the scenes!
Not only is this case silly....as every lynch train has to have more than one person voting for a single person to get a lynch,
Its logic is also completely flawed.
Killers will not collude and draw attention to themselves by agreeing "behind the scenes" to effectively look like they are partnering up and working as a team.
If anything they will try and do the exact opposite and completely distance themselves from one another,

To insinuate that because they followed one another with votes on a player makes them killers working as a unit is pretty ludicrous if you think about it,
Yet here we have someone using it to try and rubbish a pretty decent day one assessment on a potential killer by claiming that two are more likely a killer pair working together than simply two people who see something scummy in the same person.

Its actually such a blatant case of symping i find myself struggling to believe it is actually symping.
At least HP didnt immediately vote for one of the two he pointed out as killer pair....he had to be subtle i suppose.
He waiting a full 30MINUTES before putting his vote on atrhal....like I said...sublte

Vote kessoh


While i find thyr slip interesting... what he said about his role does not make him definitely scum.

I like this post. I'm okay with the lack of quotes. People tend to go overboard with the whole wall o quotes anyway. Short concise well reasoned posts are what I preffer. But I digress.

Now that we know that Kesso is innocent do you still think that HP was trying to redirect attention? The only other person out there that was getting heat at the time was Thryllan. I could be wrong but I think there were 3 votes each on both Kesso and Thryllan when HP came on and posted his theory about Galain and Atrahal. Even though Kesso was getting the votes a good number of people sounded like they would have preferred to vote for Thryllan. A symp would have seem a small train on his master and also a few more players mentioning that his master was in their sites for a vote and deside to throw that BS case out there.

I'm convinced.

vote thryllan

No i am far from convinced of the Thyr case as it is.
Its all stems from a weirdly worded post that could (or could just as easily not) be a slip up.
And even it it was a slip up he could have just as easily been a roled inno as scum.

While i agree that his play is somewhat erratic.
And maybe a bit strange....i still dont see that as a sign of guilt in of itself.

however.
What could be the case is that perhaps the people pushing for the kessoh lynch...did so in order to misdirect us from a thyr lynch.
That i can agree with.
So my thinking "yesterday" that HP's symping was too good to be true was most certainly correct.
But what if we take that a bit further?

What if HP was correct in his suspicions of Galain and Atrahal...at least half correct.
Not that they where the killers.
But that they are symps.
Or maybe one killer and a symp following his lead.

Thyr makes a mistake, and these guys finger another player with a fairly decent case on someone else.
And viola they derailed thyrs lynch with the help of unwitting folks such as myself who bought into their decent case.

It stands to reason that a symp is not going to put forth a crap case in order to redirect attention.
He needs a relatively good one.


meh...but i am rambling now.


of course this is all conjecture.

so in short.... yes i could go for a thyr lynch today.
I feel if nothing else comes up its a decent lynch, as i think it will be a distraction for the rest of the game if not anyways.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Kessobahn in inno shocker. Anyway, on a related note, I found this post by Galain interesting:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

RE the bolded part: Uhm, actually HP did discuss your cases, in that bit which you snipped off. And he came to the conclusion that you looked like you were colluding. I'm not saying that HP is right, but to rewrite history like that makes it look as if Galain is trying to highlight a target for the rest of us for the next day before the first lynch is even done.

Sorry, where? He quotes both cases in his post, but doesn't offer any discussion of them beyond the bit in my quote.

Does he have to? The case wasn't on him. Plenty of people haven't commented at all (me included) and he did. That you don't like what he found or think it merits a different reaction, well, too bad for you.
If you don't like it, vote him, if you can't be arsed, equally fine. But right now, it sounds a lot like HPs crime is that he didn't give you proper attention.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Why are people acting like they didn't expect Kesso to be scum? Then why the fuck did you vote for him? That's scummy talking. There was a point when kesso vs thyr was pretty close. I suppose that excludes thyr

I was hopeful actually. But sadly wrong .

[Thyrllan]

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

Spite, on 29 November 2011 - 04:23 PM, said:

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

okay...im just going to do it without the quotes.


I found while reading the thread that the spite tripple vote, while stupid and potentially giving scum a nice thing to discuss and hide in plain sight, was is not something i want to dwell on as the only arguments for and against it are WIFOM crap.

lots of fluff about avatars etc etc that make no sense now since the offending avatar has subsequently been changed....thanks for that...very confusing reading it now.

When i got to the point where i read Galains case on kessoh, well i found that to be a very decent day one case.
In fact its probably as about as decent as day one case as you will probably get with the limited info we have and I immediately copied it onto my clipboard for later reference.

imagine to my surprise when i read on and see that HP comes out immediately and blatantly defends kessoh, and starts making some ridiculous case about Galain and Atrahal colluding behind the scenes!
Not only is this case silly....as every lynch train has to have more than one person voting for a single person to get a lynch,
Its logic is also completely flawed.
Killers will not collude and draw attention to themselves by agreeing "behind the scenes" to effectively look like they are partnering up and working as a team.
If anything they will try and do the exact opposite and completely distance themselves from one another,

To insinuate that because they followed one another with votes on a player makes them killers working as a unit is pretty ludicrous if you think about it,
Yet here we have someone using it to try and rubbish a pretty decent day one assessment on a potential killer by claiming that two are more likely a killer pair working together than simply two people who see something scummy in the same person.

Its actually such a blatant case of symping i find myself struggling to believe it is actually symping.
At least HP didnt immediately vote for one of the two he pointed out as killer pair....he had to be subtle i suppose.
He waiting a full 30MINUTES before putting his vote on atrhal....like I said...sublte

Vote kessoh


While i find thyr slip interesting... what he said about his role does not make him definitely scum.

I like this post. I'm okay with the lack of quotes. People tend to go overboard with the whole wall o quotes anyway. Short concise well reasoned posts are what I preffer. But I digress.

Now that we know that Kesso is innocent do you still think that HP was trying to redirect attention? The only other person out there that was getting heat at the time was Thryllan. I could be wrong but I think there were 3 votes each on both Kesso and Thryllan when HP came on and posted his theory about Galain and Atrahal. Even though Kesso was getting the votes a good number of people sounded like they would have preferred to vote for Thryllan. A symp would have seem a small train on his master and also a few more players mentioning that his master was in their sites for a vote and deside to throw that BS case out there.

I'm convinced.

vote thryllan

No i am far from convinced of the Thyr case as it is.
Its all stems from a weirdly worded post that could (or could just as easily not) be a slip up.
And even it it was a slip up he could have just as easily been a roled inno as scum.

While i agree that his play is somewhat erratic.
And maybe a bit strange....i still dont see that as a sign of guilt in of itself.

however.
What could be the case is that perhaps the people pushing for the kessoh lynch...did so in order to misdirect us from a thyr lynch.
That i can agree with.
So my thinking "yesterday" that HP's symping was too good to be true was most certainly correct.
But what if we take that a bit further?

What if HP was correct in his suspicions of Galain and Atrahal...at least half correct.
Not that they where the killers.
But that they are symps.
Or maybe one killer and a symp following his lead.

Thyr makes a mistake, and these guys finger another player with a fairly decent case on someone else.
And viola they derailed thyrs lynch with the help of unwitting folks such as myself who bought into their decent case.

It stands to reason that a symp is not going to put forth a crap case in order to redirect attention.
He needs a relatively good one.


meh...but i am rambling now.


of course this is all conjecture.

so in short.... yes i could go for a thyr lynch today.
I feel if nothing else comes up its a decent lynch, as i think it will be a distraction for the rest of the game if not anyways.

doesn't a slip-up have to somehow involve something potentially incriminating? Not that it was a "slip-up" in the sense of supposed to have been to PS (or anyone else, no I do not have off-thread comms), but even if it were, what was I supposedly slipping up about? Oh noes my character has a long name?

[Galain]

Rashan, on 29 November 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Kessobahn in inno shocker. Anyway, on a related note, I found this post by Galain interesting:

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

RE the bolded part: Uhm, actually HP did discuss your cases, in that bit which you snipped off. And he came to the conclusion that you looked like you were colluding. I'm not saying that HP is right, but to rewrite history like that makes it look as if Galain is trying to highlight a target for the rest of us for the next day before the first lynch is even done.

Sorry, where? He quotes both cases in his post, but doesn't offer any discussion of them beyond the bit in my quote.

Does he have to? The case wasn't on him. Plenty of people haven't commented at all (me included) and he did. That you don't like what he found or think it merits a different reaction, well, too bad for you.
If you don't like it, vote him, if you can't be arsed, equally fine. But right now, it sounds a lot like HPs crime is that he didn't give you proper attention.

If he is discussing how he finds the existence of the cases suspicious, then yes, he should be discussing the merits of the case. If what he says is "This case is paper thin and there is no merit to it in my eyes", then that's fine, and from there it makes sense that he should find the case suspicious. But without that, it sounds like he has just gone "Ooh, two cases next to each other must be dodgy" and has not, in fact, bothered to read through everything as he claimed.

[Galain]

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

doesn't a slip-up have to somehow involve something potentially incriminating? Not that it was a "slip-up" in the sense of supposed to have been to PS (or anyone else, no I do not have off-thread comms), but even if it were, what was I supposedly slipping up about? Oh noes my character has a long name?

Actually, now that I think about it, Hojo is only two syllables. Unlikely that someone would have a 14 syllable name if they were a Hojo unless their first name was an absolute monster...hmm, I shall have to think about this.

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

doesn't a slip-up have to somehow involve something potentially incriminating? Not that it was a "slip-up" in the sense of supposed to have been to PS (or anyone else, no I do not have off-thread comms), but even if it were, what was I supposedly slipping up about? Oh noes my character has a long name?

I always figured it was intentional and roleplay. 14 syllables in two names kind of precludes Hojo as a familyname so at its worst it might be a bit of a red herring from scum, but hey, it is not like anyone is going to discount a case on you because you once said on day 1 that you had a name that has more syllables than any Hojo on wiki has. Nor does it add up to Ashikaga Matamoto, either. Also, every single Rot3K game featured people moaning about their name on day 1, (or on any other day when they lost track of who appeared where in which story).

[Omtose]

Heh, I was all set give my suspicions on Tiam, and then he gets NK'd. His quotes were so middle of the road and his vote on Kesso looked suspicious as well.. anyway...

I don't see much in the Thyr "case" regarding that misquote or PM or whatever you want to call it. The reactions afterwards have been interesting though.

Emur is ringing some bells though. First he says this (all underlines/italics are mine):

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

Kesso was inno. Hmm. Can't say I'm surprised, day 1 lynched rarely turn out scum.

I have to leave briefly, but I'll be here most of the day.

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Why are people acting like they didn't expect Kesso to be scum? Then why the fuck did you vote for him? That's scummy talking. There was a point when kesso vs thyr was pretty close. I suppose that excludes thyr

Does it seem like it's 2 different people posting? I mean just 1 page earlier he isn't surprised that Kesso is inno, and then he bitches at people for saying that they thought he was going to be inno and voting for them. Which is exactly what he did and then he goes on to call them scum?!?!

vote Emurhlan

for talking out of both sides of your mouth.

EDIT: Firs--> First

This post has been edited by Omtose: 29 November 2011 - 05:52 PM

[Rashan]

Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 November 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

doesn't a slip-up have to somehow involve something potentially incriminating? Not that it was a "slip-up" in the sense of supposed to have been to PS (or anyone else, no I do not have off-thread comms), but even if it were, what was I supposedly slipping up about? Oh noes my character has a long name?

Actually, now that I think about it, Hojo is only two syllables. Unlikely that someone would have a 14 syllable name if they were a Hojo unless their first name was an absolute monster...hmm, I shall have to think about this.

So, now you are convinced he does have a 14 syllable name? :facepalm:
Imho, you take things a tiny bit too literally and as I said above, he might lie about it and actually have a name 4 syllables long. Which makes Hojo an option, then. Or just a load of them, and he could be anyone. Which is my personal opinion of this matter. Not even Hideyoshi Toyotomi or Anayama Nobukimi or Hakikano Masatsugu have that many syllables (and before you ask: the last two are Takeda generals, and it is highly unlikely the Takeda feature in this game).