[Emurlahn]

Anomandaris, on 06 December 2011 - 01:37 PM, said:

if you have a better suspect list go ahead. Emurlahn clearly doesnt trust tennes, hence the vote. i only discount him for today because of the quote above from tiamatha agreeing with him on thread that if he was a killer would have made him think tiam was a possible symp especially given that it was day 1. I am simply looking at who remains and trying to find the most suspicious from the evidence i have. Theres only a single vote on anyone so there is no attempt at speed lynching either. Instead of complaining about people voting for you why not give us who you think is the most suspicious rather than relying on simply asking other people to speak and acting like thats enough of a tactic to survive.

Neither I nor hp are confirmed town, we definitely arent scum but theres no reason for anyone to simply believe everything we say as both of us should be treated as possibly symps at the very least. There is plenty of evidence though and scope to go after the likely scum left in the game and if you see a flaw in my logic point it out and give the reasons. I havent made it through the whole thread yet to see what other connections there are to mockra so i might have missed something.

I'm glad you pointed this out. It is possible that one or both of you are symps. For that reason I encourage the townies reading this to make their own observations, not rely on those of Ano or whoever.

I did an overall read through. I don't feel any better, but I still want tennes dead. And gamelon. Those are the two I'd be willing to vote for/find tonight the most.

[Tennes]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

These two quotes from meanas makes me tend to agree with your evaluation of him Ano....

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm totally down with a Mockra lynch. That was some really dodgy stuff yesterday after Ruse was getting all kinds of heat.

That said, I'm voting for Ruse right now because that's who was saved by the misdirection.

Vote Ruse

not something i would think a killer partner would be saying that early in the game...drawing attention to his partner would be pointless.

Your last quote there actually makes me want to vote Meanas more. My Mockra case was NOT good. This looks more like a killer distancing himself from his partner but not actually leveling any serious accusations. Hasn't Meanas been pretty middle of the road so far?

remember, coupled with this....Mockra actually called for a meanas mod kill....at least thats what Ano said.

I am not giving meanas a free pass here...just trying to tie up all the evidence the best i can

[Tennes]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 December 2011 - 01:37 PM, said:

if you have a better suspect list go ahead. Emurlahn clearly doesnt trust tennes, hence the vote. i only discount him for today because of the quote above from tiamatha agreeing with him on thread that if he was a killer would have made him think tiam was a possible symp especially given that it was day 1. I am simply looking at who remains and trying to find the most suspicious from the evidence i have. Theres only a single vote on anyone so there is no attempt at speed lynching either. Instead of complaining about people voting for you why not give us who you think is the most suspicious rather than relying on simply asking other people to speak and acting like thats enough of a tactic to survive.

Neither I nor hp are confirmed town, we definitely arent scum but theres no reason for anyone to simply believe everything we say as both of us should be treated as possibly symps at the very least. There is plenty of evidence though and scope to go after the likely scum left in the game and if you see a flaw in my logic point it out and give the reasons. I havent made it through the whole thread yet to see what other connections there are to mockra so i might have missed something.

I'm glad you pointed this out. It is possible that one or both of you are symps. For that reason I encourage the townies reading this to make their own observations, not rely on those of Ano or whoever.

I did an overall read through. I don't feel any better, but I still want tennes dead. And gamelon. Those are the two I'd be willing to vote for/find tonight the most.

I dunno what your beef with me is...gut?
I cant argue against someones gut.


Let me say this.
If i was a killer pair with mockra....do you really think we would have worked in seeming cohesion on that whole HP case that people seem to keep harping on about?

[Emurlahn]

Honestly, if I had to choose (not knowing Mockra was a killer), I would say that you were the killer, and Mockra was a symp trying to keep his killer alive by backing you up. Obviously Mockra was a killer, and he seemed to be defending you. Seems like a good first place to look, coupled with my gut.

But yes, it's a gut feeling. There's not much you can do against that until I go back and look at some posts later today.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 06 December 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Well then, seems like a lot has been worked out in my absence. First of all, I am tired of being called scummy with no clarification. I seem to recall a case done by Galain yesterday that was met with....well nothing. No one except Emur commented and frankly I thought that town finally recognized one of its own.

Fast forward to after the finder reveal and precision strike on scum yesterday. All of the sudden, I am scummy once again, but this time with a whole lot less substance to the arguments. I mean how am I to argue against "I made this argument at this time and then this person argued the same thing right after me." Must be scum ... despite the second person coming up inno after being offed last night.

And then we have Tennes, magically townie by some stretch of the imagination. I don't remember Emur clearing him, but Anom thinks he is clear, so it must be so. Most of what Tennes has done during the game is attack HP's day one case. Now, if I recall correctly, Mockra also spent a fair amount of time picking at HP early on as well. Moreover, other than the occasional book comment here and there, most of Tennes posts are fluff, such as that whole codeine adventure a couple days back.

Now if I recall correctly, several people were spouting that today was D-day or very close. We nailed Hojo, but as you say PS didn't confirm a win for us quite yet (not surprising, but work with me for a sec). So we have potentially 3 scum among the 9 remaining town. Three town are confirmed: HP, Emur, and Anom. If we get the wrong person today, and scum NKs town (which is a safe bet considering there are now bona-fide townie grade targets), we are down to 3 vs 4, which is very bad for us.

So, let's try not to speed lynch today hmmmm. I am glad we just cut to the chase and cut out Mockra, but I want to hear from the rest of the unconfirmed people today (e.g. Omtose, Meanas, Spite, and Gamelon) and then really want to hear from HP, since he is the last of our trusted trio.

This whole post is very wishy washy to me.
Seriously look at the highlighted bit.
When last have i spoken about the HP case?
that came to an end as soon as we got day 2's lynch CF
I was wrong...i moved on.
Everyone else keeps bringing me and the stupid HP case up.

I have since then made many more arguments that have now been conveniently ignored by Atrahal.


Yes i have greed with Mockra about stuff.
Scum are not going to spout shit. People will invariably agree with scum.
Yes we have argued the same cases sometimes.
But we have also not agreed on things.

And why would i be so buddy buddy with my fellow killer on thread anyways?
thats just looking for trouble if one of us gets a CF.
Hence the reason i like the omtose case for the lack of interaction between himself and Mockra.

[Tennes]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Honestly, if I had to choose (not knowing Mockra was a killer), I would say that you were the killer, and Mockra was a symp trying to keep his killer alive by backing you up. Obviously Mockra was a killer, and he seemed to be defending you. Seems like a good first place to look, coupled with my gut.

But yes, it's a gut feeling. There's not much you can do against that until I go back and look at some posts later today.

or...he was just piggy backing on a sound argument in order to look helpful.

[Tennes]

why the hell didnt you just do a find on me last night then?

you calling me your main suspect for how long now and you go for someone else?

[Emurlahn]

Honestly, I figured you would have been lynched by now without my help. Plenty of people have mentioned that you're suspicious, I figured someone would have acted upon it.

I still like Gamelon,

And Omtose, now that you mention it. Forgot to comment on that after reading one of the posts.

I NEED to know if you're inno or not. Its killing me

[Tennes]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

Honestly, I figured you would have been lynched by now without my help. Plenty of people have mentioned that you're suspicious, I figured someone would have acted upon it.

I still like Gamelon,

And Omtose, now that you mention it. Forgot to comment on that after reading one of the posts.

I NEED to know if you're inno or not. Its killing me

well i OBVIOUSLY was not lynched yesterday.... last night you could have done a find on me...i find it strange that you went for someone else.

but watever...

[Tennes]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

I NEED to know if you're inno or not. Its killing me

sorry...but your gut it wrong with this one.

[Emurlahn]

That's just fine that you say that. I'd like to hear others' opinions on stuff.

For now.

Remove Vote

Vote Gamelon

[Tennes]

I still havent made up my mind yet.

Omtose and Gamelon are a very similar case for me.
Both have exceedingly little interaction with Mockra.
Wich says a lot to me.

Atrahal on the other hand he has had mockra defend him by attacking HP's case day 1.
I also attacked HP day one... yes...yes.. again you need to decide if we would actively work together on thread like that as a killer pair?
Now weather Mockra did it to seem helpful i dont know.
But if you think about it he could have just let the inno's attack each other without stepping in there...

meh...i dunno.

[Spite]

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

These two quotes from meanas makes me tend to agree with your evaluation of him Ano....

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm totally down with a Mockra lynch. That was some really dodgy stuff yesterday after Ruse was getting all kinds of heat.

That said, I'm voting for Ruse right now because that's who was saved by the misdirection.

Vote Ruse

not something i would think a killer partner would be saying that early in the game...drawing attention to his partner would be pointless.

I was all set to start a case on Meanas today. There was a large block of posts where he came on and accused a good number of players, added a few one liners and disapeared. If that wasn't symp play I don't know what is. It was a shotgun approach. Shoot at a bunch of players and what? hope that something stuck? It put a lot of questions in a lot of peoples minds about a lot of other players. Then to top it off he came on and voted for Ruse and then he said he could be down with voting out Mockra. I'm not yet set on not voting Meanas today.

[Spite]

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 December 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Well then, seems like a lot has been worked out in my absence. First of all, I am tired of being called scummy with no clarification. I seem to recall a case done by Galain yesterday that was met with....well nothing. No one except Emur commented and frankly I thought that town finally recognized one of its own.

Fast forward to after the finder reveal and precision strike on scum yesterday. All of the sudden, I am scummy once again, but this time with a whole lot less substance to the arguments. I mean how am I to argue against "I made this argument at this time and then this person argued the same thing right after me." Must be scum ... despite the second person coming up inno after being offed last night.

And then we have Tennes, magically townie by some stretch of the imagination. I don't remember Emur clearing him, but Anom thinks he is clear, so it must be so. Most of what Tennes has done during the game is attack HP's day one case. Now, if I recall correctly, Mockra also spent a fair amount of time picking at HP early on as well. Moreover, other than the occasional book comment here and there, most of Tennes posts are fluff, such as that whole codeine adventure a couple days back.

Now if I recall correctly, several people were spouting that today was D-day or very close. We nailed Hojo, but as you say PS didn't confirm a win for us quite yet (not surprising, but work with me for a sec). So we have potentially 3 scum among the 9 remaining town. Three town are confirmed: HP, Emur, and Anom. If we get the wrong person today, and scum NKs town (which is a safe bet considering there are now bona-fide townie grade targets), we are down to 3 vs 4, which is very bad for us.

So, let's try not to speed lynch today hmmmm. I am glad we just cut to the chase and cut out Mockra, but I want to hear from the rest of the unconfirmed people today (e.g. Omtose, Meanas, Spite, and Gamelon) and then really want to hear from HP, since he is the last of our trusted trio.

Galain's case didn't make you seem more than a bit scummy, which everyone seems at this point.

On my instincts: I want Tennes gone.
On my reading: I want Gamelon gone.

Also, think of it this way. Tomorrow, assuming our healer keeps doing his job, we will know that 4 out of 7 are not killers, so we would have a much smaller pool to pick from.

Okay I have to play devil's advicate. First, how do you know there is even a healer? Second, and this has been bothering me the most, no offense or anything, but why are you even still alive? Your reveal was plenty early enough that if there are paired killers out there they would have most certainly targeted you. You are a direct threat to them. They had to risk a healer out there to take you out. You are too dangerous to them.

I'm not calling you scum and I believe that HP and Ano are not killers because of your reveal mostly because you were right about Mockra being a member of the Hojo. I just want it stated that I find it highly suspicious that you are still even alive. If there was no night kill last night then it would have been a slam dunk in my book but there was a night kill.

So the only possible explaination that I can think of right now is that the paired killers are in distictly different time zones and that makes it very difficult for them to coordinate who they want to kill. I think that will be what I will look at for who might be the other killer.

[Spite]

Anomandaris, on 06 December 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

Revised list

Spite - Didnt like the whole remove then finally hammer tactic, was very absent last week (would be a fairly cheap scum tactic)
Tennes - wanted to hear from mockra which is fairly common inno move to gain info. voted for him. no previous vote connection. Big symp like clue from tiam who ended up dead same day and came back inno quoted above (PI)

I removed my vote because my vote put him at L-1 and there was plenty of time left in the day. I didn't want someone to come on after me and hammer him because Mockra came on and stated that he had his own reveal and I thought it prudent to wait to see what he had to say. It was no different than what Tennes stated what he wanted to do.

[Spite]

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

These two quotes from meanas makes me tend to agree with your evaluation of him Ano....

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm totally down with a Mockra lynch. That was some really dodgy stuff yesterday after Ruse was getting all kinds of heat.

That said, I'm voting for Ruse right now because that's who was saved by the misdirection.

Vote Ruse

not something i would think a killer partner would be saying that early in the game...drawing attention to his partner would be pointless.

Your last quote there actually makes me want to vote Meanas more. My Mockra case was NOT good. This looks more like a killer distancing himself from his partner but not actually leveling any serious accusations. Hasn't Meanas been pretty middle of the road so far?

remember, coupled with this....Mockra actually called for a meanas mod kill....at least thats what Ano said.

I am not giving meanas a free pass here...just trying to tie up all the evidence the best i can

But there is a possibility that Meanas is a symp (that is my personal opinion of Meanas anyway) so it's very possible that Mockra wouldn't know that Meanas is on his team. But given that I think he is more of a symp canidate then you are probably right and we should look elsewhere for our killer.

[Spite]

I was going back taking a look at Omtose especially after Emurlahn did his finder reveal. For one he did a cross post with Mockra when Mockra came on and posted his "counter" reveal. They were on at the same time so that shoots down him for a candidate for vastly different time zone theory. The only thing that was bothering me about Omtose yesterday was that he wanted to ramrod the Mockra lynch through and had no interest whatsoever in hearing what Mockra had to say. Distancing? Looks like it but really it was a no brainer that Mockra was going to get lynched yesterday. It was just a matter of time. So that leaves Gamelon.

Gamelon was decidedly absent on thread but he posted enough during Mockra's march to the gallows that he could have confirmed a night kill on Emurlahn. He is a strong candidate for me but I will now need to look at Atrahal and Meanas.

[Spite]

Also it looks like I'm hanging out by myself right now providing everyone with a nice monologue of my ramblings.

[Spite]

Okay neither Meanas nor Atrahal posted after Emurlahn posted his reveal. Atrahal posted after there was a lynch and a resolution and we still haven't heard from Meanas. So if my theory of a killer not being able to confirm a kill on Emurlahn is correct then the killer has to be either Meanas or Atrahal. Of the two I think Meanas is scummier.

vote meanas

[Emurlahn]

You know I hadn't thought of that. I figured the killers didn't target me because they assumed I was being healed. I didn't want to put it into their mind that there might not be a healer If it was just not being able to confirm a kill, that is a VERY good theory. I like all those posts. I am ready to lynch Meanas, I think.