[Spite]

Okay a backwards read though just to see what important info was revealed as I don't want to waste a full day when things more pressing have presented themselves. Emurlahn has came on and claimed finder. As this isn't (likely) D-Day his find gives us one of two options. Lynch Mockra who I still have a gut feeling from way back to when I was still active with his suspicious summary. If he CFs as town lynch Emurlahn. Either way we get one scum and we push D-Day back a day.

[Spite]

Vote Mockra

Looks like we are definately going for a test reveal theory. That give me time to look back or most likely go get some work done.

[Mockra]

Checking in...only to see a speed lynch in progress based on our first reveal. I don't know that I'll have time to respond before the hammer falls but are you guys seriously going through with this before I even get to defend myself? Well, I'll have my own little reveal coming up if I get the chance...

[Spite]

Remove vote

There is plenty of time. Let's see what Mockra has to say for himself.

[Emurlahn]

Oh good, hereeee we go.

[Spite]

I'm still a few pages back but I just have to comment on all the finger pointing going on by everybody. There is a lot of good stuff I have to pay attention to.

[Mockra]

Ok. The network here at work is going in and out, so I apologize for the wait. I'm Ashikaga Mitsuharu, son of Ashikaga Masamoto. My orders say that I have a special mission from the Shogun to investigate radical elements in the Eastern provinces. There is even a warning that this mission may appear to my father that I am betraying him. This made more sense to me as the game has progressed, as the OP and most of the death scenes have indicated some kind of internal betrayal or suspicion of betrayal. My best guess from this was that any info passed to Masamoto about my alignment would be wrong. I have a single vig that I cannot use until I've "successfully eliminated half of the Hojo clan plotting against the Ashikagas." I assume this means one killer has to die before I can use my action.

I didn't anticipate that Masamoto would actually be a finder, I thought it more likely that a finder would pass his results onto Masamoto, but either way I knew if Masamoto got find results on me I was toast. I've been trying to stay alive until endgame since otherwise the vig and my role are wasted but I thought I had a pretty good chance of making it. Since no one has countered Emur's reveal I assume he must really be Masamoto, which would make sense because he thinks I'm "plotting against his authority", as he said. My role was double-edged in that a vig could save the game for town in the end but the odds of me getting to use it were fairly slim.

Mostly I'm concerned that like he said, a wrong lynch and NK puts us at D-Day tomorrow, and I can't see the point of speed lynching so early in the day when it could put us in such a bad spot. If anything I'd say let's at least wait some hours until timeout is closer to give me a chance to make a case on another target. I never got to do the read-through on Anomander that I wanted but right now we basically have no other targets besides myself. Waiting before you lynch me at least until everyone gets a chance for some discussion seems prudent but instead we have half of players just jumping on the train... That worries me more than anything - stuff like Spite appearing from nowhere and laying down a vote after days and days of nothing.

Anyway, I assume that Emur is revealing in good faith, although I found it extremely odd how hard he tried to make a case on me. If anything I say at least use the day to our advantage before testing the reveal.

[Omtose]

I am back. Looks like finder reveal... I thought things were too quiet on the reveal front Hopefully we still have a healer.

The only thing that kind of sets off bells is that the last find was NK'd.. but everything else checks out. He tried to make a case on Mockra.. failed.. come to D-day or almost D-day and you have to reveal. I am pretty confident that this reveal is on the up and up.

I don't really care what Mockra has to say. He is just going to deny it. and confuse the thread.

vote Mockra

[Omtose]

Heh-

X-post

[Emurlahn]

Relatively convincing, Mockra. Unfortunately, you were my only succesful find. So a lynch on you would test your reveal, yeah? Much higher chance of hitting scum by lynching you than going after anyone else here. Your supposed day vig could just as easily fuck the game up for town at endgame. I don't particularly like vigs.

[Emurlahn]

Also, that seems a bit complicated for a M&P game.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 05 December 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

Also, that seems a bit complicated for a M&P game.

This isn't M&P but low TMDI, correct? Otherwise I'd agree with you. Of course you can lynch me to test this but then it may be D Day like you said.

I'm posting from my phone cause the net is down here at work.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 05 December 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:

Relatively convincing, Mockra. Unfortunately, you were my only succesful find. So a lynch on you would test your reveal, yeah? Much higher chance of hitting scum by lynching you than going after anyone else here. Your supposed day vig could just as easily fuck the game up for town at endgame. I don't particularly like vigs.

Yep true, a vig could mess things up but it seemed to me that the restrictions on its use were designed to prevent someone nuking a townie on day 1.

Still my best plan is to see what comes from the rest of day (30 hours or something right?) before pulling the trigger.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 05 December 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:

Relatively convincing, Mockra. Unfortunately, you were my only succesful find. So a lynch on you would test your reveal, yeah? Much higher chance of hitting scum by lynching you than going after anyone else here. Your supposed day vig could just as easily fuck the game up for town at endgame. I don't particularly like vigs.

Also what do you mean your only successful find? You said on day 1 you found Anom successfully ...

I suppose you could be lying since only about half of the players still alive have checked in so far today.

[Spite]

Atrahal, on 02 December 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

Ok, I've been reading straight through the posts of people, and so far (well, I'm not done reading yet), I really don't like the looks of Meanas.

I know he seems a bit more active, but to tell the truth, most of what he does is post massive amounts of quotes and then give a one or two liner comment, usually along the lines of "Interesting catch" or "I liked these three posts. Basically point, counterpoint, and counterpoint. Just sayin." I tried looking for some original thinking, but wasn't actually able to find any. Mostly just agreement with other people's statements and side comments like "Alas D'rek"


However, currently Ruse is a lot worse in this respect, especially with all the moaning about being today's lynch target without doing anything about it (e.g. defending himself, giving us better targets, etc). I'm getting the feeling that lynching Ruse is just a waste of time for town, another night when scum has a chance to knock one of us off, but I'm not sure we have much of a choice.


I really don't like the idea of letting people float on, especially since often scum vary their play style to make sure at least one of them is sticking around like a cold sore. But we already seem to be giving Spite a free pass (who was it that said that they would use that as a scum trick in another game? maybe Spite discovered the trick early...) and unless some of the people with low content slip up, like Ruse, so far we lynch the more controversial members, who talk more...


I dunno, I'm really not sure what to do with all this. I want to trim off dead skin in fear of gangrenous parts, but I also don't want to waste time and give scum a chance to pick us off before we whittle the population down to active players.


So, I know that this has already been said, but, Ruse, step up to the fucking plate. Meanas, give us more than just quotes with one line follow-up nonsense. Spite, either have someone outside the game take your role or let PS kill you off for us.

I did mention that I would be more active this week and if that wasn't good enough then I asked to be modkilled. Apparently there wasn't enough complaint about my absence therefore I'm still around. I've also posted more in the last few hours than most of last week. I'm not going to let town get screwed. From what I can tell we need to lynch either Mockra or Emurlahn but I'm not sure which it should be right now. Conventional wisdom says it should be Mockra but his defense has given me some pause. As you can tell by me quoting this post I'm still not all the way through my read through and I have work piling up that demands my attention very soon. I'm doing the best that I can and we still have a lot of time left in the day.

[Emurlahn]

By succesful I meant succesful in finding scum Of course if I had found 2 scum I would have revealed anyway, so I suppose that doesn't really matter. And my find on Ano doesn't count him out as a symp, either. You just seem the obvious choice, ya know?

[Omtose]

There is no way we are getting around a Mockra lynch today. It's going to happen. If he comes back scum, yay,

Emur Will be NK'd (if we don't have a healer) and we will be forced to find the last killer on our own.


If he comes back town, We lynch Emur and we are down a scum.

Not sure what we will waste all day talking about other than having Mockra on thread spreading disinformation and fake roles etc. In a low TDMI there is no way that we have a finder AND someone that messes with the Find of the finder. That makes no sense.

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 05 December 2011 - 02:04 PM, said:

11 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Spite, Tennes,

So at the start of day tomorrow we'll have 7 possible people for Killer. (strike through your name instead of mine if you are inno) .

I am thinking more the Galain, Gamelon, HP for the last killer. Once we get a Mockra CF i'll do some digging.

[Mockra]

Omtose, on 05 December 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

There is no way we are getting around a Mockra lynch today. It's going to happen. If he comes back scum, yay,

Emur Will be NK'd (if we don't have a healer) and we will be forced to find the last killer on our own.


If he comes back town, We lynch Emur and we are down a scum.

Not sure what we will waste all day talking about other than having Mockra on thread spreading disinformation and fake roles etc. In a low TDMI there is no way that we have a finder AND someone that messes with the Find of the finder. That makes no sense.

Heh, eager much? First you say you don't even want to hear what I have to say and now my lynch is inevitable? Sounds more like you are not interested in seeing what may result from the days discussion. As for the finder results making no sense well you described the role of a symp exactly but then say it's impossible. Which is obviously wrong. Not very consistent Omtose.

[Emurlahn]

If he actually comes up inno, I'll kick myself. I really doubt he will though.