[Meanas]

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 01 December 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 01 December 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

missed out that you ask why i voted with you when i state that you derailed a vote - i said hp tried derailing by voting for you, not sure were i imply you did a derailment, if it reads that way its unintentiaonal.

When I did my little mini-case on you, Ano, I initially read it the same way as Atrahal had (and was about to do a WTF ANO! post about it), but then I realised what you had actually meant. So just saying that Atrahal is not the only one to have been confused by what you were referring to

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Conclusion: He posts fairly frequently, but doesn't do much to actually contribute. He DOES question other cases constantly, but doesn't really make any of his own. He's pretty damn middle of the road, and until my reread had mostly slipped by my attention by being so damn unremarkable. He has recieved little to no heat for being middle of the road, so here it goes.

Vote Mockra

If Mockra ends up scum, we have quite a few damn good connections to look at.

I like this suspicion of Mockra. Not just because I voted for him day 1, but because he has been the type to make long posts with a lot of quotes but not much actual content - like Emur says, perhaps a scum seeing things are going their way and being able to coast. However, one thing I have to disagree on is the HP link you make, Emur. Mockra was the first one to accuse HP of contradicting himself (and then Tennes jumped on it too).

If Mockra is a killer, partnered with Ruse (my theory), HP is the one that symped them strongly most recently (imo), killers don't know their symp, i would assume, so he made a random case to make sure his killer(s) don't get lynched, and his killer picked it apart to seem like he was contributing.

Admittedly, my HP idea is my least strong of the 3. Mockra I'm feeling pretty good about, if Mockra comes up scum (based on the actions of Mockra during the end of yesterday) I'll feel pretty good about Ruse too.

[Meanas]

I'm totally down with a Mockra lynch. That was some really dodgy stuff yesterday after Ruse was getting all kinds of heat.

That said, I'm voting for Ruse right now because that's who was saved by the misdirection.

Vote Ruse

[Omtose]

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

Omtose, on 30 November 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Hello- I am here and all caught up. Right now I agree with Osseric ( maybe Galain?) I think we should be looking at people on the end of the Kesso train. Meaning Ruse and Anno. They both came on and gave reasonable justification for their votes, but someone...can't remember who, came on and actually defended Ruse's vote. That struck me as odd. I'll try to go back and find it. So for now

remove vote

vote ruse.

i'll be here off and on all day, but i am at work and don't have uch time to post. I *should* be around for lynch time

You hadn't even voted yet today, according to P-S. That's kind of suspicious for you to forget.

I had voted, PS just missed it. (See below)

Omtose, on 29 November 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

Heh, I was all set give my suspicions on Tiam, and then he gets NK'd. His quotes were so middle of the road and his vote on Kesso looked suspicious as well.. anyway...

I don't see much in the Thyr "case" regarding that misquote or PM or whatever you want to call it. The reactions afterwards have been interesting though.

Emur is ringing some bells though. First he says this (all underlines/italics are mine):

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

Kesso was inno. Hmm. Can't say I'm surprised, day 1 lynched rarely turn out scum.

I have to leave briefly, but I'll be here most of the day.

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Why are people acting like they didn't expect Kesso to be scum? Then why the fuck did you vote for him? That's scummy talking. There was a point when kesso vs thyr was pretty close. I suppose that excludes thyr

Does it seem like it's 2 different people posting? I mean just 1 page earlier he isn't surprised that Kesso is inno, and then he bitches at people for saying that they thought he was going to be inno and voting for them. Which is exactly what he did and then he goes on to call them scum?!?!

vote Emurhlan

for talking out of both sides of your mouth.

EDIT: Firs--> First

[Omtose]

Anomandaris, on 01 December 2011 - 08:53 AM, said:

Seems like I missed an awful lot going on. Very surprised people tried to build a case on the fact I said two and fro - given that the voting at the time was 3v3 so that was pretty much an accurate description of the proceedings at that time. If you deliberately look for the same choice of words its easy to make links between people.

The amount of people surprised by the cf's for example is in my view quite odd and i could build a case on signalling from that with about as much credibility as that ruse one had. Also are people trying to guess the night kill targets and thats why they cant believe who the killers are going for? Dislike when players self vote but it was for the best, if thyr had of been about today the game would have been held up with another day of debate between players looking for their lynch and it would have givent hem a free kill of rashan.

Looking through all the players and trying to ignore osserics boner for me its clear a few players are pushing the game the way they want it to go. its not always a scum tactic but as an inno tactic when you are trying to find players it makes it very hard for everyone else given that we do not know their allegiance. Most notable in this group are in particular order - tennes, osseric, galain and emurlahn. A few players arent on very much, myself and spite most notably. Then we have the middle group players who seem like they want to push things (hp, ruse and atrahal) and those willing the simply follow the herd (gamelon, meanas, omtose)

Screw you hippy, I am the one who wouldn't follow the Thyr Herd and STARTED the Ruse train. Skim much? You look like you are taking up your aggresion after getting some heat yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 01 December 2011 - 08:53 AM, said:

Omtose, - Made a very long post about the day 1 train and stated he didnt find me suspicious as he typed the post then changed that at the bottom. Dont like contradictions.

Omtose, on 29 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Just want to get the train up so it's easily findable for reference. (More for me than anyone) . I started it where we were at 3 vs. 3

Path-Shaper, on 29 November 2011 - 06:43 AM, said:

Ano makes a good point about HP here.

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

Good justifiacation for a vote here. Things make sense. Doesn't mean he isn't scum, but it seems too well thought out to be suspicious in my eyes.

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

Here is one of the posts that led me to believe Tia was scum. ( so much for my instincts.) he just seems to make the train on Kesso inevitable, and doesn't back up his vote.

Tiamatha, on 29 November 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

This vote is the most suspicious in my eyes. Wishy-washy with a smattering of "we need a lynch"

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hammer vote. As stated before, we were down to deadline. hard to reead anything from this vote as inno or scum would have ample reason to hammer as we run up to deadline on day 1.

Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

After all that, it strikes me as odd that the killers chose Tiam for the NK. ( I know I know.. WIFOM) Killers generally are looking for their symps early, they must have felt Tiam was a safe kill. I am curious as to why. I'll go give his posts another gander.

Also, after the swing, the Anno and Ruse votes look the most shady to my eyes. It definately swung to Kesso quickly. Hard to believe that it was all innos on the train after it was 3 vs. 3.

Once again you read wrong, I said your vote made a good point about HP. (It did), I made no comment on you or your scumminess/innocence. At the end of the post I said your vote, based upon position, looked the scummiest. I still stand by that.


EDIT: Took out a quote I will be using in my next post that I had included by mistake. (See below)

This post has been edited by Omtose: 01 December 2011 - 05:58 PM

[Omtose]

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:

It is Day 2, A lynch has occurred.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

6 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon, Ruse, Thyrllan, Emurlahn.
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Galain, Osseric, Atrahal





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Hood's Path, Tennes


Masamoto banged his fist on the serving tray, rattling the fine china and spilling the small vase containing a bright spring flower. This lovely jaunt into the country provinces was turning chaotic. He had awoken that morning to a lovely day, and had intended to spend the afternoon hawking in the mountains. And then word of this...tragedy? mistake? good news? had reached him. The worst part of course was he wasnt entirely certain what to believe. Had Chachamaru really been plotting against him? Somehow that seemed unlikely because Chachamaru`s professed hatred of the Hojo seemed real enough. Of course, Masamoto wasnt unaware of his son`s disdain for his limited role in the family. But treachery? No, no, it seemed a little too far-fetched. Still, his agents claimed to have overheard some strange comments and took it upon themselves to act on his behest. Knowing Chachamaru, when confronted he had likely been arrogant and unforthcoming which had most likely incensed the lordlings even further. No matter the facts of the matter, the simple truth was his son was dead, and that death was likely the first promise of more chaos to come.

Thryllan (D`rek) has been lynched. She was Chachamaru, Loyal to the Shogunate

Can't help but feel like the 'son' was a bad person to lynch off. Alas, D'rek.

I feel that if D'rek were integral/ a power role she wouldn't have voted herself of. She would have allowed herself at least another NA and taken the lynch/WIFOM wasted next day in exchange for a night to do actions. She might have been a successor to someone (Rashan) but she couldn't have known he would be killed.

@D'rek thanks for the self vote. You saved us a whole day of himming and hawing and eventually lynching you.

[Omtose]

Damn, that NK... I had pegged Rashan as inno on day one. Odd kill in that he was starting to garner some heat. and the only person he really had beef with was Thyr...who was inno. WIFOM goooooooooooo!

[Omtose]

Well, based on the fact that there was so much resistance to the Ruse lynch, and that the case from yesterday still stands:

vote Ruse

Interesting points on Mockra, but I think we can more effectively gain connections from a Ruse lynch rather than using a Mockra lynch to determine Ruse's allegience. (Really that only works if Mockra comes back as scum)

Meanas brings up a good point about Gamelon and Mockra coming on and taking a Ruse lynch out of the picture. A Ruse CF should tell us a lot.

[Omtose]

Also, I don't think Spite would be scum based on his last post. Scum would lurk and try to keep playing rather than ruin the game.

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:

It is Day 2, A lynch has occurred.


8 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon, Ruse, Thyrllan, Emurlahn.
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Galain, Osseric, Atrahal

Players not voting: Anomandaris, Hood's Path, Tennes,

This is where the trains swung from 4 for Ruse, 3 for Thyr...to 5 For Thyr 4 for Ruse.

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

If Ruse is scum, we can really look at Gamelon and Mockra for scum. If Ruse is inno, I'd bet it's more likely that game and Mockra are inno because why would scum go on the train that had less people? Who knows..but it's just a guideline and can help us down the road. I think we get the most info from a Ruse train.

I am also suspicious of the Late Atrahal vote on Ruse. If Ruse comes back inno.. I think Atrahal is a good place to look.

[Gamelon]

Omtose, on 01 December 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

Well, based on the fact that there was so much resistance to the Ruse lynch, and that the case from yesterday still stands:

vote Ruse

Interesting points on Mockra, but I think we can more effectively gain connections from a Ruse lynch rather than using a Mockra lynch to determine Ruse's allegience. (Really that only works if Mockra comes back as scum)

Meanas brings up a good point about Gamelon and Mockra coming on and taking a Ruse lynch out of the picture. A Ruse CF should tell us a lot.

I didn't take a Ruse lynch out of anything. I voted Thyr because I believed she was scum. I even came back at the end of time to participate and stated I could switch, but that was not the way it worked out. I don't see any way you can say that I am connected to Ruse.

[Osseric]

I'm back and I should be around for a few hours. Glad to see Meanas joining in (though that does now mean I can't discount him as scum anymore ) Instinctively I feel more drawn to a Mockra lynch than a Ruse one, though I think both arguments for a lynch have merit. What I'm thinking is if we lynch Mockra, and he turns out to be scum, then I think Tennes will be connected too, due to their double attack on HP.

The other person I can't get out of my head is Anomandaris, but I'm really not sure how to pursue that one as I've not heard many other thoughts on it (a sign that no one feels the same perhaps?).

[Emurlahn]

I don't really get a terribly scummy feeling from Ano, personally. That's why I haven't really put my thoughts out there.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3, 17 hours and 12 minutes are left in the day.

13 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Spite, Tennes,

7 votes to lynch

1 vote Galain: Anomandaris
1 vote Mockra: Emurlahn
2 votes Ruse: Meanas, Omtose

Players not voting: Atrahal, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Mockra, Osseric, Ruse, Spite, Tennes

[Emurlahn]

I have an event tomorrow all day. I'm going to bring my laptop, so I will most likely be able to post, but no promises. Figured I'd let you know early.

[Path-Shaper]

Notice on the Weekend

My weekend starts at the end of today's timeout, so that's when the weekend break will commence. I will resolve Day 3 and Night 3, and then freeze the timer.

The timer will unfreeze at the same time the game started this week (Noon, Japan time on Monday).

[Osseric]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2011 - 10:20 PM, said:

I don't really get a terribly scummy feeling from Ano, personally. That's why I haven't really put my thoughts out there.

AHA! A defence of Ano! Now I know if Ano turns out to be scum, you'll be in league with him!

A joke, a joke.

................................


But seriously, I'm watching you.

Joke!

.........................................

[Osseric]

I'm off to take another look at Mockra then.

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 01 December 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:

It is Day 2, A lynch has occurred.


8 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon, Ruse, Thyrllan, Emurlahn.
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Galain, Osseric, Atrahal

Players not voting: Anomandaris, Hood's Path, Tennes,

This is where the trains swung from 4 for Ruse, 3 for Thyr...to 5 For Thyr 4 for Ruse.

Meanas, on 01 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

It is Day 2, 3 hours and 1 minute are left.

15 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan

8 votes to lynch

5 votes Thyrllan: Spite, Meanas, Rashan, Mockra, Gamelon
4 votes Ruse: Omtose, Thyrllan, Galain, Osseric





Players not voting: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ruse, Tennes,

Yeah, I'm a big fan of momentum. Mockra and Gamelon turbo vote Thyr when Ruse starts to build heat. Eenteresting.

If Ruse is scum, we can really look at Gamelon and Mockra for scum. If Ruse is inno, I'd bet it's more likely that game and Mockra are inno because why would scum go on the train that had less people? Who knows..but it's just a guideline and can help us down the road. I think we get the most info from a Ruse train.

I am also suspicious of the Late Atrahal vote on Ruse. If Ruse comes back inno.. I think Atrahal is a good place to look.

Care to elaborate? iirc, we had two people, Thyr and Ruse, that were neck and neck in votes when I put down my own vote. Ruse had finally started talking again right before I posted (which despite appearances of a 6 minute gap, was a cross post cause of shitty internet and a slow upload), but up to that point, Thyr was starting to actually cooperate, Ruse was posting nothing of value, and I had time before the end of the day to change my vote.

So why am I "Late"? and why am I suspicious?

[Osseric]

Ok, on a reread of Mockra's posts, I don't really see a connection with Ruse the way Emur paints it. Yes, Mockra voted for Thyrllan rather than Ruse, but actually that was quite consistent, since Mockra had numerous times said that Thyr seemed suspicious to them for various reasons. In addition, Mockra also puts some pressure on Ruse, asking them more than once to either up their game and contribute more or complaining when he felt Ruse was just ignoring him. Moreover, Mockra states that his suspects, after Thyrllan, were Ruse, HP, and maybe Ano - all of which is consistent with everything he had posted in the past.

The more I looked at, I have to say the less suspicious I became of Mockra.