[Path-Shaper]

My moon viewing party is over, off to bed for me.

[Osseric]

Thyrllan, on 30 November 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

Osseric, on 30 November 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 November 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Osseric, on 30 November 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think the reason why HP's ideas are being discussed is because Kessobahn turned out to be inno, which made the cases on him - as PS 'borrowed' from me - so much fart on the wind However, I do find it unlikely that killers would go to so much effort on day 1 to get someone lynched - especially when neither Galain nor Atrahal had received any pressure whatsoever. Now symps maybe.......

Anyway. For my money, if anyone on Kesso's train is scum, it's either Anomandaris or Ruse, and I favour Anomandaris (read my earlier post for a little more reasoning behind this).

The thing that I'm worried about with Thyrllan is that he is a roled inno. Despite his protestations that he was making a joke about his 'character', what worries me is that he didn't say 'character', he said 'role'. Of course, he could equally be scum. So in the end I'd be happy to vote for Thyrllan in order to clear that up and not let it gnaw on us

Wha... What's the diff? 'my character is bob dole' vs 'my role is bob dole' ? Everyone has a named role in this game, even if said role has no abilities. Am I wrong about that (and therefore some special case of an RI with a name)?

It's a small distinction I know, but it still worries me. Thyrllan, perhaps you could give some indication of where your suspicions lie, and why?

Maybe it's just the oddly dark avatar but my gut says Tennes. He's very present, enough that no one will look at him and think "he's been hiding!". But simultaneously, he hasn't really committed to anything and most of his talk is pointing out flaws in other cases rather than making or supporting them himself. The exception is his vote where he gives off a big bit of content because he doesn't want to get any accusations of piling on. Plus he's middle of the train....

That's interesting, actually. I noticed Tennes when he jumped onto Mockra's accusations of HP. While I thought Mockra was making a little much of HP's two posts, in reality it's Tennes who got quite - uhm - hysterical about it. Really trying to make something big out of it. Hmmm.

[Omtose]

Hello- I am here and all caught up. Right now I agree with Osseric ( maybe Galain?) I think we should be looking at people on the end of the Kesso train. Meaning Ruse and Anno. They both came on and gave reasonable justification for their votes, but someone...can't remember who, came on and actually defended Ruse's vote. That struck me as odd. I'll try to go back and find it. So for now

remove vote

vote ruse.

i'll be here off and on all day, but i am at work and don't have uch time to post. I *should* be around for lynch time

[Emurlahn]

Meanas, on 30 November 2011 - 08:26 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 November 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

It is Day 1, 16 hours and 40 minutes are left in the day.

17 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

1 vote Galain: Rashan
1 vote Tennes: Tiamatha
2 votes Rashan: Spite, Mockra
2 votes Thyrllan: Galain, Emurlahn
1 vote Mockra: Osseric
1 vote Kesso: Thryllan



17 Players still alive,

Players not voting
Anomandaris, Atrahal, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes

Galain swapped votes to Kesso right after Atrahal showed up and voted Kesso. Mockra came in and voted Thyr, along with Kesso, making it 3-all. Galain is suspicious for jumping. The vote for Thyr could have been signalling and he was eager to drop it when a better choice showed up. It could also be just flat out fake-symping from Galain.

Could be either/or, but when in doubt, vote for the symped, not the symp.

Vote Thyrllan

I was just looking at Meanas' posts to see if I actually believed he forgot he was playing. I expected to find suspicious behavior, but he actually did a good job of summing up for himself, kinda.

This post, especially. I must have missed or skimmed this the first time. I think this is a good point, possibly. I still see thyrllan as an interesting lynch, so.

Remove Vote

Vote Thyrllan

[Omtose]

It was Galain

Galain, on 30 November 2011 - 12:16 AM, said:

Ruse has two posts of note, and when taken together they present a picture of the sort of low poster I don't mind seeing - has some opinions, and is willing to elucidate a little on why they hold them.

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 07:38 AM, said:

Hmm, well there seems to be a fair bit going on here. Much too-ing and fro-ing to be found. At least the avatars are less confusing!

There seems to be a lot of anxiety about low posting because of the last game. I'm not really sure if Day 1 is really a good indicator of how the rest will go. But putting pressure on low posters early is probably the only way to avoid any repeats, so as such, I'm all for it.

In spite of Spite's trigger happiness (hehe), I reckon they're inno, seems a bit OTT for scum.

I don't get Thyr's weird statement. At first I thought I'd missed the explanation for it, but reading back Thyr's just sort of ignoring it. Although I'm not completely convinced it's really a good reason for a lynch. But pehaps it's too much to hope that someone would get 'syllables' and 'characters' confused as well as not be able to count particularly well.

Kesso, that's probably just first day voting for you. And also conviniently the only other train that's building up aside from your own. Which I'm going to have to go and take another look at, I think, because I don't really get it.

So, as such I'm on the fence for the next couple of hours, hopefully there will be a bit more posting closer to the end of day.

Also, teletubbies? Really? Glad Tiam took one for the team there...

Ruse, on 29 November 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmm, looking at things I'm going to

Vote Kessobahn

HP's case does look odd, and if he was symping Thyr that's a strange way to go about doing it.
In any case, we need a lynch.

That said, I'd still like to hear from Thyr.

By itself I thought the vote looked a bit odd...it was as if it came out of the blue, if you'll pardon the pun . However, in conjunction with the first post I think it looks a little better. There's evidence of an evolving thought process here. I've never quite been sure about where I stand about players who change their mind. On the one hand, it feels like they are being honest. On the other hand, I know when I've been scum in the past I've had a tendency to "let myself be convinced" about something. :shrug: In this case it feels sincere to me...but then I might be a little biased since Ruse was agreeing with me .

There's enough here that it feels like Ruse is actually playing, which is more than I can say for the previous two. I'll stick with my Meanas vote for the time being. Don't have time for any more right now. Might try and do a few more tomorrow if I can find the time.

Seems he is going out of his way to defend someone and explain someone's actions who was under very very little preassure.

EDIT: X-Post with Emur >.<

This post has been edited by Omtose: 30 November 2011 - 06:18 PM

[Emurlahn]

Taken alone, I think that post is odd. But within context, he was examining several people. He was saying that out of the three lowest posters, Ruse was the one that seemed to actually put thought into his posts.

That doesn't rule it out as a clever justification. But you have to take it in context.

[Emurlahn]

That being said, I don't count out Ruse or Anomandaris. They both are (somewhat) low posters, but they seem like they're trying. I get stronger vibes from Tennes, but he makes good posts, so I hesitate to lynch him yet. Of course, that's a perfect place for scum to hide. My head!

[Gamelon]

I'm totally covered up at work, but I'm going to try to review and make some kind of intelligent post in a while

[Osseric]

Omtose, I see what you're saying about Galain possibly justifying Ruse's posting looking suspicious. Hmmm. We have lots to go on here - possibly too much.

- HP pushing a link between Galain and Atrahal.

- Lots of questions over Thyrllan, some of them linked to his first post, others linked to how the voting swung away from him to Kessobahn.

- Some suspicions over Tennes for being...what? Helpful? It's kind of hard to point out exactly what here, but more than one person has stated a suspicion now.

- Lynch voting examination has turned out the name Ruse most often, now been connected to Galain by Omtose.

- I have a boner for Anomandaris, but no one else has commented.

I think Thyrllan is the one we're likely to get most people to agree on. At the moment, there is no real stand out case.

[Omtose]

Osseric, on 30 November 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

I think Thyrllan is the one we're likely to get most people to agree on. At the moment, there is no real stand out case.

This is why I am so hesitant to go there. Barring very obvious situations, the path of least resistance is very rarely the correct lynch.

[Emurlahn]

I'm not obstinate. I see your Ruse idea, and I think it raises Ruse above most others. But I see Thyr as a better lynch.

I feel like we haven't heard from everyone today.

[Emurlahn]

That's a good point, though.

Does your Ruse case count as deflection from Thyr? That would be resistance. Other than that, we've seen Meanas votes and Some HP conflict with people

[Gamelon]

Tiamatha, on 28 November 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

My point was in the quote. I typed it up properly but, when I just got to the end of reading up, my response was inside the quote tags.

Busy day is busy. I'm going to be on a lot more towards deadline.

Reading through the thread and catching up there are a few things that grab my attention like the voting by Spite, like the posting by Thyrllan, (he basically has loads of quotes in each of his posts but says like one word about them), the absence of three players so far, (this grabs my attention because if they aren't here to comment then they aren't here to look scummy) but the flip side to that is obvious. There have been bits of a case but nothing that stands out.

If I was to go with my gut so far on the game and how it is playing then i'd vote for Thyrllan, his posts look like filler like he is too scared to say much more in case he slips up. Tennes hasn't said anything since I voted for him, timing issues? I'll give him benefit of the doubt but that isn't mafia, my vote stays where it is until I find it prudent to place it elsewhere or unless something else comes to mind.

Noticed this comment about Thyrllan, wonder if it brought doom on Tiam

[Gamelon]

Osseric, on 30 November 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Omtose, I see what you're saying about Galain possibly justifying Ruse's posting looking suspicious. Hmmm. We have lots to go on here - possibly too much.

- HP pushing a link between Galain and Atrahal.

- Lots of questions over Thyrllan, some of them linked to his first post, others linked to how the voting swung away from him to Kessobahn.

- Some suspicions over Tennes for being...what? Helpful? It's kind of hard to point out exactly what here, but more than one person has stated a suspicion now.

- Lynch voting examination has turned out the name Ruse most often, now been connected to Galain by Omtose.

- I have a boner for Anomandaris, but no one else has commented.

I think Thyrllan is the one we're likely to get most people to agree on. At the moment, there is no real stand out case.

Was that you that said Rash was a symp working for Ano on Day 1?

Edit: No, it was Spite (pg 2)

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 30 November 2011 - 07:43 PM

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on 30 November 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

That's a good point, though.

Does your Ruse case count as deflection from Thyr? That would be resistance. Other than that, we've seen Meanas votes and Some HP conflict with people

Probably, and if Thyr gets lynched and comes back as scum I fully expect to get some major heat.

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on 30 November 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 28 November 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

My point was in the quote. I typed it up properly but, when I just got to the end of reading up, my response was inside the quote tags.

Busy day is busy. I'm going to be on a lot more towards deadline.

Reading through the thread and catching up there are a few things that grab my attention like the voting by Spite, like the posting by Thyrllan, (he basically has loads of quotes in each of his posts but says like one word about them), the absence of three players so far, (this grabs my attention because if they aren't here to comment then they aren't here to look scummy) but the flip side to that is obvious. There have been bits of a case but nothing that stands out.

If I was to go with my gut so far on the game and how it is playing then i'd vote for Thyrllan, his posts look like filler like he is too scared to say much more in case he slips up. Tennes hasn't said anything since I voted for him, timing issues? I'll give him benefit of the doubt but that isn't mafia, my vote stays where it is until I find it prudent to place it elsewhere or unless something else comes to mind.

Noticed this comment about Thyrllan, wonder if it brought doom on Tiam

oooh, this is a good post. I meant to go over Tiams posts yesterday but got side tracked at work. This would at least give me a reason, other than a mis sent PM, to vote for Thyr.

[Thyrllan]

Probably not a lot I can do anymore at this point, but some of you are giving scum waaay too little credit. Blatantly voting away from me and then symping me when there's already tons of suspicion on me? If I'm already under suspicion, a symp would be smart enough not to blatantly symp me more, because people are easily going to catch it. Catching symping at work is fine for identifying scum that are not under suspicion, but you should never use it to *confirm* existing on-thread suspicions.

When I CF inno, take a good hard look at the folks who have been claiming that obvious symping on my already-suspected self was enough for them to vote me half way through the day, namely Emur and Meanas.

[Emurlahn]

I voted you with 10 hours left, I think. Really though, you seem like the best lynch. Would you like to present a decent alternative? I've looked at the other cases and found your suspicious behavior the most interesting, so that's where my vote goes. Nothing wrong with showing solidarity.

[Galain]

Hey everyone, I've got some time now so I will read over the thread. I did notice earlier that Meanas actually showed up, so for the time being:

Remove Vote

[Omtose]

Thyrllan, on 30 November 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

Probably not a lot I can do anymore at this point, but some of you are giving scum waaay too little credit. Blatantly voting away from me and then symping me when there's already tons of suspicion on me? If I'm already under suspicion, a symp would be smart enough not to blatantly symp me more, because people are easily going to catch it. Catching symping at work is fine for identifying scum that are not under suspicion, but you should never use it to *confirm* existing on-thread suspicions.

When I CF inno, take a good hard look at the folks who have been claiming that obvious symping on my already-suspected self was enough for them to vote me half way through the day, namely Emur and Meanas.

So instead of Crying, put out another good suspect. Personally, I don't think you are a good lynch. It's basically an extension of a day 1 lynch and feels to preordained. You only have 4 votes and a lot of people are around. I am all ears on another lynch target. As it stands, I have my vote where I feel the scummiest person is.