[Alcaizin]

When Silchas Ruin is at the Eternal Fall, talking to the various gathered gods, he mentions what Anomander Rake was like as a child. I guess I never really thought of any of the Tiste Andii as children, even though logically they must have been.
Does anyone else think Lil' Anomander Rake would be adorable?

[tiam]

Bizarre question for you second post. I suppose it is an awkard situation. Though we dont know for certain it seems cleat that the Andii were the first race ever or atleast during their isolation in KG. If so Rake as the eldest of them would have been alone for a time. Its an odd ituation to say the least seen as MD seems like a wormhole entity.

[worry]

He was raised by trees.

[Luzburg]

Where is it said that Rake is the first Tiste Andii?

Eldest of the three sons of MD that we know of true.

[tiam]

Luzburg, on 31 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Where is it said that Rake is the first Tiste Andii?

Eldest of the three sons of MD that we know of true.

well hes the oldest of the three original sons and as such would be the first Andii as the Andii are MD first children discounting other theories.

[Paran]

Rake wasn't the eldest, he was the middle child. Andarist, Anomander, Silchas - that was the order. I would imagine Rake would have been Quick Ben type devious but on another level as a child.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Paran, on 05 September 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

Rake wasn't the eldest, he was the middle child. Andarist, Anomander, Silchas - that was the order. I would imagine Rake would have been Quick Ben type devious but on another level as a child.

It's funny how many people believe Rake is the middle child and Andarist the eldest.

However, in HoC Andarist actually asks Cutter if Rake now looks a s an old man,older than him and when Cutter says no, he takes it as proof that he hasn't renounced his draconic blood. If Rake were the middle child,Andarist wouldn't have asked if he looked older than him.

[Paran]

Aaaaaah! I seem to have mis-recalled... yes Apsalar or Crokus stated that he was Rake's younger brother! That was teh shock... Thank you for pointing out my ignorance politely, rep to you!

[Sinisdar Toste]

Paran, on 07 September 2011 - 01:53 AM, said:

Aaaaaah! I seem to have mis-recalled... yes Apsalar or Crokus stated that he was Rake's younger brother! That was teh shock... Thank you for pointing out my ignorance politely, rep to you!

i actually believed the same thing for a long time! you just remember Andarist being old and decrepit and immediately think oldest

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This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 07 September 2011 - 04:40 AM

[Abyss]

Hopefully we'll get some background in the Khrakanas trilo, including some Rake & bros backstory.

The reflex is to assume Rake, Darist and Ruin were created by Mommy D at least mostly grown up, but we don't actually have any basis for that.

Otoh, Silch might have been speaking ironically.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

The way Erikson likes to have things make sense from a long view of history, evolution and the rise and fall of nations and empires, I doubt it is as simple as Mommy D created Anomander, Andarist, and Silchas and somehow they fathered the rest of the race (for starters, no females among them). I think it is much more likely that she planted the seeds of life in Kurald Galain, which eventually evolved into sentient life, and eventually the TA. It is possible that the three brothers were the first to gain the spark of KG magic, or that it was given them by Mommy D at some point, exalting them above the others for a time and thus making it a short leap to call them her 'first children'.

As an aside, I have a pet theory that those three weren't the only TA so honored, and that the other faction leaders we hear of in TtH were also considered among the first children of Mother Dark, and possibly siblings to the three we've met. However, since those three are the only ones we know that traveled to Wu it makes sense that the factions they brought through would exalt them above the others, and remove them from the creation myth so that just Anomander, Andarist, and Silchas were divine.

[iixiong]

I can't recall which book but didn't L'oric mention somewhere that Osseric had once told him that Rake may not be a TA but a manifestation of MD herself or elude to something similar.

[Sinisdar Toste]

iixiong, on 25 September 2011 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can't recall which book but didn't L'oric mention somewhere that Osseric had once told him that Rake may not be a TA but a manifestation of MD herself or elude to something similar.

is this what you're referring to?

"Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need for a sire, and despite what Anomander claims, they were not Tiste Andii."