[Tattersail_]

Path-Shaper, on 12 October 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 12 October 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 11 October 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Thanks very much, I didn't see the powers in the opening post and for some reason it didn't occur to me to take a look at the role PMs posted after - pretty much sums up how much focus I've had this game.

Once again I have to say what an unbelievably well-made game this is.

Also, it was unfortunate you didn't know our emperor, i guess all factions where hampered in some such way

Each of the 3 unique roles had its downsides. Thyrllan/Lady Zuo can't Forge to her own teammates, limiting team collaboration to 2 people at best and can't do any non-communication actions. Omtose/Qu Yi has to be in the same location to kill someone, and given movement it makes it hard for him to make sure of someone with a find and kill them (so I expected him to run around the middle kingdoms using Espionage a lot and killing whatever alts he sees because his allies won't likely be outside of Xia lands... venge instead seems to have gone for a Find-then-Kill approach which is more certain but as we can see has gotten him no kills so far {helped not at all by Emur healing Luo Yang all the time}). The Nanman are arguably the most powerful specialists in that one can heal the other from a further back location while the other can kill, find, or whatever. Alternatively you can use one to guard and another to kill the same target or other combos. The downside with them is that you have to manage two alts effectively, because if one gets lynched you're gone, and you don't know your emperor which makes it harder to blend in with your own teammates.

I like it, the thought and dedication!! Maybe on thread he should have followed Barghy a bit more, but it was difficult cause Tennes and Barghy have kept their cards close to their chest, at the very least he knew Tennes was on his team from that first night and used Barghy and tennes as a reference for his team. Effectively starting lynch trains would be good for them as well, because there are two of them they can gain momentum fast

[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail, on 12 October 2011 - 02:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 October 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 12 October 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 11 October 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Thanks very much, I didn't see the powers in the opening post and for some reason it didn't occur to me to take a look at the role PMs posted after - pretty much sums up how much focus I've had this game.

Once again I have to say what an unbelievably well-made game this is.

Also, it was unfortunate you didn't know our emperor, i guess all factions where hampered in some such way

Each of the 3 unique roles had its downsides. Thyrllan/Lady Zuo can't Forge to her own teammates, limiting team collaboration to 2 people at best and can't do any non-communication actions. Omtose/Qu Yi has to be in the same location to kill someone, and given movement it makes it hard for him to make sure of someone with a find and kill them (so I expected him to run around the middle kingdoms using Espionage a lot and killing whatever alts he sees because his allies won't likely be outside of Xia lands... venge instead seems to have gone for a Find-then-Kill approach which is more certain but as we can see has gotten him no kills so far {helped not at all by Emur healing Luo Yang all the time}). The Nanman are arguably the most powerful specialists in that one can heal the other from a further back location while the other can kill, find, or whatever. Alternatively you can use one to guard and another to kill the same target or other combos. The downside with them is that you have to manage two alts effectively, because if one gets lynched you're gone, and you don't know your emperor which makes it harder to blend in with your own teammates.

I like it, the thought and dedication!! Maybe on thread he should have followed Barghy a bit more, but it was difficult cause Tennes and Barghy have kept their cards close to their chest, at the very least he knew Tennes was on his team from that first night and used Barghy and tennes as a reference for his team. Effectively starting lynch trains would be good for them as well, because there are two of them they can gain momentum fast

Well maybe, but you can say that about anyone in this game. Everyone has at some point or other missed something on thread that would otherwise have been a great clue for their and their faction's progression. Especially the Champions though, they've really missed some thread clues as to who they could/should be trying to kill (though Gwynn/Kaschan caught Gust/Zhuge well)

[Khellendros]

@ Tattersail:

Actually, I started in Eight Fan, not Jiang Xia. On the first day, I moved Mockra to Jiang Xia, to find Tennes there. Now, how could I be sure that Tennes was in the same faction? 1) I didn't know where Illumination came from or who did it; 2) Other factions could have moved from the two border tiles into Jiang Xia the same way I did from Eight Fan, in just one move. So while, yes, there was a good chance Tennes was in the same faction (and that was the reason why I didn't perform any night action on them that night after deliberating it), I couldn't be sure.

As for following Barghast's lead, I did just that as much as I could. I held off attacking Osseric (because I didn't know if they might be my emperor) until Barghast had thrown his cards in. But most of the time Barghast was unfortunately very wary of me, and one of the first people to vote for Meanas

Would this be something of a new record: I've of course managed to screw over my own team before, but what if I now manage to screw over BOTH of my teams this game, as Tennes and Telas are quickly lynched one after the other?

or should that be

[Path-Shaper]

Tennes, on 12 October 2011 - 04:47 PM, said:

Provisional Move to Luo Yang

Illuminate Xin Du

Noted

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

I'm wondering if if this is Emurlahn's way of giving me targets to attack

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

other non-entities as far as i'm concerned include Kaschan and to a lesser extent Karosis (Karosis posts. and fairly frequently. most of it is playing catchup, though, not really offering much insight)
Sheltatha and Korlat are pretty low-key as well.

This is also making me wonder if not all of my teammates are in fact in Luo Yang.

Maybe it's time to go for a sure thing.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 October 2011 - 05:50 PM, said:

Alright, since Galain is calling out Okaros again, I'll cancel the hit on him, it would be too suspicious

Night 6 Revision 1

Kill Ruse, if lynched kill Thyrllan

Noted.

(Galain, Ruse and Thyr, got all the Lu picked out and you pick the only one too far away to kill...)

[Path-Shaper]

Barghast, on 12 October 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

Defender of the Realm: guard Telas
Fearsome Rep: no finds, no kills, please

Noted.

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Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

I have a question regarding blocking.

If I kill someone in my same location will that block kills that are incoming from outside locations?

Yup.

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

this is making my head hurt

Omtose is Yan. is he Yan emperor?

Bargy is not Xia.
I feel that people ganging up on Karosis are all Yan.

the problem is, I think dkt may be Xia--the general who killed sorritt.

or he could be gongsun Zan. gerr.....

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

Okay so now I need to see if targeting someone within my location is a big enough gamble to protect an ally within my location or if it will ultimately do more harm than good. HP and Emurlahn are off the table for obvious reasons. Atrahal, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat or Telas are my choices. Since Emurlahn chose to vote Omtose instead of Karosis even though it sounded like he was arguing that Karosis was a barbarian I'll take him off the list. Korlat also stated that she was leaning towards Omtose so that sounds like she is following her Emperor's lead.

That leaves Atrahal, Kessobahn and Telas and I believe that at least two of them are not Xia. Now Telas could have been the one that was on He Fei that Mockra/Meanas was talking about and then moved to Luo Yang which I believe more than I believe Barghast. So I'm leaning not Telas.

Now of the two left I don't fully trust either of them as they are serious low posters. I think that I will have to go with Kessobahn as he voted for Atrahal who was in his same location. I guess it's possible that he is a finder and received that info but how could you target someone that is highly likely to be on your own team.

I'm spinning my wheels. I don't want to fuck my team over and this is at best a 50/50 shot of saving someone only to kill the wrong someone.

I guess on the bright side I guarantee only one of my teamates gets killed.

Head Hurts!!!!

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 06:38 PM, said:

there is a roughly 40% chance Karosis is kingdoms. I know this due to certain illuminating circumstances
I have no data on Omtose to work with. other then there's a good chance he's not from my kingdom.

thus my choice is Omtose, since he could be Ma, or even the Usurper.

Is this the hint I need? Could there really only be 3 Xia members in Luo Yang? The Emperor, me and one other? If that is the case then hell yeah I'm switching my kill.

Provisional - Kill Kessobahn, else Silanah

Noted.

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

grr

Karosis
Korlat
Atrahal
Telas


HP???/




two of these are Xia.
two of these are White riders.

Omtose sounds like bigwig yan

galain and Okaros are the Mas.

Tennes, Silanah, Shelly, Bargy are yan. one of them is Sima Yi. probs. Silanah

Ruse and Thyr are the rump leftovers of Lu.



I am missing 2 more spechul roles, and not putting them in the equation will cost me dearly at some point.

sigh
there is far too much randomness left in this game.

Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

if HP votes Omtose, and then Kesso votes Omtose.... well, then all of Luo Yang tile will be united in happy harmony.

oh shit, I forgot about Kashcan again. he's still playing. kinda. sorta.

Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

let's see.


if HP votes for Dkt, then i'm almostr sure he's someone nasty.

[Sir Thursday]

DKT has done well to get Ment to think he is Xia. It's really screwing up Emu and HP's thought processes. Kessobahn is very fortunate that NKs can't hurt members of your own team.

ST

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Thursday, on 12 October 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

Kessobahn is very fortunate that NKs can't hurt members of your own team.

ST

Yes they can. They totaly can.

[Path-Shaper]

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

Shit I have a terrible bad feeling. Like the same one that I had during survivor mafia right before I picked number 9. I have a feeling that this vote is a cruicial one. I so hope I'm not making a mistake on either the vote or the night kill target. Maybe I should just go for someone that I strongly suspect to be an enemy. Barghast or Thryllan.

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

In any case I'm going to

provisional - clear all previous actions. I'll be around for night so I'm going to wait on the lynch before I put in my night action.

noted

[Path-Shaper]

If someone feels like resolving when the lynch happens (I won't be around until a couple hours after time-out), here's a scene for an Omtose lynch:

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It had taken five years. It had forced him to spend uncountable nights soaked in the rain and cold. He had hunted down and killed the guilty and innocent alike both for information and to cover his trail. But now the search was over. After dozens of decoys and lieutenants, this time Qu Yi was sure he had found the target.

The target was meeting with his subordinates. Qu Yi waited half the night before the meeting adjourned and the lights were extinguished. Then he started making his way across the street via rooftops and back alleys. The house had no roof hatch, so he stepped into the chimney and began working his way down the shaft inch by inch. He was nearly at the fireplace when soldiers dashed into the common room, shouting the alarm. The target was roused and immediately began preparing to depart. The mission blwon, Qu Yi began ascending the chimney even slower than he had descended. The inside walls were nearly perfectly flat and climbing up was almost impossible. Inside, the target departed with his men, then ordered his men to burn down the house to conceal any evidence he had left behind.

Qu Yi tried to scramble up the chimney but end up sliding down to the bottom instead. As he rolled out of the fireplace, torches were hurled through the windows and flames sprang up on all sides. Yi had no time for anything but to dive through the side window into the alley. He landed on a cat, which yowled, alerting the soldiers in the street. Before Qu Yi could get up he was pinned back down by arrows from four arbalests and lay in the alley unmoving.

Omtose (Vengeance) is dead. He was Qu Yi, an assassin of the Xia Dynasty.

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If Karosis is lynched:

Karosis (dktorode) is dead. he was Gongsun Zan, lord of the White Rirders.

and I'll put a scene in later.

[Sir Thursday]

Path-Shaper, on 12 October 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 12 October 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

Kessobahn is very fortunate that NKs can't hurt members of your own team.

ST

Yes they can. They totaly can.

Really? I could have sworn I remembered reading that in the rules. I remember making a mental note "I like that idea, if I ever run a Merc game I'll make sure I use it."

Hmm, looking back, I think I read section of the Blocking rules about what allied players block and misinterpreted it as that. I still think it's a good idea though - it would make people more willing to use their NKs and seems more realistic somehow. You'd think if someone was one your team you'd have a way of checking that before you killed them...


ST

[Path-Shaper]

Conversation between the White Riders:

Korlat, on 12 October 2011 - 08:35 PM, said:

I have Emur pegged as an emperor, more a feeling though than anything solid and I tried and failed to kill him once before. If he was someone would have been covering him/will be. I think he'd be Xia. This is idle speculation though.

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

i also have him pegged as emperor...probably right on the protection thing

Korlat, on 12 October 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

This is another pure speculation and I don't know if I am allowed sharing thoughts on meta things but if Omtose is who I think he is then with a little luck he might not be around until it is a little late. I hope anyway. I'm probably jumping to wrong conclusions here, what's new?

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

according to his posting times it will be cutting it close.

i cant wait any longer myself...going to bed now.


If he comes on he will most likely reveal.
See how the thread takes it before posing anything, but if they decide to go for me try and get a vote in on me to salvage SOMETHING for yourself.

good night

Korlat, on 12 October 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

Ah well shit but it least looks like he is implicating HP.

I want to see a couple of reactions before posting though, i don't want to suggest still getting him because that'll implicate me but don't want to seem to early like I am gunning for you in case it helps to swing it again.

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

yea...stay FAR away right now....it would be best to simply hammer me if it came to that..but otherwise its best to simply not get involved. HP has taken the spotlight.

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

im not goig to say anymore....there is nothing more i can say without seeming desperate....

it looks like the more omtose talks the more he diggs a hole for himself.

good night....again

Korlat, on 12 October 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Yes I am have a pretend emergency right now which is keeping me away from the thread, shame that. (I am actually off to do stuff but still)

Night, I hope to see you in the morning. I'll try and stay up until the hammer so if I need to hammer you I can and apologise for disappearing and being late to the party but thank god for the cynicism.

[HoosierDaddy]

Fucking LOL Mafia.

Omtose: "Karosis is White Rider warlord"
Thread: "Prove it!"
Omtose: "Do you really want me to prove it? Fine, I'll release all my information like you asked."
Thread: "HOLY SHIT LYNCH OMTOSE EVEN THOUGH WE ASKED HIM TO PROVE IT!"

[HoosierDaddy]

"I am having a pretend emergency right now...."

Shenanigans. Out with them.

[Path-Shaper]

Hood, on 12 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Kill - Karosis.

After all of that I still believe Omtose about Karosis being a barbarian.

Noted.

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Ruse, on 12 October 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

I feel like wiley e. coyote - I'll get that roadrunner eventually.

Kill Silanah

Noted.

[It's going to be a while ]
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Korlat, on 12 October 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

Kill Kessobahn this night

Noted.

[So despite HP's change of heart, Kesso is back in the firing line]
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Omtose, on 12 October 2011 - 09:53 PM, said:

I have had a fun time playing so far Drek. Pay no attention to the shit storm that I am going to bring to the thread over the next several hours. I am about to go off like never before.

[It seems the rest of the thread decided they didn't want him to. First time I've ever seen someone successfully censor a reveal like Ment did there. Should clue people in (if they weren't clued in already) that he has a role though - people who weren't around there would have nothing to hide. And I'm surprised Silanah and SL shared his concerns, actually - Silanah had only just been moved into the reason so was unlikely to be implicated in anything Omtose said, and Sheltatha is on the other side of China.]

[Path-Shaper]

Atrahal, on 12 October 2011 - 11:05 PM, said:

Sorry Veng!!!!!! FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Okaros, on 12 October 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

not sure what night we are on, I think it is 6? In any case


Night 6 action, heal Sheltatha Lore.


Hope that they are around to benefit from the heal. I think I am relatively safe, away from the tiles from which the actions are taking place. Whoever is blocking my move attempts is the only danger, and I doubt that they know to target me. I'm more worried about Sheltatha, seeing as some are suspicious of his/her role.

Noted.

[So for once Okaros is not protecting himself! Will Galain try to put the kill through tonight? I guess we'll see.]

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 12 October 2011 - 11:14 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Sima Yi muses:

Telas, on 12 October 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:

So, Vengeance (I had already guessed his alt, hah ) was the first to bring up the possibility of a Usurper hunter role. I wonder if that's what the assassin was meant to do.

[Khellendros]

How the hell did that happen?! I cannot believe they lynched him before he said anything! Talk about being afraid of your own secrets The problem is now they doubt his finder abilities, they may not even go for Karosis or HP next.

But, for the good of the game, we needed another Xia dead.

[Path-Shaper]

Thyrllan, on 12 October 2011 - 11:37 PM, said:

Eep night action time!

Break Lover Connection to Barghast

Noted.

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Emurlahn, on 12 October 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

well, fuck.

Venge, what the fuck were you thinking, threatening to out people to save your life???
ger