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#1 User is offline   blewin 

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 06:12 AM

I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I just don't get this. Why did Karsa kill Fener? Did he even know that Stormy and Ges were calling on Fener when he stormed into the temple to kill him?

and what about Karsa's army? thought he's got one and gonna conquer the world with that.. I thought that storyline hasn't finished yet.

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 06:24 AM

Fener sacrificed himself to bring life to, among other things, the CG's heart. Karsa was the facilitator, through the temple of Fener in Darujhistan, and did indeed know the timing, if not the connection to Gesler and Stormy. Karsa's army so far consists of the Lether Tarthenal and his daughters, so there's still a way to go with that particular thread.
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 06:46 AM

And Karsa will have his own trilogy :)
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 08:26 AM

And Hood told him to stay in Darujhistan to 'kill a god'.
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 09:26 AM

It'd be a very interesting thing if Kruppe and Karsa met while he was in Darujistan.

Comedic value aside, Kruppe sees himself as the defender of the city (as the "Eel") and obviously sees the value in it and it's people. Karsa, obviously, would rather burn it to the ground because it's a corrupt haven of civilization that feed the corrupt elite on the flesh and tears of the downtrodden. They could have some interesting things to say to each other.

Now...if you could get Tehol and his societal views into the conversation...

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:20 AM

 Migol, on 09 August 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:



Now...if you could get Tehol and his societal views into the conversation...

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Frankly I would be interested on what Tehol has to say about that. From what Shurq Elalle tells Felash in DoD, it seems as if Tehol would side with Karsa in the discussion albeit with probably a less extreme solution.
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Posted 10 August 2011 - 12:56 AM

 Robin Goodfellow, on 09 August 2011 - 08:26 AM, said:

And Hood Picker told him to stay in Darujhistan to 'kill a god'.


and he did it. he killed fener. but fener is but one symptom of civilization. and if karsa want's to cure the world of civilization, it'll take at least a trilogy :)

anyway, karsa's story is far, far, from being done with.
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Posted 10 August 2011 - 01:42 AM

 Sinisdar Toste, on 10 August 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

 Robin Goodfellow, on 09 August 2011 - 08:26 AM, said:

And Hood Picker told him to stay in Darujhistan to 'kill a god'.


and he did it. he killed fener. but fener is but one symptom of civilization. and if karsa want's to cure the world of civilization, it'll take at least a trilogy :)

anyway, karsa's story is far, far, from being done with.


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 03:50 PM

 Migol, on 09 August 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

It'd be a very interesting thing if Kruppe and Karsa met while he was in Darujistan.

Comedic value aside, Kruppe sees himself as the defender of the city (as the "Eel") and obviously sees the value in it and it's people. Karsa, obviously, would rather burn it to the ground because it's a corrupt haven of civilization that feed the corrupt elite on the flesh and tears of the downtrodden. They could have some interesting things to say to each other.

Now...if you could get Tehol and his societal views into the conversation...

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I think Kruppe would go on for 5 minutes, then Karsa would just say "Too many words..." and walk off. :)
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 02:09 PM

Also, the various gods of war other than the Wolves may have had something to do with the chain of events leading to Karsa slicing Fener's last altar. It wasn't the Wolves who sent Picker to find Karsa, and we know from TtH that there are more war gods around than just the ones we've seen.

Also, given the Wolves primal disgust with civilization, I can't help but wonder whether Karsa may find himself in the House of War as well as the House of Chains. After all, Trake is looking for a new Mortal Sword...


In theory Karsa's army includes the maimed Teblors from the Landron Plateau, altho HoC suggested the RockFaces set up someone else to lead them.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:06 PM

Here's an even stranger thing to me: how did he kill fener? How was that little artifact in the temple so important that it killed the physical manifestation of a god that was on a different continent? I'm not even 100% sure why fener was there in the first place :yes
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:23 PM

Well, we've seen various links between altars and their gods, especially when the god is mucking around in the mortal world. Consider that bugg is more of mael's avatar than his real godly form or whatever (he hasn't been ripped out of his hold like fener), yet bugg's body, consciousness, all the power he encompassed as well as his ability to access his greater Mael Power™ was captured inside some random defunct altar drowned beneath the streets of letheras. I mean, the errant nudged him in and did some sort of voodoo, but the altar was obviously required for the trappery.

So now we've got fener, who everyone has conveniently been saying over and over is "incredibly vulnerable" now that he's been ripped out of his realm. I guess the whatever "altars do shit to their gods" connection is a bit more potent when said god is completely unprotected and in the same world as that altar.

As far as fener being there, stormy and gesler kept saying shit like "for fener woohoo" and accidentally summoned him. Also very convenient, but eh.
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:53 PM

hm. makes sense, I suppose. I'm still a bit vague on the connection imposed by an altar, but, eh, confusion is a part of the series. Good point about the distinction between an avatar and a manifestation though.
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:54 PM

The key ingredient was Fener's conscious, willing sacrifice. The altar isn't the point, nor is the tusk. Karsa's sword literally traveled through space to physically pierce Fener's body. The artifact was not a stand-in for Fener, it was a pathway, opened by a fully aware and deliberate Fener himself. There is no need for symbolism here.
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:55 PM

 worrywort, on 24 August 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

The key ingredient was Fener's conscious, willing sacrifice. The altar isn't the point, nor is the tusk. Karsa's sword literally traveled through space to physically pierce Fener's body. The artifact was not a stand-in for Fener, it was a pathway, opened by a fully aware and deliberate Fener himself. There is no need for symbolism here.


i think worrywort's got it. fener would have a very intimate link with any of his altars no matter what his state. since he's in the world, and intends to sacrifice himself, he can reach through the tusk and literally put himself on that altar that karsa swings at. what happens in reality is you get a massive sword swinging into a towering war-boar, showering god-blood all over the epic battle for the fate of the entire planet. because fener is dramatic like that.

edit: it's like the event is happening in two places at once.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 04:43 AM

Fener's dialogue with the Errant in RG suggests he's basically just waiting for the battle in Kolanse:

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I don't think he needed Stormy and Gesler to summon him, the magnitude of the battle was always going to draw him.

And he seems to know exactly what will happen at that time:

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Why, as long as I can, before my control crumbles- or I am summoned to my battle, my death, I mean


So as worrywort says, it seems that this sacrifice at the time is willing.

It's an interesting couple of pages, where we see the Errant make a rare attempt at 'not being a jerk.'
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:40 AM

 Kanubis, on 25 August 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:



It's an interesting couple of pages, where we see the Errant make a rare attempt at 'not being a jerk.'


So true. I was surprised on how nice The Errant was to poor Fener. Of course he ruins the moment when later he muses on how he can take advantage of him

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:30 PM

 Bulwyf, on 22 August 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

 Migol, on 09 August 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

It'd be a very interesting thing if Kruppe and Karsa met while he was in Darujistan.

Comedic value aside, Kruppe sees himself as the defender of the city (as the "Eel") and obviously sees the value in it and it's people. Karsa, obviously, would rather burn it to the ground because it's a corrupt haven of civilization that feed the corrupt elite on the flesh and tears of the downtrodden. They could have some interesting things to say to each other.

Now...if you could get Tehol and his societal views into the conversation...

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I think Kruppe would go on for 5 minutes, then Karsa would just say "Too many words..." and walk off. :)



Nah hed just say "Witness" and destroy the city
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Posted 10 January 2016 - 09:34 PM

I just finished TCG. My one big complaint - I don't even know what wasn't "wrapped up" but for sure Karsa wasn't. He was a major character and he had a paragraph or two in the end. Now what. His character is one I was looking forward to for the last couple books. I was expecting him to play a much more significant role.
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Posted 10 January 2016 - 09:59 PM

There is going to be a post-MBOTF trilogy dedicated to him, so his role in TCG was focused on how he fit in the finale, not wrapping things up for him.
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