[EBBefar]

Hi.

I, like many others it seems, have just a few questions for you all. First of, who was that woman who kept holding Silchas Ruin back, when he was in the Azath burrow? Are we told in Midnight Tides? If so, I missed it.

My other question is acutally about the prologue from House of Chains, when Trull is Shorned. Who is leading the shorning? He speaks of them as brothers, but having read Midnight Tides, I have a hard time picturing either of his actual brothers fitting in to the character described in HoC. Are we ever told?

Best regards, EBBefar.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

1) Sheltata Lore,whom Sukul Ankadu and Menadore imprisoned in the same Azath with Silchas. It's when Udinaas has a vision and they are chatting with Osric. She was holding him because that family is seriously messed up and she was doing it just of spite.

You get an answer in TBH but the leader of them is without doubt Rhulad.

[Cyphon]

Which family isn't messed up in MBotF?

This post has been edited by Cyphon: 12 July 2011 - 08:30 AM

[Gothos]

Rhulad, aye, and it's pretty clear once you read MT, really. Did you just ask questions before finishing the book? It's a terrible idea with these series.

[EBBefar]

Gothos, on 12 July 2011 - 08:30 AM, said:

Rhulad, aye, and it's pretty clear once you read MT, really. Did you just ask questions before finishing the book? It's a terrible idea with these series.

No, I just finished it. It still isn't clear to me at all, but I'll take your word for it. Thanks for the answer (both of you).

[Abyss]

To be fair, the HoC prologue IS a bit vague, especially because the word 'brother' is thrown around pretty loosely.

But as of the end of MT, Rhulad is referring to his sidekicks Theradas and Midik and co, as his 'brothers'. By the time of the shorning, Fear is already gone and it seems pretty clear Binadas wasn't there.

[EBBefar]

Abyss, on 12 July 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

To be fair, the HoC prologue IS a bit vague, especially because the word 'brother' is thrown around pretty loosely.

But as of the end of MT, Rhulad is referring to his sidekicks Theradas and Midik and co, as his 'brothers'. By the time of the shorning, Fear is already gone and it seems pretty clear Binadas wasn't there.

I just re-re-read it and I admit, Rhulad is the obvious conclusion. Especially by way of exclusion. I think what threw me off, was the language of the dialogue - there is no "royal we", there is no madness, only spite. I totally get his motivation, though.

EDIT: By the way, can we really say for sure that Binadas wasn't one of the "brothers"? Other than the fact that he was leaning towards Team Hannan Mosag, it is hard to determine his disposition. Granted, he isn't the obvious conclussion, and I guess this is all just speculation.

This post has been edited by EBBefar: 12 July 2011 - 03:36 PM

[Abyss]

EBBefar, on 12 July 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

...can we really say for sure that Binadas wasn't one of the "brothers"? Other than the fact that he was leaning towards Team Hannan Mosag, it is hard to determine his disposition. Granted, he isn't the obvious conclussion, and I guess this is all just speculation.

As of the end of MT, no, we can't say for certain.

[Feather]

Okay i may have missed something in here but i agree with Abyss in that the word 'Kin' is also used. I'm still not sure how the quoting thing works but there is a paragraph:
They were his brothers, after all. Kin. Faces he had known all his life, faces he had seen smile, laugh and a times filled with a grief that had mirrored his own.

Mostly likely how Trull ends up be shorn is explained in RG, which i have not yet read.

[tiam]

Its isnt really covered in RG tbh. The language is vage but you have to assume by Kin he may mean of the Hiroth tribe.

[BlackMoranthofDoom]

You guys make a good point, i originally thought it refered to his blood brothers but its likely Rhulad was the only one involved with the other being kin. However I think its also possible that Rhulad wasn't present either and that all memebrs present could simply be Tiste Edur "brothers", since Rhulad was pretty much locked up in the Letheras palace.He may have simply ordered them to exile Trull.

[tiam]

BlackMoranthofDoom, on 20 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

You guys make a good point, i originally thought it refered to his blood brothers but its likely Rhulad was the only one involved with the other being kin. However I think its also possible that Rhulad wasn't present either and that all memebrs present could simply be Tiste Edur "brothers", since Rhulad was pretty much locked up in the Letheras palace.He may have simply ordered them to exile Trull.

No Rhulad is definitely there. If you read it again they comment about how he spoke out against Rhulad and then Rhulad tries to share out the blame claiming he betrayed them all. I had forgotten about this but there is a small amount of information in TBH explaining who was there.

However Rhulad being there was a certainty.

[Ben Delat]

There is also the hint about at least some of the "brothers" who were there in TBH during the lead up to the whole first throne/trull/edur/icarium/everyone else. Its in the details there.

This post has been edited by Ben Delat: 30 November 2011 - 05:52 PM

[worry]

Broseph, TBH is a later book than MT, so that's some nasty spoilers.

[Sapper JHall]

They explicitly state in a later book that it is Rhulad. I forget where or when but I def remember reading it.

[Supernova]

Who are the others though? I'm pretty sure Theradas was killed by Mael at the end of MT and I can't remember what happened to Midik. I suppose they could just be random Hiroth warriors due to rhulad calling everyone brothers.