[Hood's Path]

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

WHAT!

THE!

FUCK!



Are you serious? I wanted to vote you out before but thought you could wait as I felt I stumbled across a possible barbarian. Now....

I have to agree with Sorrit on this one. Who gives up names of people that may or may be on your team unless you are a traitor of some kind. Even if you are lying about the names you just don't do that!

remove vote

vote Meanas

[Sorrit]

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Oh please, do me a favour. Before the weekend you all had your "we'll lynch Meanas after Osseric" caps on, as demonstrated by one early vote on me already. Rather than waiting for the inevitable cascade of votes (as most prefer the easy option of going for an identified target rather than doing some investigating of their own) I've pre-empted it by telling you why I'm not the things you say I am.

So of course you now paint me as the only other major role out there straight away Sorrit. That despite the fact that that would be COMPLETELY contradictory to the previous argument that, because I supposedly didn't know that officials knew their emperor, I must be warlord or emperor myself. But who would be more aware of who their emperor is than the Usurper Sorrit? Your argument makes absolutely no sense, you're pulling things out of your ass trying to make something stick to me. Because you're too lazy to do any proper investigating.

There is a whole lynch train out there for you. Have you bothered? No. There is another previous train on me. Have you bothered looking at that? No. Because you're lazy. Because you're happy to lynch me. Because I'm right here in front of you, visible and willing to talk.

Now excuse me while I go and actually construct a case (after dinner).

You are the lazy one, find a vote from me on you. Find a post where I say i'll vote for you next, I've said we can discuss you but there has only been one or two people saying they'll vote for you next and how many people are still left in the game? Yes, I've looked at trains and supposed connections and I have them all here for me to read through, i'm not going to give you an easy ride though. Don' t try and turn the post around, you just said you were not A, B, C and D yet left little options on who you can be. You are saying that you ARE an official, you should know your emperor yet you said that you didn't know that you should know. Also, the usurper was meant to start in the position that you are claiming to have or that is how i've perceived the role.

[Meanas]

Sorrit, on 10 October 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Oh please, do me a favour. Before the weekend you all had your "we'll lynch Meanas after Osseric" caps on, as demonstrated by one early vote on me already. Rather than waiting for the inevitable cascade of votes (as most prefer the easy option of going for an identified target rather than doing some investigating of their own) I've pre-empted it by telling you why I'm not the things you say I am.

So of course you now paint me as the only other major role out there straight away Sorrit. That despite the fact that that would be COMPLETELY contradictory to the previous argument that, because I supposedly didn't know that officials knew their emperor, I must be warlord or emperor myself. But who would be more aware of who their emperor is than the Usurper Sorrit? Your argument makes absolutely no sense, you're pulling things out of your ass trying to make something stick to me. Because you're too lazy to do any proper investigating.

There is a whole lynch train out there for you. Have you bothered? No. There is another previous train on me. Have you bothered looking at that? No. Because you're lazy. Because you're happy to lynch me. Because I'm right here in front of you, visible and willing to talk.

Now excuse me while I go and actually construct a case (after dinner).

You are the lazy one, find a vote from me on you. Find a post where I say i'll vote for you next, I've said we can discuss you but there has only been one or two people saying they'll vote for you next and how many people are still left in the game? Yes, I've looked at trains and supposed connections and I have them all here for me to read through, i'm not going to give you an easy ride though. Don' t try and turn the post around, you just said you were not A, B, C and D yet left little options on who you can be. You are saying that you ARE an official, you should know your emperor yet you said that you didn't know that you should know. Also, the usurper was meant to start in the position that you are claiming to have or that is how i've perceived the role.

Aha, so I can be everything except the thing I claim to be? How inconvenient for me. I do know my emperor. As I keep saying (though no one is listening) what I wrote was a mistake (not a slip-up), it doesn't reveal that I don't know my emperor.

But then, all of a sudden, it's a new tack! In the very same post! Aha, you CAN be what you claim to be, but ONLY if you are also the Usurper!

This despite the fact that in the same post you claim that I don't know my emperor, which the Usurper would.

Your argument is unsupportable and self-contradictory.

[Meanas]

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

WHAT!

THE!

FUCK!



Are you serious? I wanted to vote you out before but thought you could wait as I felt I stumbled across a possible barbarian. Now....

I have to agree with Sorrit on this one. Who gives up names of people that may or may be on your team unless you are a traitor of some kind. Even if you are lying about the names you just don't do that!

remove vote

vote Meanas

Whose names have I given up? I named the location of two people on night 1 - not necessarily two people of my faction or what their roles are, or anything like that. It's up to them if they choose to respond.

I am trying to survive, and in a manner which will not endanger my team. The fact is, however small my role is, my death will damage my team.

You people are just incredible. I defend myself and you say: How dare you defend yourself!


I am actually so disgusted by this bullshit post of HP's (which I should try and remember is simply designed to start a train on me) that I'm going to get away from here for a few hours and cool down.

[Sorrit]

I'm curious to see your case that you said you are going to build, also your response to HP would be welcome, a game where factions and alignments are important that you are trying to reveal information to stay alive when you are "supposedly" only a civil official. You are saying you are not a PM and not an emperor yet are claiming to be a finder, why? And why are you revealing information to save your own ass when it could be harmful to your team mates?

[Korlat]

So you are claiming to be either Yan or Lu and an official, righ,t but I do agree that throwing names and tiles of those on your team out there is somewhat scummy, that is assuming they are on your team, but maybe they're not I suppose and you did not throw your vote against Osseric yesterday either, so giving away two targets of another faction wouldn't really impact on you too badly, if you are Lu and they are Yan it might help since it gives people known quantities but if they are in another faction, why would they back you up? Which just leaves me slightly conflicted over the whole thing.

[Mockra]

Hmmm.


I don't know about the rest, but I'm willing to admit that I was indeed in Jiang Xia on night 1. I guess I'd be more pissed if I was still around there, as people would know to target me, but as I'm not, I don't mind so much. I'll have to take some time to think about the rest of what Meanas says, and I'm intrigued to see what names he comes up with.

And Meanas, chill out. You're a prime target, and it's your own fault that this is so. I think that's what's really got you so pissed.

[Emurlahn]

errm



yo, Meanas

if you were Yan emperor, how would you know Serc's is Yan?

that argument is weak.
also, since you were in Jian Xia on night 1, you pretty much out yourself as Yan. and you say Mockra and Tennes are likely Yan as well.

seriously, this is not smart play.

the fact that you are being so adamant about your survival that you are outing other Yan..

well, chances are good you are

1)Yan Emperor
2) Yan PM
3) Sima Yi
4) someone recruited by Sima Yi



in any case, you haven't done yourself any favours.



vote Meanas

[Korlat]

I have to agree that outing people to survive while claiming you are only an civil official just seems very strange, why not make this case you are working on and leave possible teammates out of it altogether?

[Mockra]

[Deep breath]

First off, Emurlahn's right. I forgot that emperor's don't know alts, only role names. So I have not been ruled out entirely as Yan emperor. However, seeing as an emperor would be aware of this kind of thing, I think that is a strong argument in itself that I am not an emperor ( *sarcasm* unless, of course, I'm allowed this slip up because it's convenient, but not the previous one *sarcasm*).

Second, if someone was in Jiang Xia on night 1, they could be Yan, Lu or Xia, as it's reachable by all three. I have not revealed other people of my faction beyond all doubt. Simply because you are able to eliminate them from being in your faction does not mean that you can rule them out of being in one of the other two.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're smart, by now you should be able to work out in which faction most people lie without anything I said. You people are jumping on this without thinking, you solely want another reason to lynch me, because I've been highlighted already.

[Hood's Path]

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

WHAT!

THE!

FUCK!



Are you serious? I wanted to vote you out before but thought you could wait as I felt I stumbled across a possible barbarian. Now....

I have to agree with Sorrit on this one. Who gives up names of people that may or may be on your team unless you are a traitor of some kind. Even if you are lying about the names you just don't do that!

remove vote

vote Meanas

Whose names have I given up? I named the location of two people on night 1 - not necessarily two people of my faction or what their roles are, or anything like that. It's up to them if they choose to respond.

I am trying to survive, and in a manner which will not endanger my team. The fact is, however small my role is, my death will damage my team.

You people are just incredible. I defend myself and you say: How dare you defend yourself!


I am actually so disgusted by this bullshit post of HP's (which I should try and remember is simply designed to start a train on me) that I'm going to get away from here for a few hours and cool down.

Unbefuckingleiveable! You seriously want to draw more attention to other people and you tell me that you are disgusted by my post!? In a game that is divided by territory along with factions and you call out people in a city on Day 1 and you are seriously confused why I would go off on you? I'm not faulting you for trying to defend yourself but for one you are not doing a very good job of it and for another you are potentially taking down other players with you.

If you were trying to save yourself explain what you are talking about in regards to the barbarians. You made a reference to narrowing it down to two players. Can you please elaborate?

[Korlat]

Mockra, on 10 October 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

[Deep breath]

First off, Emurlahn's right. I forgot that emperor's don't know alts, only role names. So I have not been ruled out entirely as Yan emperor. However, seeing as an emperor would be aware of this kind of thing, I think that is a strong argument in itself that I am not an emperor ( *sarcasm* unless, of course, I'm allowed this slip up because it's convenient, but not the previous one *sarcasm*).

Second, if someone was in Jiang Xia on night 1, they could be Yan, Lu or Xia, as it's reachable by all three. I have not revealed other people of my faction beyond all doubt. Simply because you are able to eliminate them from being in your faction does not mean that you can rule them out of being in one of the other two.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're smart, by now you should be able to work out in which faction most people lie without anything I said. You people are jumping on this without thinking, you solely want another reason to lynch me, because I've been highlighted already.

My comment was aimed at Meanas. Who is trying to lynch you here? I haven't voted yet because I want to see Meanas' case, although I think the way he has played in trying to save himself is pretty bad and Emur voted for him too.

[Silanah]

Wow, Meanas is kinda throwing people under the bus. The train is building fast, I want to reserve my vote until I see/make some other cases. This rings too much of the early game lynches with people just leading the vote around.

Almost exactly the same, because I don't see the vote going anywhere else.

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on 10 October 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

[Deep breath]

First off, Emurlahn's right. I forgot that emperor's don't know alts, only role names. So I have not been ruled out entirely as Yan emperor. However, seeing as an emperor would be aware of this kind of thing, I think that is a strong argument in itself that I am not an emperor ( *sarcasm* unless, of course, I'm allowed this slip up because it's convenient, but not the previous one *sarcasm*).

Second, if someone was in Jiang Xia on night 1, they could be Yan, Lu or Xia, as it's reachable by all three. I have not revealed other people of my faction beyond all doubt. Simply because you are able to eliminate them from being in your faction does not mean that you can rule them out of being in one of the other two.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're smart, by now you should be able to work out in which faction most people lie without anything I said. You people are jumping on this without thinking, you solely want another reason to lynch me, because I've been highlighted already.

wat?
this almost sounds like Meanas posted from the wrong alt.

[Mockra]

Ah fuck it, lynch me then, this is too fucking hard

Before you do, I'll tell you my Warlord suspicion so you have something to go on in that field. It's Telas. Why? Because he's the only person in my current location who I can't place in a faction.

If you want a Lu person, then Thyrllan is your best bet, he threw a vote on me when the lynch was definitely swinging towards Osseric, as Sorrit noticed at the time.

Well, toodles guys!

[Sheltatha Lore]

Emurlahn, on 10 October 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

Mockra, on 10 October 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

[Deep breath]

First off, Emurlahn's right. I forgot that emperor's don't know alts, only role names. So I have not been ruled out entirely as Yan emperor. However, seeing as an emperor would be aware of this kind of thing, I think that is a strong argument in itself that I am not an emperor ( *sarcasm* unless, of course, I'm allowed this slip up because it's convenient, but not the previous one *sarcasm*).

Second, if someone was in Jiang Xia on night 1, they could be Yan, Lu or Xia, as it's reachable by all three. I have not revealed other people of my faction beyond all doubt. Simply because you are able to eliminate them from being in your faction does not mean that you can rule them out of being in one of the other two.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're smart, by now you should be able to work out in which faction most people lie without anything I said. You people are jumping on this without thinking, you solely want another reason to lynch me, because I've been highlighted already.

wat?
this almost sounds like Meanas posted from the wrong alt.

Multiple Alt Shenanigans????

[Mockra]

Meanas you jackass, why couldn't you be cool?

[Meanas]

Ah shut up Mockra, it's not like you were any help to me!

[Mockra]

Don't tell me to shut up, you're the reason we're in this mess!

[Sheltatha Lore]

Mockra, on 10 October 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

Ah fuck it, lynch me then, this is too fucking hard

Before you do, I'll tell you my Warlord suspicion so you have something to go on in that field. It's Telas. Why? Because he's the only person in my current location who I can't place in a faction.

If you want a Lu person, then Thyrllan is your best bet, he threw a vote on me when the lynch was definitely swinging towards Osseric, as Sorrit noticed at the time.

Well, toodles guys!

Madness

EDIT: I hit post w/o any words added

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 10 October 2011 - 09:10 PM