[Tennes]

Back. Well, thats one power player down. Osseric was JA... figures. I always follow his subtle little manipulations. He had me believing he was on my team. Weasel. Anyway, I am still all for a Meanas lynch. It's clear his non understanding of the emperor/officer relationship put him as something other than belonging to one of the 3 Kingdoms. Whether that be usurper, warlord, or something else. At this point, unless people are going to divulge information about their findings last night... I am poised to vote for Meanas. That being said... I am going to hold off on my vote, as it is early in day and not many have checked in from the weekend.

[Hood's Path]

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

On first read it sounded like a deflection away from Osseric spiralling out of control.

Right now, it sounds like it is perhaps more promising to do something with than the Osseric situation, as Silanah condeded themselves as they also reveal they did not act on info they obtained themselves seeing how they aren't a finder. I'll have to re-read which side's arguments I like best of Galain/ Meanas, although I get the strong impression they're both not what they pretend to be. In that case, getting rid of either seems a good plan, and considering the trains, it seems much, much easier to lynch Meanas.


I must say though, the Osseric spat interests me way more at the moment. The reason why I find that so interesting is because on my previous location (somewhere in or near Lu lands), a notice has been released sometime in the past that had the exact same wording as the one Osseric released... except that the name of Emurlahn was not Emurlahn's, but Osseric's .

I guess Silanah is acting on something very much like the notice I got (only he has Osseric as Yan Emperor), seeing how he claims he's not a finder.
Now, either one of these notices was true, or what we have here is a civil servant/military officer (most likely, but that is because I can't see the Usurper tinkering like that) who is releasing notices just to see who reacts on thread. That is actually a fairly smart move, as such players are usually on the same tile (or can move only 1 away) as the guy who released the notice, and therefore remain within their action range.

If Silanah's notice said Osseric is the Yan Emperor, it might have been done to out Lu and Xia players at no cost to the Yan, as Osseric may not even be Yan to begin with. However, I do think Osseric has a big role, seeing how they failed to appreciate how notices can be used.

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

For me, the choice is actually very simple. Removing a champion or warlord by voting Galain or Meanas would be good, but nailing a (potential) Emperor is worth forthgoing them for a day, in my opinion. Since our consensus so far seems to be that Osseric is fairly likely to be an Emperor based on his reactions, and since I and others have received information that he might be Lu's head honcho, I'll be more than happy to see if we can land this fish and measure its size. The Lu's are no friends of mine (which, if you analyse the vote trains, is already out in the open).

Vote Osseric

There are many choices for lynch but for some reason these posts by Barghast stood out to me. He clearly stated that he has been in or near Lu lands. Then he states that the Lu's are no friends of his. How can you claim traveling though a land yet be enemies of said land owners?

This was all said after you said this:

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:

Or Champion, I could just as well be a Warlord's underling.

In fact, by voting Serc, and only if he is Emperor, I can be anything but Lu and then any role in any faction, or perhaps even one of the three unmentioned roles, which might even make me Lu. By voting Tiamatha and keeping my vote there, I could even have been Lu if Serc comes up as their Emperor.

Since I firmly believe in faction games being won by keeping your own alignment hidden, not letting it become common knowledge that I'm probably not Lu-affiliated (and if Serc is the Lu Emperor, that probably will change into almost certainly), voting Tiamatha had the pleasant side benefit that I could still belong to any of the factions.

In all honesty, the only thing you have identified correctly is that I don't really care about being on or off Serc's lynch train, although I freely admit I am curious how he'll CF. Since so many think he is an Emperor he'll go down regardless of what he comes up with. Now, if he is an Emperor, there's one piece of the puzzle I'm not sure about. If Gamelon was distancing from Serc, that is acceptable since the civvie knows his Emperor. But.... why or how did Serc know enough to attack Emurlahn as vicious as he did? Did he want to save Gamelon, or was that a shot in the dark which embroiled him in a bitch fight with his own underling and his underlings mirror elsewhere? If he didn't know Gamelon, then this was one lesson in caution for power roles to not embroil themselves in early day skirmishes....

You are clearly trying to make people think that you are not Lu which I actually believe is the case. Very little has been spoken of regarding the barbarian clans in the northern most reaches. Me think you are a member of the Ma Choa

vote Barghast

[Silanah]

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

[Korlat]

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

Peeking in, still need to go and have some food.

Notices are circulated through the area, not to specific players or factions, it's in the mechanics post.

Also it is interesting to remember that earlier in the game Barghast was switching his vote between Tiam and Serc and seemed to care very little which team either was on which could also fit in to him being a warlord or champion.

[Silanah]

I was wrong, Mockra was first.

Mockra, on 07 October 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

I guess I should butt in with my little piece of info, though I dare say this might confuse things even more.

At the beginning of this day (by which I mean the game day, not real-life day) I received a notice which said that Osseric was Zhang Xiu, Emperor. Basically, it was the exact same notice that Osseric claims to have got the previous day, but with his name in place of Emurlahn's. After Silanah began attacking Osseric, I presumed that they had either received this notice themselves, or Silanah herself had sent it out.

I haven't immediately jumped on board because, obviously, a notice does not have to contain the truth. As we can already see, both Emur and Osseric can't be the Lu Emperor.

Hmm... Barghast could have copied Mockra to throw off people trying to pin down his location.

[Silanah]

Korlat, on 10 October 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

Peeking in, still need to go and have some food.

Notices are circulated through the area, not to specific players or factions, it's in the mechanics post.

Also it is interesting to remember that earlier in the game Barghast was switching his vote between Tiam and Serc and seemed to care very little which team either was on which could also fit in to him being a warlord or champion.

Well I went searching for that post for no reason. All these different mechanics are making my head hurt.

[Tennes]

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

There are many choices for lynch but for some reason these posts by Barghast stood out to me. He clearly stated that he has been in or near Lu lands. Then he states that the Lu's are no friends of his. How can you claim traveling though a land yet be enemies of said land owners?

Are you serious here? So does that mean you are just sitting in your capital? Unless you just camp in your capital, you are going to be in enemy territory. If you want to get actions to go through, you have to move. Traveling is an essential part to this game, and being in enemy territory is part of the process. Your ignorance on this topic has confused me. You just jumped up on my barbarian-o-meter. Or perhaps you just didn't read the rules. Either way, this seems like a very forced vote.

[Barghast]

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

Lemme see... I was on the Gamelon train, who turned out to be Lu. Day 2, I was first on the train of Tiamatha, then I switched to the train of Serc, who was suspected of being the Lu Emperor. Yesterday (well, friday), I countered JA's notice and branded him Lu, just when the Meanas train caught steam and the Osseric one seemed to lose it. Yeah, I'm DEFINATELY Lu . Or if I am, the next time I sign up for a game, the P-S of the day ought to disregard my sign up in a fit of momentary and very selective blindness


FYI, Sorrit brought the existence of a notice up first, but I was the one to reveal the actual contents, if I am not mistaken.



@HP: I'm also not a barbarian, sorry. It fits the avatar, though, so HP gets a special mention in my memoires for being able to connect visual (non)clues to factions. This is slightly off-set by his inability to read a map. Yong An, He Fei and Chang An are all three locations that border 2 kingdoms. In or around Lu lands could thus mean Yong An or Chang An as well as Tlan Shui or even Han Zhong. Now, it is very interesting that you vote me for perhaps being a barbarian, when yesterday it was more or less established in a rather amusing spat between Galain and Meanas that they don't really know the actual contents of your average Imperial Servant PM.... and you bypass that completely but prefer a vote on me. Should I be flattered?

Now, if we analyse your posts of the end of yesterday, you come on, consider the case against Osseric one of him perhaps being an Emperor based on his behavior, never mind the notices and the posts people made, call the case on Meanas the stronger one (despite it being one post only), and only vote Osseric after Mockra calls you out for trying to derail the Osseric lynch, thereby basically labeling you Lu, especially in hindsight. Your vote was rather wishywashy. So, I'm not going to vote you. You just made a case based on what was perfectly visible on thread: that the three votes where I've been on a lynch train so far have all come for players who were in the case of Serc alledgedly) Lu.

Now, if you desperately want to lynch a barbarian, I suggest you re-read the spat between Galain and Meanas. That's where my vote is going to go today, actually.

Vote Meanas.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

Barbarians can't create notices that we know of but if they are in the location where a notice is posted they see it just like everyone else. Barghast has made it known that he firmly believes in a faction game to keep your faction a secret. Yet he stated that he has been all over the Lu territory. Clearly this would lead people to believe that he is a member of the Lu. Yet he also stated that he isn't a friend of the Lu. To me these statements are contradictory. The statement of him moving all over the Lu territory has the ring of bragging to it. As a member of a central kingdom I've been unable to move onto other locations because it was already occupied by an enemy faction. If you take both statements into account for them to both be true he either has to be a barbarian that has a movement ability that allows them to occupy enemy controlled land without restriction (which is what I believe) or he truly is a member of the Lu and his statement about the Lu not being a friend of his was his attempt to distance himself from his faction members.

[Hood's Path]

Tennes, on 10 October 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

There are many choices for lynch but for some reason these posts by Barghast stood out to me. He clearly stated that he has been in or near Lu lands. Then he states that the Lu's are no friends of his. How can you claim traveling though a land yet be enemies of said land owners?

Are you serious here? So does that mean you are just sitting in your capital? Unless you just camp in your capital, you are going to be in enemy territory. If you want to get actions to go through, you have to move. Traveling is an essential part to this game, and being in enemy territory is part of the process. Your ignorance on this topic has confused me. You just jumped up on my barbarian-o-meter. Or perhaps you just didn't read the rules. Either way, this seems like a very forced vote.

Edit: Hit reply but didn't put in a reply.

Apparently you are the one sitting in your capital not trying to move. All borders at the beginning of the game had members of competing factions. Once one of the members of a competing faction was eliminated it no longer is enemy territory. It now belongs to the faction that has a player in it. The same goes for players that move away from the border leaving it to the enemy. If you tried to move back and there were no allies that were in the location you couldn't move back to it. For Barghast to claim to move THROUGH Lu territory not just the borders he has to be at minimum a member of the Lu. His claim to also be against Lu has to be taken into consideration. How can you claim both? Something is wrong here and it has nothing to do with Barghast alt looking like a barbarian. The info is in his posts. Barghast screwed up and you Tennes are looking like you are trying to cover for him.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 10 October 2011 - 06:08 PM

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 10 October 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

There are many choices for lynch but for some reason these posts by Barghast stood out to me. He clearly stated that he has been in or near Lu lands. Then he states that the Lu's are no friends of his. How can you claim traveling though a land yet be enemies of said land owners?

Are you serious here? So does that mean you are just sitting in your capital? Unless you just camp in your capital, you are going to be in enemy territory. If you want to get actions to go through, you have to move. Traveling is an essential part to this game, and being in enemy territory is part of the process. Your ignorance on this topic has confused me. You just jumped up on my barbarian-o-meter. Or perhaps you just didn't read the rules. Either way, this seems like a very forced vote.

There is that too. The only way to even get to target someone in a capital is to enter a border territory, which is where I picked up the Osseric = Lu Emperor notice. Now, that too makes sense because an action from a border territory can reach Osseric in his capital, and I think Osseric has been in Han Zhong all game long. This is reinforced by the fact that his lynch isn't attributed to violence but to an accident in a place which is close to Han Zhong and very much in Lu lands. Since to be able to move into a border territory, you need to either have an ally there, or it must be empty, it makes sense that it is likely that the border tiles already contain people of your own clan, and that of your enemy.... so that's just perhaps how I picked that notice up?

[Hood's Path]

Barghast, on 10 October 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

Lemme see... I was on the Gamelon train, who turned out to be Lu. Day 2, I was first on the train of Tiamatha, then I switched to the train of Serc, who was suspected of being the Lu Emperor. Yesterday (well, friday), I countered JA's notice and branded him Lu, just when the Meanas train caught steam and the Osseric one seemed to lose it. Yeah, I'm DEFINATELY Lu . Or if I am, the next time I sign up for a game, the P-S of the day ought to disregard my sign up in a fit of momentary and very selective blindness

That is why your comment regarding traveling through Lu terrritory rings so true. You are clearly not Lu yet if you were a main 3 faction member you wouldn't be able to travel through Lu land. Not much is known about the barbarians abilities and for balance purposes it's very possible that they might have the ability to move within enemy territory.

I'm off. I need to get some work done.

[Barghast]

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 05:57 PM, said:

Tennes, on 10 October 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

There are many choices for lynch but for some reason these posts by Barghast stood out to me. He clearly stated that he has been in or near Lu lands. Then he states that the Lu's are no friends of his. How can you claim traveling though a land yet be enemies of said land owners?

Are you serious here? So does that mean you are just sitting in your capital? Unless you just camp in your capital, you are going to be in enemy territory. If you want to get actions to go through, you have to move. Traveling is an essential part to this game, and being in enemy territory is part of the process. Your ignorance on this topic has confused me. You just jumped up on my barbarian-o-meter. Or perhaps you just didn't read the rules. Either way, this seems like a very forced vote.

Edit: Hit reply but didn't put in a reply.

Apparently you are the one sitting in your capital not trying to move. All borders at the beginning of the game had members of competing factions. Once one of the members of a competing faction was eliminated it no longer is enemy territory. It now belongs to the faction that has a player in it. The same goes for players that move away from the border leaving it to the enemy. If you tried to move back and there were no allies that were in the location you couldn't move back to it. For Barghast to claim to move THROUGH Lu territory not just the borders he has to be at minimum a member of the Lu. His claim to also be against Lu has to be taken into consideration. How can you claim both? Something is wrong here and it has nothing to do with Barghast alt looking like a barbarian. The info is in his posts. Barghast screwed up and you Tennes are looking like you are trying to cover for him.

Actually, what I said was:

Quote

(somewhere in or near Lu lands),

On the map, that means grey(ish) tiles. There are four of those, 3 of which also have a different colour. Now, if we go with your theory that there was 1 guy in each tile adjacent to each faction, then unless someone didn't move on day 1 before the lynch, everyone could move into any border tile between the 3 kingdoms. After that, the only guys unable to move into a territory between the kingdoms were Lu players moving into Gamelon's territory if no other Lu had moved there.

The reason why the barbarians are such a danger to Xia and Lu, is because they must travel through their enemies' capital, and unless they have mythical movement options, such as you suggest, the only way they can do so is by murdering everyone in there. In which up until now, they've clearly made an absolute spectacular effort, as evidenced by their absolute 100% successrate at killing people each and every night

[Barghast]

Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 10 October 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

Lemme see... I was on the Gamelon train, who turned out to be Lu. Day 2, I was first on the train of Tiamatha, then I switched to the train of Serc, who was suspected of being the Lu Emperor. Yesterday (well, friday), I countered JA's notice and branded him Lu, just when the Meanas train caught steam and the Osseric one seemed to lose it. Yeah, I'm DEFINATELY Lu . Or if I am, the next time I sign up for a game, the P-S of the day ought to disregard my sign up in a fit of momentary and very selective blindness

That is why your comment regarding traveling through Lu terrritory rings so true. You are clearly not Lu yet if you were a main 3 faction member you wouldn't be able to travel through Lu land. Not much is known about the barbarians abilities and for balance purposes it's very possible that they might have the ability to move within enemy territory.

I'm off. I need to get some work done.

So your entire case rests on me having some weird movement ability and a statement that clearly encompasses 4 potential locations plus Luo Yan and Jang Xia, but that you choose to interprete the way you like, in it meaning only 1 tile, namely Han Zhong?

[Barghast]

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

Korlat, on 10 October 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

From what we know, the barbarians don't have any of the any of the roles capable of creating a notice. And Barghast was the first one to bring up the notice (other than Osseric), correct? I'd have to look back. So if he was Ma Choa, he would have gotten the Notice from one of the Lu players about their own emperor? That doesn't really make sense.

I think it's far more likely that Barghast is Lu, but I'm not sold on that either. Could you bck up your Ma Choa idea a little more? If you have something else that's influencing that idea, I'm interested.

Peeking in, still need to go and have some food.

Notices are circulated through the area, not to specific players or factions, it's in the mechanics post.

Also it is interesting to remember that earlier in the game Barghast was switching his vote between Tiam and Serc and seemed to care very little which team either was on which could also fit in to him being a warlord or champion.

Well I went searching for that post for no reason. All these different mechanics are making my head hurt.

Actually, when I attacked him, Tiamatha was branded by me as a likely barbarian for his murder-all-the-emperors scheme, which would hamper all the 3 kingdom factions, the Usurper but would be hugely in the favor of the warlords.

[Meanas]

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that’s about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don’t know if they’re in my faction though, and I don’t know if they know if I’m in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I’ve made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I’m perfectly aware that unfortunately, I’m probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you’ve been guessing that I’m two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I’ll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it’s actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

[Sorrit]

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

So if i'm to believe everything you've said so far, you are suggesting that you're not an emperor OR part of the LU faction, Or the Xia faction, You're not a warlord or champion so you're not in their faction? So you're basically saying you are a civil official of one of 2 factions, am I right so far?

I have read and re read this post and I feel that you are painting a sign over your head saying, "I am the Usurper", I mean come on we have already lynched someone for saying they have a finder ability and you are saying this to us now, I ask myself the question why? Why reveal and why give information out freely the way you did? I think it's because you have more to hide, I think we are on to something here, such a defensive early post. I wasn't thinking of voting for you today, I was thinking that we may put some pressure on you today and look at other avenues yet you have firmly caught my gaze and I cannot look anywhere else, the above post seems to scummy for me, too desperate.

I'm going to have a read through the thread, look at the trains and form some connections in my mind, but that ^ makes me wonder about you.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2011 - 09:26 PM, said:

It is 228 AD. 3 hours and 22 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

10 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan, Okaros, Hood's Path)
5 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

Might want to get your facts straight before you go an point erroneous fingers at strawman targets, old bean. I changed my vote to Osseric, if you cared to look. The rest on that train are bound to have at least one Lu, I want to see exactly who was derailig from Meanas lynch on that day.

[Meanas]

Oh please, do me a favour. Before the weekend you all had your "we'll lynch Meanas after Osseric" caps on, as demonstrated by one early vote on me already. Rather than waiting for the inevitable cascade of votes (as most prefer the easy option of going for an identified target rather than doing some investigating of their own) I've pre-empted it by telling you why I'm not the things you say I am.

So of course you now paint me as the only other major role out there straight away Sorrit. That despite the fact that that would be COMPLETELY contradictory to the previous argument that, because I supposedly didn't know that officials knew their emperor, I must be warlord or emperor myself. But who would be more aware of who their emperor is than the Usurper Sorrit? Your argument makes absolutely no sense, you're pulling things out of your ass trying to make something stick to me. Because you're too lazy to do any proper investigating.

There is a whole lynch train out there for you. Have you bothered? No. There is another previous train on me. Have you bothered looking at that? No. Because you're lazy. Because you're happy to lynch me. Because I'm right here in front of you, visible and willing to talk.

Now excuse me while I go and actually construct a case (after dinner).

[Meanas]

Sheltatha Lore, on 10 October 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2011 - 09:26 PM, said:

It is 228 AD. 3 hours and 22 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

10 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan, Okaros, Hood's Path)
5 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that's about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don't know if they're in my faction though, and I don't know if they know if I'm in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I've made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I'm perfectly aware that unfortunately, I'm probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you've been guessing that I'm two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I'll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it's actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

Might want to get your facts straight before you go an point erroneous fingers at strawman targets, old bean. I changed my vote to Osseric, if you cared to look. The rest on that train are bound to have at least one Lu, I want to see exactly who was derailig from Meanas lynch on that day.

Apologies, I must have looked at an older PS post. Still, at least you have your thinking cap on, unlike Sorrit.


Edit: Ah, I didn't update my notes on the votes, that's why.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 10 October 2011 - 08:06 PM