[Osseric]

I missed it the first time around, because I was running to catch my bus home (I quickly answered a post I saw appear right above mine)

Although I admire his fair-play of not completely editing his post, the first part is a big WTF? because I'm not even a civil officer and I know my Emperor. And the second part, like I said, I can't even remember when the last time the PM were mentioned.

[Osseric]

As for your case, Silanah, I come back to this:

You accuse me (generally) of seeming like leading the thread. I remember the first two days that many people were indeed agreeing with what I said, a few quotes of my posts with people saying "good post from Osseric there". I remember because it felt good

However, my point is that leading does not equal leader. If I make sense, people will agree; I dare hope you haven't been around agreeing with everything your emperor says just because he's your emperor (I know I didn't). I think in this game the big roles will not say things for people to agree with, but will tend to say they agree with what is said. This because:

- agreeing with someone makes him feel nice about you subconciously
- saying something new increase the chances that someone will NOT agree, and if you're not a finder like I accuse you of, you've proven that once someone starts looking at you seriously, the heat is on. And that's not a position a big role wants to be in.

This being a faction game, if I did something to make you think I'm not in your team (besides a hypothetic find), then by all means go at me. I don't think it's with Gamelon, as I said I had nothing to do with his lynch. Serc maybe, but then who wants to keep a finder around? And for Tiam, I repeat that my quick vote was the only way to not give info about my faction.

All I can think of is that after I kicked Emur in the balls, he quoted my posts and accused me of leading, then I saw a string of posts saying that Osseric stinks (even that my posts were rusted knife in the eyes or something), and then you.

[Silanah]

Yeah, I'm with you here Osseric. Something is majorly wrong with that. I'm just not sure if it was on purpose, or accidental.

edit: x-post

This post has been edited by Silanah: 06 October 2011 - 05:52 PM

[Silanah]

As I've said, emur's post made me want to examine people, and I found you interesting.

I suspect you're the emperor of Yan because:

Not because you LEAD, but because others FOLLOW.

We know who our emperor is. People seem to be symping you a bit, and that is an indicator of some kind of position that others would know you.

You mention Yan SO many times in your posts. You also put yourself in the position of an Emperor several times.

I think I'm going to stop now. Other people need to put their opinions out there.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on 06 October 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does that mean that the Lu dynasty had 2 military officers? Or rather they have had two so far? Wasn't Gamelon something similar?

Considering civvies/ militaries can switch roles, it may be they are the rank and file of the Imperial factions. Emperor and PM seem unique roles (on a faction level) same as warlords. So, 2 warlords, 3 Emperors, 3 Prime Ministers, 1 Usurper = 9 unique roles, 16 remaining roles/players to be divided between 3 unknown roles, Civvies/Militaries and champions.

It seems a safe bet that the 3 unknowns are unique roles, too, so that leaves 13 players who are either a civil officer, military officer, or Champion. My own guesstimate is 2 champions per rebel faction, leaving 9 players. 3 civvies/ military officers per faction and we have an all-round, equal split with evenly sized factions except for the one where the Usurper sits in.
The Empress coming from the Phoenix speculation, might be one of the unmentioned roles, if she exists.

so, are you suggestign that each of the 3 unknown roles is in its own faction?
or am I missing smth here?

[Emurlahn]

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Woa, lots of info there

A comment I want to make: Silanah has become obsessed about me, because Silanah is a finder and she must have investigated me as not in her team last night.

So she wants me lynched, and for this she can't say why, so she tries to make me into an Emperor to convince you to vote (because that's the only way to convince people to vote, we all know our Emperors so if someone we don't know is an Emperor, he's not ours). After my CF she's just go "oops, that was unexpected" , sound contrite on thread and pat herself in the back silently.


She's trying wayyy to hard to take everyone of my posts, summarize, and add at the end "... so he's an Emperor". Sometimes it will be hard to answer because I don't always see the logic. But I will make a statement in my next post.

What do you mean by the bolded part? I for one don't know who my emperor is, and I warrant the majority of players don't know the identity of their emperors.

Edit: Ugh, ignore. For some reason I thought you were speaking about the PM. Brain melt fart.

are you a PM or something? because no one has mentioned them as of yet.

[Osseric]

Silanah, on day 1 you voted Gamelon AFTER me, and on day 3 you voted Tiam AFTER ME

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

Vote Tiam

For all the previously mentioned reasons.

So you case I find slightly ironic.

Also:

When did you not follow me? On day 2, after Serc revealed Tiam as Xia, you voted Tiam instead of the finder.
And now, you attack me saying I'm the Yan emperor.

Your faction is starting to show, you're playing with fire, girl...

[Korlat]

Here and catching up, lots of pages to read through, had a quick look over the lynch and the resolution of night, looks like there was definitely a vote that wasn't counted or someone had their lynch blocked in some manner, very interesting. The 'silver spear' made me think of the white riders for some reason but i'm not so sure on the whole.

[Osseric]

Have posts been deleted? I'm trying to understand the timeline of the heat I got after giving Emurlahn a wedgie, and I'm certain there was a post about my posts being painful to read like rusty nails or something, and I can't find it no more.

[Osseric]

No, sorry, found it. Jagged glass spoon, nice

Omtose, on 06 October 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

Well that was some of the most interesting reading that I have done in a long time. After reading through all of that I am struck by 2 things the only reason that Tiam is at l-1 is that everyone kept following everyone else and saying that he was a distraction. Whereas I read him and thought that he tried everthing but throwing the kitchen sink at the thread to try to derail his lynch train. It is a shame that he is going to get lynched as he is fun to read. A lot better then the rest of "I agree it's a problem, Yes your right he is creating confusion" posts that people were dropping. The second thing is that Emu has started to make cases the old fashioned way and it is beautiful to behold. A pure joy reading that. Thank you.

Now I am a little irritated that so many of you were quick to buy into the thought that the phoenix represented the usurper but barely a peep when I said what the phoenix represented in ancient China. Drek puts clues in the scenes she has done so for each game. Drek also knows more about China history and legends then anyone else. So for her to put the phoenix into the mix in relation to the usurper is a obvious clue that a female character who hunts for the usurper has been activated. That the phoenix is the symbol of the south which is where the Yan are based out of. Makes it fairly obvious that a female character in the south has been activated who can hunt down the usurper.

I find certain styles of play irritating and right now Osserics is very grating to me. Very pushy in your face. Reading him is like tearing my eyes out with a jagged glass spoon.

[Silanah]

Of course some people are going to vote on another's ideas. I was speaking of the intense partnerships emur pointed out.

That last part is, again, just WIFOM, because of all the possibilities.

[Osseric]

So, after Emur's post, we had Ruse, Silanah, Omtose, Okaros, Barghast, Selthata Lore making a nice comment on how awesome Emur was for doing a case on the two people in the game who attacked him.

This is a mix of

1) people who are in his team in case the hypothesis that Emur is an emperor is true
2) people with power roles, in particular warlords, who are more than happy that pressure has been applied on someone who is not them and want to add to it without really adding anything of value
3) sheep

I mean, when I see a case, who goes "ooooooh nice" besides ass-kissers? If you like it, add to it (like Silanah did), and at least let the concerned people answer it first.

[Osseric]

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 06:33 PM, said:

Of course some people are going to vote on another's ideas. I was speaking of the intense partnerships emur pointed out.

That last part is, again, just WIFOM, because of all the possibilities.

Intense partnership? With whom? What the hell, I'll have to check Emur's post again.

I thought you made your own case, Silanah, why you bring back Emur into this?

[Silanah]

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

So, after Emur's post, we had Ruse, Silanah, Omtose, Okaros, Barghast, Selthata Lore making a nice comment on how awesome Emur was for doing a case on the two people in the game who attacked him.

This is a mix of

1) people who are in his team in case the hypothesis that Emur is an emperor is true
2) people with power roles, in particular warlords, who are more than happy that pressure has been applied on someone who is not them and want to add to it without really adding anything of value
3) sheep

I mean, when I see a case, who goes "ooooooh nice" besides ass-kissers? If you like it, add to it (like Silanah did), and at least let the concerned people answer it first.

This is a good point. I was guilty of this on day 1 because I knew that high posters tend to get lynched there. It's much safer to just smile and agree than actually make a case. (Clearly. If you make a case against someone, they will probably come after you).

[Silanah]

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 06:33 PM, said:

Of course some people are going to vote on another's ideas. I was speaking of the intense partnerships emur pointed out.

That last part is, again, just WIFOM, because of all the possibilities.

Intense partnership? With whom? What the hell, I'll have to check Emur's post again.

I thought you made your own case, Silanah, why you bring back Emur into this?

His massive post thingy sparked my case. I didn't bother to do the connection parts, since he already did it.

[Emurlahn]

because I, apparently, "opened her eyes" to how she's been led the entire game.

i'm not sure what conclusions to draw from this. i'm observing with interest, but I also have another 150 pages of reading to get through, so i'll reserve comment.

[Osseric]

OK, fuck that, sorry for the multi-quotes but I'll answer post by post.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:

Osseric, on 30 September 2011 - 06:11 AM, said:

Well, I'm already voting for Gamelon, so...


Some thoughts:

We had discussions going on early about associations between Emurlahn and Gamelon, and between Gamelon and Serc. True or false, it's not obvious (only time will tell), but what I find interesting is that the reaction of each of them was to vote for the one they were accused of being linked to.

I find it interesting because of the purpose such a vote serves. What does it prove? In a faction game, if you are associated to someone, and that person dies, the other players will use the CF to "conclude" about your faction, which is the worse place to be. What's the problem of being "associated" with someone? I fail to see it, as long as the other player is alive and unknown.

Thus, to me, it would have made much more sense for them to try to attack someone else entirely. That they voted the person they were accused of being linked to serves only to "disprove" the association, and serves little other purpose. The fact that they had this reflex is interesting.

P.S. I don't want to undermine the "case" they had on each other when they voted, which is something else entirely; but I think it's a strange coincidence that they all ended up voting each other.

Here Osseric talks about being associated.

So Emur has found an association between osseric, sorrit, and meanas? (Correct me if I'm wrong here, that was a long post).

So being associated is fine unless one of them is lynched...

Doesn't sound like Emurlahn found an "intense partnership" if you can't remember it. I saw that Meanas already answered Emur's post, and I agree with what he said. And yes, you understood me well.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Osseric, on 01 October 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 30 September 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

snip

Ok folks, bear with me, while I try to explain things.

Killing Emperors as EARLY as possible benefits the majority greatly (unless you belong in the same faction duhhh) because we might catch the Emperor under which Sima Yi (Usurper) operates and force him to become the new faction without allowing him the opportunity to recruit as heavy as possible, thus minimizing his damage potential.


snip

Tiamantha is really putting some wall of text just to explain a few of her comments from day 1. I find her obsession with the Usurper interesting. She was brought into the light for being the one to mention it, and now spends a lot of energy "explaining" herself.

I won't go through her whole post, but just an example from the first sequence I left there: Killing Emperors as EARLY as possible does indeed seem to screw up the Usurper, but what's missing from her posts is why she is so obsessed about the danger of the Usurper.

At this point, any lynch benefits the majority, none of the factions are a majority obviously.

But, Tiamantha gets called by Omtose with "You know what they say about the first person who brings up a role, right?" and it opened a floodgate

On posts 257 and 314, Tiamantha sends us walls of text to explain to us that our whole day 1 strategy should have been to
1) Conclude that Gamelon was indeed a civil servant before the CF and not lynch him
2) Conclude who was his Emperor based on his signals
3) Attack the Emperor.
4) See who is reluctant to vote (in this case, we found the Usurper because it might be that this was the Usurper's Emperor)
5) See who would prefer to vote Emur instead (In this case, we found the Usurper because, actually, I didn't get this part in Tiam's post)

(Assuming we live in bizarro-mafia where this kind of thing can happen on day 1)

Now she even says we missed our chance, why? Why not stay silent and try her strategy again today, if she really believes it? Nothing has changed, except now we are certain that Gamelon was a civil servant.

It sounds like she doesn't want to catch the Usurper, as much as she wants tell us how much she wants to catch the Usurper.

Reading the roles which are described, we have the Chinese factions, warlords and champions who can night kill, and some mysterious roles which might be quite dangerous/powerful. Then we have the Usurper, apparently alone and, from the phrasing, not able to recruit from the start, and who will become a faction when her emperor dies. I'm not trying to downplay the danger of the Usurper, there is a lot of unknown about the details of his role. But Tiam went from someone who was called for bringing up the role first to someone who's trying way to hard to explain to us why she brought up the role first.

I think today I will vote Serc, he's the best candidate for Gamelon's Emperor in my opinion. But I would consider voting Tiam also because something is going on in her role PM.

Here, Osseric is talking down the importance of finding the usurper asap. Is he doing this because he is the Usurper? Or it could be that he is an emperor that doesn't want lynched.

I don't talk down the importance of the Usurper, I wonder why Tiam is so keen to build the whole game around it. I don't get your second sentence, only that you added "emperor" to add to your "case" on me.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 06:44 AM, said:

Okaros, on 04 October 2011 - 05:46 AM, said:

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 05:35 AM, said:

I have to think about that reveal. I'm not sure what would be the point of a fake reveal, specially considering that Tiam doesn't seem to contradict him (I might be wrong, I read the last pages quick, I'll go back to read them again)

But just one thing: when Serc put out his reveal to prove he was not an Emperor, I don't think he actually did. Because of the find, people assume now he's the Prime Minister of Lu, but then how would Gamelon know to symp him on page 1? But look at the Prime Minister role from the OP:

Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.

edit: removed some strange html tag from copy/pasting

Not quite sure what you're saying here. Are you suggesting that the "extra information" bit implies that an emperor would have a find ability as well? Or that a PM can communicate off thread with an emperor?

I don't know the mechanics, but if the PM can find, and provide information to the Emperor, there's a chance that the Emperor could be kept aware of finds not made by himself.

i.e. it doesn't add to the case that Serc might be an Emperor, but it doesn't invalidate it completely either.

Lots of talk from an Emperor perspective.

The hell? There were discussions as to whether Serc was Gamelon's emperor due to the big interactions between the two on day 1. I point out the obvious, i.e. that Serc's reveal didn't invalidate that. Put the posts in context, there were discussions around at the time. I didn't pull that out of my ass.

[Emurlahn]

another oddity in connection to the whole "we need 13 votes to lynch Tiam" deal

Thyr has made several posts, in which he has repeatedly stated how it's good that his vote wasn't needed for a lynch. once it was in tesponse to an accusation that he didn't vote. and then he did it again on the Tiam lynch train.

something to keep in mind, in case there's any base to Kesso's speculations.

[Osseric]

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 October 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

back from nap (good)

gotta go to class and then work (bad)



people still can't move on past Tiam, it seems. to thepoint of failing reading comprehension.

Looking at the post count, Emurlahn is one of the highest poster. And yet I don't remember him confronting any of the other players, and coming out with anything of value except the occasional nodding to what is said and facebook posts. Besides also the comma business which he handled miserably.

You keep saying Yan is the biggest faction. Where do you get that? What's your point? You want to hunt Yan, say it. Don't just drop some lame hints and complain that people don't get them. You want to hunt Yan? Serc was Yan. What did Serc do? What did Serc say? You want to do something and get your ideas through instead of cruising along? Cause so far Emurlahn is hiding in plain sight.

Here Osseric calls Emur out on not doing anything (Understandable, this was before his 4 massive posts). Yet the only thing Osseric has done to this point was point out the next in line to be lynched, he hasn't really made any cases. Osseric seems mighty suspicious.

"Understandable", thank you for that.

I point out the next in line to be lynched? Read again, I shook him into play. And when you say I haven't made any case, I take slightly offense, the Serc reveal on Tiam was in great part due to the pressure I was trying to apply at the same time on Serc and on Tiam. You can't make cases without pressure.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm a bit surprised about the lack of pressure on Tiam so far today.

Comment 1: Was Serc telling the truth about her? Well, we know Serc was a CO with finding abilities, and he was Yan. He revealed Tiam as Xia. What did he have to win by lying?

Comment 2: We know the Usurper appeared last night, with a nice "pheonix reborn" scene that also tells us that he is in one of the three "empire" factions. We know Tiam is part of the empire factions. Her revealed name doesn't fit, but was the Usurper called Sima Yi from the start? (i.e. can she be found before activating?).

Now, if someone can explain to me why the Usurper should be in Yan, I'm all ears, because I'm not sure I get it. If that's the case, maybe we should indeed try to re-read and figure out candidates from Serc's posts, but if the Usurper is a civil official, Serc would not necesserally know of him. It would not be an easy task

Comment 3: Tiam's faction is revealed in a faction game. Sorry, but she's a dead woman walking. Everyone but his team should want her lynched, and his team can't afford to sound hesitant. Unless those looking for her location are trying to get her vigged, but meh.

vote Tiam

In this post (as well as the previous I replied to), Osseric AGAIN refuses something involving the Yan. I'm thinking that Osseric is an Emperor, from previous posts, and the way he defends Yan leads me to believe he is their emporer.

Nothing about me being Emperor, just me being Yan. I was ironically talking about Yan because Emur was obsessed about repeating that Yan was plurality, and the faction of the Usurper. I was asking for why.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 05:08 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

secondly: a lot of you seem to think i'm Xia. more power to you. since you do think that, i'll play along and tell you why it's a bad idea to vote Xia.

the game had 25 players.

3 families, 2 warlords, and the usurper.


now, keep in mind, this game was designed a while ago, before we played the tales. so, the final showdown was always going to feature 3 kingdoms + the usurper.
if the usurper is a 1 man faction, we would be looking at 3 families, 8 man strong.

however, the warlords were added, because the Xia and the Lu lost their minis. thus, the warlord factions were "carved out" of their allotment of players. meaning, they started out with 5-6 players each. let's assume (WCS for me, since i'm supposedly Xia) that the northern kingdoms have 5 each, and hte warlords each have 3 (warlord, champion and someone we don't know yet). that leaves yan with 8. minus Sima Yi. still 7

now, lu lost one, yan lost one. no guarantees that last night's recruit was Yan. no matter how you put it, Yan has plurality at this point.

since all of you assume i'm xia, i'm gonna do what a xia would do in this situation--that is, look for more Yan.

When did anyone called you Xia? What an emo post.

I just accused you of not confronting anyone, repeating the same thing (Yan iz big!) without going anywhere with this idea (and getting annoyed when others didn't either)

About the Yan: Maybe I don't put enough importance to the influence of previous games, but if Lu and Xia have to deal with the warlords and not Yan, then balance rules would actually tell me that Yan would be smaller than the others, since they already have a "geographical" advantage. It's not like D'rek would double-punish two factions in a game just because the way other players played in previous ones. To me, if the Usurper is in the Yan, then the geographical advantage might be balanced, so I feel everyone is equal in size.

Then saw your mega-posts, but I'm not certain if you accuse me or Meanas there (or everyone else that you mention in there). I just like how you read into the fact that after you spazzed out (you can't defend from a typo? how about just saying " , and m are next to each other on the keyboard " instead of freaking out like a vampire in a garlic factory?) those that attacked you were "zombies". Maybe many people say you just acted strange, you know?

Osseric is OBSESSED with the Yan. After this re-read it is extremely obvious.

Again.


And then some irony:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

I have to go to class. I'll be back in about 3 hours

meanwhile, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is

vote Osseric
for attempting to run the game, for strawmanning me, and because I susspect him to be a high-ranking player due to the deference he gets on thread.

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

In conclusion to my multitude of posts:

Osseric is an obvious choice for the Yan emperor after reading through.

There's my option for a lynch today. Someone give me another option, if you see a better one.

Vote Osseric

Early day vote, will change as needed.

Edit: X-posted with emur and HP.

[Osseric]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

another oddity in connection to the whole "we need 13 votes to lynch Tiam" deal

Thyr has made several posts, in which he has repeatedly stated how it's good that his vote wasn't needed for a lynch. once it was in tesponse to an accusation that he didn't vote. and then he did it again on the Tiam lynch train.

something to keep in mind, in case there's any base to Kesso's speculations.

Why would someone's vote not count, though? That's a bit of a nasty role to have, it's something that becomes pretty obvious as time goes by.

I'm trying to think to what "role" that could be attached, but I don't see it. Was there a precedent in the previous Rot3K games?