[Osseric]

Back.

Interesting the pat between Meanas and Galain, and the way Galain used the OP to support his view that Meanas' slip incompatible with empire folks instead of paraphrasing his role PM. Okaros did the same:

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

Checking in from the library.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

It was a genuine mistake, which I didn't explain well enough in the edit. I had a brain melt and for some reason was of the belief that officials in the factions knew the PM, not the emperor (that is, I'd got it into my head that I'd been told my PM by Path-Shaper, rather than my emperor). I realised my error as soon as I posted it.

I know a great deal might be made of this, but this is along the same lines (ironically) as Emurlahn's comma-gate.

I wouldn't say this error is anything like Emur's comma typo, at least in terms of scale. The typo seemed to be a physical mishap, whereas the Meanas post involved information that is considered by many to be false. Whether or not it was just a misunderstanding, or planting false information, or just a mistake, it undoubtedly casts greater suspicion on Meanas. A dangerous situation, considering the case presented against both Meanas and Osseric.

remove vote


I would like to go through some of the arguments once more before voting again. It will have to wait until after I finish my business in the library.

[Osseric]

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

[Osseric]

Anyways, I have a day where I'll be mostly out of the office, i.e. away from my computer. I'll be back from time to time but way less than normal.

I'm happy with my vote on Meanas; maybe I'm too strong with this, but I don't think that anyone in the Empires would get confused that the name we know is the Emperor and not the PM, even as a brain fart, so I think he's a champion and/or warlord.

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

*clap*

except i'm not Zhang Xiu

and you attacked me on day 3.
Day 2 was all about serc and Tiam.

I must ask once again, what do you have against me?

[Osseric]

I got it late in day 2, and what was I supposed to do, disrupt everything? We had way more interesting things happening after Serc's reveal than an anonymous Notice. No-one else reacted either, and I doubt I'm alone at my location.

On day 3 Tiam had to go because her faction was revealed. If I voted you then people would have accused me of derailing from Tiam and being with her.

Plus, I trusted this notice with 10-foot pole, so I didn't push a lynch on you, just tried to get you to bring you back in the game. If you were what the Notice said, only good things can come out of that. If not, well at least it got you to stop cruising.

However, considering the situation I am in now, I do believe I got played, hence my full disclosure.

[Osseric]

Actually, on the spot I just assumed someone was trying to save Serc, who was being voted for being the most probable emperor to Gamelon in the ol' fashioned Culture hunt we had going (hence the choice of Zhang Xui). It's after the CF I looked at it again.

I'm off for a bit.

[Emurlahn]

tomorrow afternoon's gonna be hectic: I have a few errands to run, and in the evening i'll be flying home for the long weekend.

i'll be on for a solid chunk of hours in the morning, thouhg.



right now, it's sleep time.

[Galain]

Done for the night here, too.

Other people can do shit now.

[Sorrit]

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

If this is the case, then surely there'd be others that would back up your claim? I have had no such Notice or Pm so it is interesting. Why would a finder give up his option to move to a location to give a false notice? Just to try and get Emur lynched? Well, consider what you are saying, you are saying that said finder would have to know that there are other people in his location, the only person that knows who is in what location is the civil officer/military official and he only knows the emperor of his faction. So for you to get a notice would be to assume that you were an emperor.

If Emur is not Zhang Xiu then i'd suggest you are. You have thought long and hard over night why Silanah has come after you, you think it is due to a find and wonder if a) she is a finder or received a notice herself, if its a) you're screwed because your an emperor if its then you come out and post a post like that ^

[Sorrit]

D, on 24 August 2011 - 10:37 PM, said:

There are 10 role types in the game. Here's an overview of 7 of them.


Emperor
Each middle kingdom is commanded by an Emperor. Emperors know most of the role names and Locations of the players in their kingdom, but not the alts. They do know the alts of their Prime Ministers. Emperors have special abilities that can affect numerous players, but may involve some risk in using.


Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.


Civil Official
Civil Officials can use the standard guard and find night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Military Officers.


Military Officer
Military Officers can use the standard heal and kill night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Civil Officials.

Warlord
Ma Chao and Gongsun Zan are Warlords. They each command their own faction and are initially limited to the extreme edges of the map.


Champion
Champions are the underlings of warlords. They can use the standard kill night action.


Usurper
There is one Usurper: Sima Yi. He is an underling in one of the middle kingdoms. At some point in the game, he will begin recruiting followers to his cause. When his Emperor dies, Sima Yi becomes an Emperor (at which point he can no longer recruit) and his followers become the Jin faction.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

You, on the other hand, have demonstrated where you get your information from - the OP -

Actually, no, I haven't, but I'm obviously not about to quote my PM to prove it. Just that it told me my Emperor's character name and alt.

So are you one of the undefined roles? Is that what you are suggesting here? Because no one in the OP knows their emperors name and alt, but not their location..

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

That's interesting, because mine also told me the location of my emperor. Yours didn't? Yeah, fake PMs tend to leave stuff out don't they.

My Role PM did not include the location of my Emperor.

Anyone actually part of a Kingdom will know why. Thanks for giving away that you aren't.

No actually, I don't know why. Care to explain?

[Sorrit]

I'd be willing to keep Osseric around and vote for Galain because of his indiscrepencies above, it looks as if he is not part of a faction. Thoughts?

Also can someone explain to me the case againt Meanas? I just want to understand it better. What was the original post?

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

Only civil officials (and their counterpart military officers) plus the Usurper can send out Notices. So the absolute majority of the people who can send a notice are people who are/ can turn themselves into finders. Why they would do so is very simple, and consists of multiple facets. Reasons for publishing your find in a notice:


1. Gather pre-emptive support for a (bad) case you have to make on someone you believe is important enough to lynch based on your find result. Since your case relies on a find, you're going to have to go with what you can dig up on that guy;
2. Let your find-result reach others in your faction so that if you die, there's a chance the knowledge continues;
3. See who reacts so you know their location and perhaps their alignment;
4. You're not going to move anyway so better use that notice ability to your best benefit.

the fact that you ask this, makes me think you haven't reasoned most of this out yet.
If you had, you wouldn't ask it as it only invites people to point out the inconsistency. Couple that with the fact that you also didn't take the fact into account that those who can post notices, are civvies/military officers (of which we now have confirmation that there are multiple per faction thanks to Rashan also turning up as a military (and therefore, also civvie)), plus the Usurper, makes me think you definately aren't a simple cogwheel in any Kingdom's bureaucracy, but a bit more of a head honcho or special role.

[Telas]

Right. I have returned, had my coffee and gone through the thread. I'll be commenting on posts so forgive me for making several in a row bellow this point.

[Telas]

The fuck? All my MultiQuotes are gone. Mother of zombie Jesus that's annoying. Those were the combined result of almost 5 pages of thread!

Christ.


Right, well.

The big scuffle seems to be between Meanas and Galain, with Silanah's attack on Osseric becoming a sideshow, or so it seems at any rate.

I'm especially curious about Galain who makes several claims about what we can and cannot know about our Emperors. It's interesting that both Meanas and himself seem confused about some aspects of Imperial life and it's rather amusing to imagine the two Warlords fighting each other rather than the three kingdoms. Still, I wouldn't automatically assume that they are, which would be rather dangerous.

Osseric seemed to freak out a little when Silanah went for his jugular. Still, accusing her of being a finder seems a little odd if he indeed happened to be an Emperor. It would be somewhat unconventional to strengthen your attackers case on you if it happened to be true. At the same time, one can speculate that he simply tried to make Silanah go the way of Serc and the Dodo by stamping her forehead with a big FINDER mark. It is however telling that after a few votes to his name the entire thread seemed to shift away with Meanas and later Galain receiving all of the attention.

As it stands though I'd be interested in seeing whether the Warlord hypothesis works out and as such would rather vote for Meanas or Galain at this time.

Man, I had so many nice little posts to comment. It makes me sad.

[Barghast]

Telas, on 07 October 2011 - 08:38 AM, said:

Right. I have returned, had my coffee and gone through the thread. I'll be commenting on posts so forgive me for making several in a row bellow this point.

I think I should stop holding my breath waiting for your posts?
EDIT: cross-post. Now that makes me look like a cock.


Not entirely fair coming from me as I've been forced to skim the thread a lot, especially in the last two game days, work is horrendous and the evenings are filled with other fun stuff. Hopefully the weekend will give a chance for a full re-read.

This post has been edited by Barghast: 07 October 2011 - 09:02 AM

[Telas]

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 October 2011 - 08:38 AM, said:

Right. I have returned, had my coffee and gone through the thread. I'll be commenting on posts so forgive me for making several in a row bellow this point.

I think I should stop holding my breath waiting for your posts?
EDIT: cross-post. Now that makes me look like a cock.


Not entirely fair coming from me as I've been forced to skim the thread a lot, especially in the last two game days, work is horrendous and the evenings are filled with other fun stuff. Hopefully the weekend will give a chance for a full re-read.

I'm impressed you can hold your breath for that long. Has it something to do with the hat? Lack of proper facial hair?

[Telas]

Also that ship movement thing is rather odd. Dunno what to make of that.

[Barghast]

Telas, on 07 October 2011 - 09:19 AM, said:

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 October 2011 - 08:38 AM, said:

Right. I have returned, had my coffee and gone through the thread. I'll be commenting on posts so forgive me for making several in a row bellow this point.

I think I should stop holding my breath waiting for your posts?
EDIT: cross-post. Now that makes me look like a cock.


Not entirely fair coming from me as I've been forced to skim the thread a lot, especially in the last two game days, work is horrendous and the evenings are filled with other fun stuff. Hopefully the weekend will give a chance for a full re-read.

I'm impressed you can hold your breath for that long. Has it something to do with the hat? Lack of proper facial hair?

That, and the breath support that's hidden by the fancy skull dangling on my chest.

[Barghast]

Telas, on 07 October 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

Also that ship movement thing is rather odd. Dunno what to make of that.

Unless D'rek decided to post flavor text now and then, I guess this was a player action, seeing how ships are transports, it seems to be a move action, and it seems overkill to do that for a regular move. Since it features the Yan as the ones boarding the ship, the action is presumably taken by a Yan player. So, we're looking at a special action by a Yan, I think - perhaps their Emperor? The PM?

[Barghast]

Also, 5 anons reading the thread and we're the only ones posting. Get out here and say something, you silly lurkers.