[Sorrit]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

As for a lack of response to the cases against me, I felt I had explained myself sufficiently earlier in the day. Eg. #118, #127. A case made on page 2 is never going to be as strong as one made on page 5, and by the point I came back this evening I felt that enough muck had been stirred up to look at everyone else. I guess there were questions raised about my early interaction with Serc that I haven't responded to. Well in part I have responded by violently attacking Serc, in a manner that you seem to feel is unfounded. As to the rest of it, well, messing around in the first few posts is going to be my strategy. I've decided that playing things safe and boring doesn't work, so I am switching to trying out a different approach. I remember playing past games as scum and being mightily confused when people seemed to be symping me at the beginning. I aimed to create some confusion amongst a few players, cast some doubts - that niggling feeling of "Is he talking to me?" Is really quite off-putting when you've got a nice juicy role. Especially in a faction game where you're supposed to be on the lookout for teammates.

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely .

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

Am I reading this wrong or is Gamelon suggesting he is playing a scum type role and is trying to find a different way to play it? He can't be the Usurper surely.

[Sorrit]

Tiamatha, on 30 September 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

Ok, I see something that I'm going to address. Please bear with me for a while here, and do understand that it's quite early, and I just woke up, so if I mess the quote lines.... I apologize (I don't give a $#@^ actually, just playing nice).


And BTW, sorry P-S for not mentioning it sooner, I'd like to see a weekend freeze with clock stopped but thread open for discussion.


Ever since I mentioned "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" some people commented on that. I will quote those parts for easier reference later on, and I will try to explain a bit my train of thought. Do I really have to? Nope. But I'm getting ready to leave, and while waiting for the CF there isn't a lot going on I guess... [And technically speaking I wasn't the first to ever mention the role, Gamelon did and then Osseric did, prior to me].

Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Woke up to find some pages. Love it.

I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.

I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.

I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 06:29 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

And by the way, am I the only one who believes we should gun out to find the Usurper as he's Public Enemy No 1 with his recruiting ability?
After that, we can eat each others throats out like usual.

You know what they say about the first person who brings up a role right.

Sheltatha Lore, on 29 September 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

Haha I was wondering when someone would say that.
Regarding the search for recruiters, I assume we treat them like cultists and hunt for them if we can, so the sentiment is good, if a bit likely to draw attention

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Exactly what I was thinking too. Roughly the same can be applied to Gamelon actually, and his signalling accusation. Is it to cover his own signalling?

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?

Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.

I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.

I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.

I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?

And that is the second player to talked about the usurper. The first being Tiam. Now if previous games are anything to go on. Then Tiam could be the usurper hunter which would make Okaros the Usurper or vice versa. I shall put my money where my words are at.

Vote Okaros

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

And that is the second player to talked about the usurper. The first being Tiam. Now if previous games are anything to go on. Then Tiam could be the usurper hunter which would make Okaros the Usurper or vice versa. I shall put my money where my words are at.

Vote Okaros

Are you pulling a role out of your ass? I think you are pulling a role out of your ass.
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?

You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?

Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

Checking in from the library. I'll just quickly address Gamelon while I'm here before heading home.

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?

You are correct in saying that just because it is difficult we shouldn't give up on tracking the Usurper. I realize you are trying to prompt discussion, but I feel that my point stands. After going through the thread once more, there is no evidence that the Usurper has made any overt moves. And if the usurper is any good, I think he/she would avoid drawing attention this early in the game. The Usurper, for obvious reasons, would benefit from buying as much time as possible and keeping his/her head down (just speculation, but it seems to be reasonable). Though this may be the case right now, it is very possible others may find some sign that I missed, and I encourage fresh sets of eyes to look for for evidence.

Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Are you pulling a role out of your ass? I think you are pulling a role out of your ass.
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?

You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?

I am actually pulling that role out of my ass. Unless you look and or played in the other games. In which case there were roles like that in them. But I don't know for sure that there is. Just as I don't know for sure that Morgoth still has blond hair rather then the pink hair that he is rummer to have or that Dibs isn't Irish but instead a Icelander who likes to pose as a drunken leprechaun for his own twisted amusement. As for trying to deflect away from Gamelon that would be a no. Gamelon mentioned the usurper by pointing out Okaros mention of him. He did so by quoting Okaros not by bring up the usurper and possible thoughts as to whether or not we should try to find him or not. So strawmanning much. Or is it that you know who Okaros is and so you feel the need to try and to subtle defend him by quickly attacking one vote on him. I don't know but right now I kind of like the reaction that I have gotten over the vote so I am fine with leaving it.

You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

I am actually pulling that role out of my ass. Unless you look and or played in the other games. In which case there were roles like that in them. But I don't know for sure that there is. Just as I don't know for sure that Morgoth still has blond hair rather then the pink hair that he is rummer to have or that Dibs isn't Irish but instead a Icelander who likes to pose as a drunken leprechaun for his own twisted amusement. As for trying to deflect away from Gamelon that would be a no. Gamelon mentioned the usurper by pointing out Okaros mention of him. He did so by quoting Okaros not by bring up the usurper and possible thoughts as to whether or not we should try to find him or not. So strawmanning much. Or is it that you know who Okaros is and so you feel the need to try and to subtle defend him by quickly attacking one vote on him. I don't know but right now I kind of like the reaction that I have gotten over the vote so I am fine with leaving it.

You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.

It's a 5% shot to randomly lynch the usurper, which is what basically your whole vaunted usurper hunt amounts to. In a game like this, it is only natural to discuss set-up and tiles. Oh wait, I was one of the first to mention movement, zomg, that must mean that I have been spending boatloads of time on how to move!!!!111!!. Not to mention, that we had a whole lot of discussing this in the past (few?) game(s). Anyone will be watching twice how much they release of their own info, warned as they were by last game.

Finally, you admit that Okaros didn't mention the usurper first, but Tiamatha did. Why would this usurper hunter mention the usurper first? Even if the role exists, even if she is the usurper hunter, then all she does is muddying the waters for the remainder of us, isn;t she? Not to mention, that the real usurper will get suspicious of her. Honestly, it sounds like you want to blow up the issue and lessen the usurper threat.

As for defending Okaros: nope. I merely tend to go with what information is available that I can read with my own two eyes. Wild speculation on a role that may or may not exist (and why would there be a special usurper hunter when there are already a lot of roles that can find or kill or convert themselves to finding/killing roles?). So, I viewed your comment in the context and I figured it was distracting and mere speculation (as you confirmed) and felt the need to call it into question. Which you have now answered.

Ok, so this is what the mention of "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" caused.
Now, try to follow my train of thoughts here, for a bit...


Game starts, and Gamelon jumps the gun on Emur, accusing him of signaling. Then he's pretty dead set on trying to squeeze an answer out of Emur as to why he hinted he's a Civil Servant. From a third party option, this isn't something alarming, but I was re-reading the roles and everything, while reading the thread as well.

Now, reading the Civil Servant, it says they already know who their Emperor are, and also that they can switch between Civil/Military , under some conditions.

Then Gamelon comes out stating he already knows who his Emperor is, and that Emur is BS-ing about being a Civil Servant, blah blah...

So while I was reading the roles, I was thinking ::: Gamelon jumps on Emur for signaling. Gamelon is a Civil/Military Servant. Gamelon makes NO mention what so ever who Emur was signaling. So what if, what Gamelon interpreted was Emur trying to signal Gamelons Emperor stating he's his Civil Servant, and tried to alert his Emperor that Emur is lying? And that's why he was so dead focused on getting an answer out of Emur why he claimed to be something he isn't.

I tried to get Gamelon to answer who he believes Emur was signaling to, since he's the one who followed Emur's case so hard, but there was no answer, neither from Gamelon nor from anyone else who agreed that Emur is probably signaling.

Failing to get people's attention on this theorycrafting, though I did mention it in my posts, I kept reading more on roles and rules, while keeping an eye on the thread. Then I saw the "Usurper" role, and I found it interesting... He currently is an underling in the middle Kingdoms, meaning he's under an Emperor. AT SOME POINT OF THE GAME (which probably means he can't recruit from Day 1) he will start recruiting , and when the Emperor dies, he loses the ability to recruit and becomes an entirely new faction, called Jin.

So reading on that, and considering the interaction that took place between Gamelon etc etc, I was thinking ::::

Since Gamelon claims Civil / Military Official of one faction, he calls out Emur for not being one, afraid that Emur's signaling reached Gamelons Emperor. So, if people pick up on that, and we try to find the most likely candidate that Emur's signals were going to, then we get a shot at potentially ----

1) Nailing an Emperor
2) Since only the Three Middle Kingdoms have an Emperor, we get an additional 33,3% chance of nailing the Emperor under which the Usurper currently operates.
3) If we do get an Emperor, and the Usurper IS under him, then could it possibly mean that the Usurper is forced to become immediately the Emperor of Jin faction, without possibly being able to benefit from his recruiting abilities at all, thus becoming a semi-negligent (hopefully) factor in the current game.


Hell, two birds with one stone. It was worth it, in my book, if you ask me. Wild shot? Yea, perhaps. Worth looking into and considering? For sure. After all it's Day One, it's not as if there would be huge debates, endless list of solid cases and more important stuff to consider.
So to those who want to claim <It's only 5% to nail the Usurper> , <It's too early to gun for the Usurper> , <Let's not wild chase..> etc etc , I say, there is a different way of actually getting this mofo cockblocked faster from recruiting the fuck out of everywhere. Kill his Emperor while he hasn't done much recruiting or damage.

Well, you make a point, who do you think Emur was signalling then? You see to me it looked as if he was signalling Game, but now you say he wasn't. Well, i'll have a look through Emur's early post and see if I can spot anything. I'm sure you'll do the same, no?

[Barghast]

@ Tia: since we have no clue in which faction Sima Yi is, and each kingdom faction has knowledge only of their emperor, it's going to take lynching all three to be certain. By that time, we are on day 3 (if in Best Case Scenario Game is an Emperor, otherwise, BCS day 4). While I'm sure every kingdom player loves lynching the Emperor of another faction, they'll disagree about losing their own
The real winners in that scenario are the warlords, since they've got an interest in weeding out Emperors and the Usurper. I think you've thought of that, too. And I now think where I'll provisionally place you, too.


Secondly, as an alternative explanation: with the limited two-line info available in the public info on the role of the Usurper, I read it that the Usurper only establishes his own faction once he becomes Emperor:

Quote

When his Emperor dies, Sima Yi becomes an Emperor (at which point he can no longer recruit) and his followers become the Jin faction.

That might suggest that until Sima Yi's Emperor dies, there is no Usurper faction, instead, all his recruits are sleeper agents. Or something. In which case, paradoxally, not lynching Emperors makes sense.

So yeah, your idea is intriguing. I'm all for it, if we find a way to make it work. And that's where this is all coming a bit apart at the seams. Because, if I am correct with my model above, there is no way we can keep all 3 Emperors around. If you are, how are we going to get rid of three Emperors in a decent enough time frame?

[Sorrit]

Is this what you are thinking Tiam? The interaction of sorts between Atrahal and Emurlahn, the posts both have Geisha's within the content

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2011 - 11:59 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 28 September 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

I bow my head in beardless shame. But my "Accordion of Doom" (trademarked) shall bring all the Geisha to the zen garden.

Geishas are Japanese, my friend.

Atrahal, on 29 September 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Yes they travel far for my sweet songs.

so a little interaction, harmless enough, then Emur follows with the controversial quote below.

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

fair enough.

I shall now retire to commit to memory the sayings of the Great Teacher, so that I may ace the civil functionaries examinations and make my family proud.

call me when the geishas get here. i'll bring the rice wine.

so was he signalling to Atrahal that he was his civil official?

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

@ game: I suppose you are unfamiliar with how high society in Imperial China functioned, then, huh?


jeez, I suppose i'm not allowed to RP in a mafia ga,me anymore....

So Gamelon thinks he is signalling to Atrahal but knows that Atrahal is his emperor and Emur must be wrong?

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:46 AM, said:

nyhow, i'm heading out for a bit.

catch you all later!

Emur shits himself and leaves. Wishy washy but this could be construed that way.

[Mockra]

So we have a lynch, and even before the CF we've got some good suppositions coming out. This game is coming along really well already I think.

So we have - Emur could have been signalling Atrahal.

Atrahal could be Gamelon's emperor.

Tiamatha making some interesting points about the Usurper.

Barghast pointing out that Tiamatha's eagerness to get rid of emperors might put Tiam in the Warlord camp.

Have I missed anything?

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 30 September 2011 - 08:59 AM, said:

Quote

When his Emperor dies, Sima Yi becomes an Emperor (at which point he can no longer recruit) and his followers become the Jin faction.

That might suggest that until Sima Yi's Emperor dies, there is no Usurper faction, instead, all his recruits are sleeper agents. Or something. In which case, paradoxally, not lynching Emperors makes sense.

Actually I was wondering about this - if Sima Yi becomes Emperor, what happens to that dead emperor's remaining subjects? I wonder if they have some sort of advantage they enjoy initially since having an usurper in their midst must act as a disadvantage. I think it's fair to assume that the usurper can't recruit his emperor at least.

I think we can also conclude that recruitment cannot be blocked, since blocking happens if someone else uses the same action and I assume there isn't another recruit ability. The only thing that prevents it is the usurper has to figure out who is in his vicinity to successfully recruit. That, thankfully, will slow down that process.

[Path-Shaper]

255 AD (Day 1) ended with 8 minutes left on the timer.

25 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Serc ( Gamelon )
13 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Ruse, Kessobahn, Silanah, Galain, Karosis, Sorritt, Emurlahn, Barghast, Korlat, Omtose, Okaros, Atrahal )

Players not voted: Hood's Path, Kaschan, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

---

It is Dusk, hang on to your hats while I resolve and stuff.

[Path-Shaper]

End of Day/Dusk


With reports flooding in of war preparations in Xia and Yan, the Emperor of Lu, Zhang Xiu, summoned all those who could spare time from their duties to court for a council on how best to defeat the two other kingdoms. A senior general, Song Xian, said "If we commit ourselves to battling Xia in the northern slopes, our armies cannot be quickly recalled should Yan boats race up the river into our kingdom. If we send our troops on ships into the east, our soldiers will be ill-prepared should they need to suddenly return home and fight on land against the Xia. Why risk ourselves fighting one or the other? Send an envoy to the Yan emperor suggesting a joint attack against Xia to begin immediately. They're forces will quickly engage the enemy while our armies slowly traverse the northern mountains, giving us plenty of excuse to wait it out and see which side is winning before we pluck our advantage from between them."

"This is wise counsel," said Zhang Xiu, "but who among us can serve as envoy to Huang Zhong?" "No man can accomplish this but Ma Liang," replied the council. So Zhang Xiu entitled Ma Liang as Master of Ceremonies and sent him to Jiang Xia. Upon arriving in Jiang Xia, Ma Liang felt so confident in his position as emissary that he did not come down from his carriage after passing through the capital gates. The Yan general, He Qi, who was prone to bouts of rage, was furious and shouted at him, "There can be no disrespect in ceremonies, nor levity in protocol. What are these high and mighty ways? Don't think the Yan is a kingdom without swords!" So saying, he pulled out his sword and thrust it through the wall of the carriage into Ma Liang's chest.

The alliance talks broke down rapidly after that...

Gamelon (Sir Thursday) is dead. He was Ma Liang, a Civil Officer and Governor of Tian Shui/Master of Ceremonies of the Lu Dynasty.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 September 2011 - 11:42 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 1. 5 hours and 59 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Kessobahn, Omtose, Atrahal, Tiamatha, Hood's Path, Osseric, Galain, Thyrllan, Ruse, Rashan, Tennes, Barghast, Meanas, Mockra, Silanah, Serc, Sorritt, Karosis, Korlat, Okaros, Kaschan, Sheltatha Lore, Telas

[Ruse]

Well, the theory that Gamelon was himself a civil officer proved correct.

[Ruse]

Sorry for the double post, I hit reply accidentally.

To finish what I was going to say - that means that we could try to analyze Emur's (alleged) signaling to find his Emperor. The theory right now is Atrahal, due to the geisha comment.

[Sorrit]

There is that ^, but what about the signalling with Serc at the beginning? That becomes a lot more prominent now that we know Gamelon knew his leader/emperor.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:41 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 28 September 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

I bow my head in beardless shame. But my "Accordion of Doom" (trademarked) shall bring all the Geisha to the zen garden.

Am I the only one who sees Atrahal in the old avatar?!?

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

my headband puts all your fancy hats to shame

Badass-bandana!
'Munchkin' quote

I like you,

Ok, I went back and read the exchange. Atrahal brings up the geishas, and Emur corrects him. That doesn't seem like signaling to me. THIS seems more likely - "I like you". Based on what? A headband vs. Bandana comparison.

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 30 September 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

There is that ^, but what about the signalling with Serc at the beginning? That becomes a lot more prominent now that we know Gamelon knew his leader/emperor.

Cross post with this.

Remind me as to what the Serc signal was again please?

[Osseric]

Wow, that CF being so close to what was being discussed so far is quite impressive.

I believe the Serc signal is the triple vote they laid on each other early in the game. There was a post about this in the previous pages, I will try to find it.

[Osseric]

I don't know if it was also discussed earlier, but there it is:

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Nihao all! This game looks like it's going to be a blast! Love the new avatars, although I hope they're sufficiently distinguishable at a glance. Probably will be, as I can see there's quite a variation in background colour and clothing colour to make them all unique.

Vote Serc

For not knowing Chinese.

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

OMG, You Suck!


Vote Serc

Oh wait, I've already done that.

A few people have already pointed this out... And reading back, actually THIS is the first possible signaling attempt? Funny how Serc comes back and accuses Emur on a shady OMGUS vote, when he and Gamelon were doing reach-arounds very very early in game.. And then both jump the signaling gun...

[Ruse]

Thanks Osseric.

<waves to sir thursday>

[Osseric]

I find this interesting:

Path-Shaper, on 29 September 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

Vote Count

It is 225 AD (Day 1). 10 hours and 4 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Sorritt, Emurlahn )
3 Votes for Emurlahn ( Gamelon, Okaros, Serc )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

At this point, I think it could have been going either way between Gamelon and Emurlahn. I know, for one, that I wouldn't have minded changing my vote for Emurlahn.

And then, shortly after:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

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Vote Serc

Looks like Gamelon jumps out of Emurlahn's train, onto Serc. I'm not sure what that was for (I don't think anyone would think that Serc would be speed-lynched at that point), so it feels like Gamelon went from "staying-alive" mode to "damage control" mode, possibly because he realized that even if he stayed alive on day 1 he would probably be back on the block for day 2, so he decided to take care of dissociating from Serc.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I'm back & sorry I wasn't around to participate before end of day. I thought I would have plenty of time, but it turned out differently.


So the first faction lines will be drawn from this CF. Good catch whoever pointed out Game's role first

I'm going to do a bit of re-reading and come back later

[Barghast]

I'll sign off for now, probably won't be back until monday although I may make a cameo tomorrow.