[Silanah]

Okaros, on 11 October 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Hey checking in before class. Figure I should address Emur and Sil's suspicions about me.

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

i am back. my flight was delayed, due to the most ridiculous lineup in customs imaginable. as a result, i'm late for my morning class, and am now free for the next 4.5 hours, since i'm not gonna go to 1.5 h class with30 mins left.

another yan down isn't too surprising--there's a whole lot of them, and the less of us there are left, the more telling their numbers will be.


i tried to do a re-read, yeasterday, and one hting that jumped out was this: Galain attacked meanas using the quote from the OP that said all civvies and generals get the location of their emperor. then he jumped on Meanas saying he knew his emperor's location. this was the basis of Galain's accusation of Meanas, which then suggested that he was a warlord. now, that in itself is interesting, but then at this point Okaros really jumped out of the woodwork to deflect from Galain to Meanas.
I'm thinking that if Galain is a warlord, then Okaros is his champion. his style of play is reminiscent to that of a careful killer--he's around not too much, he posts content, but doesn't really ruffle any feathers.

i'll leave it up for discussion, but I think Okaros may be a good champion target.

So are you implying that we should go for Okaros or Galain?

if im right, then I'd say okaros is a bigger threat, since he can kill.

I understand that Emur's approach to this game is to nudge players into action, but his/her suggested case (that I am playing careful) seems insufficient to conclude that I am a barbarian. As far as I am concerned, everyone should be playing careful. I must add that I have scanned the previous pages looking for my post which supposedly deflected from Galain, but I am not sure which post you are talking about. Maybe you could provide a quote so I can clear some of this up?
I should also mention that I do not have the ability to kill. Not like an ability like that would be very useful, seeing as night actions are fairly calm.
In regards to Sil's post. "are you implying that we should go for Okaros or Galain?" I must ask if you are in a rush to start a train, or if you are just that eager to let Emurlahn lead you? I wonder at such an obvious statement; I could just be reading into things.
I'll be around for an hour or so before class for discussion.

I was confused why he thought going for a champion would be better... that seems off.

[Okaros]

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Do warlords not have some kind of power? Night kills don't seem to be doing much at the moment, very have happened.

On a serious note, I would imagine warlords would have skills somewhat like those of emperors. Now, I doubt we have an emperor sitting around willing to share his/her skills with us, but we could probably speculate. Warlords probably don't have as many skills as an emperor, but a kill or something like that wouldn't surprise me. I would imagine an emperor's skills to be faction oriented (intelligence, maybe adding a benefit if within their own borders, stuff like this?).

edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Okaros: 11 October 2011 - 06:02 PM

[Okaros]

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

Okaros, on 11 October 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Hey checking in before class. Figure I should address Emur and Sil's suspicions about me.

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

i am back. my flight was delayed, due to the most ridiculous lineup in customs imaginable. as a result, i'm late for my morning class, and am now free for the next 4.5 hours, since i'm not gonna go to 1.5 h class with30 mins left.

another yan down isn't too surprising--there's a whole lot of them, and the less of us there are left, the more telling their numbers will be.


i tried to do a re-read, yeasterday, and one hting that jumped out was this: Galain attacked meanas using the quote from the OP that said all civvies and generals get the location of their emperor. then he jumped on Meanas saying he knew his emperor's location. this was the basis of Galain's accusation of Meanas, which then suggested that he was a warlord. now, that in itself is interesting, but then at this point Okaros really jumped out of the woodwork to deflect from Galain to Meanas.
I'm thinking that if Galain is a warlord, then Okaros is his champion. his style of play is reminiscent to that of a careful killer--he's around not too much, he posts content, but doesn't really ruffle any feathers.

i'll leave it up for discussion, but I think Okaros may be a good champion target.

So are you implying that we should go for Okaros or Galain?

if im right, then I'd say okaros is a bigger threat, since he can kill.

I understand that Emur's approach to this game is to nudge players into action, but his/her suggested case (that I am playing careful) seems insufficient to conclude that I am a barbarian. As far as I am concerned, everyone should be playing careful. I must add that I have scanned the previous pages looking for my post which supposedly deflected from Galain, but I am not sure which post you are talking about. Maybe you could provide a quote so I can clear some of this up?
I should also mention that I do not have the ability to kill. Not like an ability like that would be very useful, seeing as night actions are fairly calm.
In regards to Sil's post. "are you implying that we should go for Okaros or Galain?" I must ask if you are in a rush to start a train, or if you are just that eager to let Emurlahn lead you? I wonder at such an obvious statement; I could just be reading into things.
I'll be around for an hour or so before class for discussion.

I was confused why he thought going for a champion would be better... that seems off.

He/she must consider it likely that a champ has a kill ability, and that a Warlord does not. An odd conclusion to make. It sounds as if Emurlahn knows something that we don't.

[Emurlahn]

Warlord
Ma Chao and Gongsun Zan are Warlords. They each command their own faction and are initially limited to the extreme edges of the map.


Champion
Champions are the underlings of warlords. They can use the standard kill night action.


i'm just going based off this, from the OP

[Okaros]

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 06:08 PM, said:

Warlord
Ma Chao and Gongsun Zan are Warlords. They each command their own faction and are initially limited to the extreme edges of the map.


Champion
Champions are the underlings of warlords. They can use the standard kill night action.


i'm just going based off this, from the OP

Ah well this clears things up. It doesn't rule out that a warlord might have a kill ability as well. Then as I said earlier about emperors, it's not like a warlord will come out and clear things up for us.

[Emurlahn]

Ok, I was basically talking about this post.

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

Taking a momentary break from school work.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

You don't buy it especially as it's written repeatedly in the OP? But isn't that exactly a reason why I wouldn't get it wrong even if I was in a warlord faction? Because it's written everywhere? And if I didn't know to start with, as you also say, you don't think I would have checked before posting something?

The only reason I would get it wrong is for the reason I stated - because I had a brain fart and thought that the person I was privy to was the PM instead of the emperor. I put in the edit after I had refreshed the screen to see if anything else had been posted, happened to read over my post, and as I did so it clicked that I was being idiotic.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

Anyway, it's not like I needed to OP to know this - do you Galain? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting, that you know these officials know their emperor only because it's written in the OP.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

In fact, the more I look at your post Galain, the more I'm convinced that if it wasn't written in the OP you wouldn't know about it. I would expect a post like "what? You seriously couldn't remember the info you were given in your role description from PS", rather than, "what? You can't read the OP?".

That is suspicious to me.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

You're right, it's hardly credible, which is why I'm kicking myself. My only excuse is that I only read my role description once on the first day and paid no more attention to it since. Then something in the wording of Osseric's post made my mind twist illogically (trying too hard to grasp something suspicious perhaps?) and I suddenly started thinking that I and all officials knew the identity of the Prime Minister but not the Emperor. Upon reread, my brain untwisted and I slapped myself.

But seriously, what about my argument is less reasonable than yours. If I had been in your position, the OP would not have been the first evidence I trotted out. Unless I had no other evidence, as I suspect now that you do not.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

Because it makes no sense.

My argument against you makes specific sense given specific posts you've made that demonstrate your ignorance. You're argument against me is basically "No u!"

Erm, whut? My argument against you is equally made against a specific post of yours dude.

If I wanted to argue childishly with you, as you're suggesting, I would point out that you should be writing "your" and not "you're."

Meanas, you are sounding very desperate and defensive ever since you've been put on the spot. Coupled with the Osserc potential link (which I am starting to have doubts about), I think I'll have to

Vote Meanas


for the time being. I won't be able to change my vote for at least a couple hours after this post, but I am pretty sure we still have several hours left in the day. I'll check back in once I get home.

considering that I have no attachment to either Galain or Meanas, i was watching that back and forth with interest. I felt that Meanas made a good catch wrt location. then you came in, and do your best to discredit whatever argument Meanas was trying to make.
I can't speak for sure, ofc, but from a side it really looks like you are trying to defend Galain at this point.

[Silanah]

The lack of detail in the Warlord description is more worrying, to me, than a kill ability that the rank and file of the middle kingdoms all could potentially have as well.

[Emurlahn]

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

The lack of detail in the Warlord description is more worrying, to me, than a kill ability that the rank and file of the middle kingdoms all could potentially have as well.

then I suppose you'd want to vote Galain. he's the closest we have in that direction, unless one of the presently absent players found us a warlord overnight.

[Silanah]

I suppose. I'll look back later tonight. I have suspicions about several players.

[Korlat]

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

The lack of detail in the Warlord description is more worrying, to me, than a kill ability that the rank and file of the middle kingdoms all could potentially have as well.

I was thinking the same, they start at the edges and have smaller factions and the champion has a night kill but the warlord remains a mystery, they must have some kind of power, something atypical.

[Okaros]

Thanks Emur, I must have missed this skimming through the pages.

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Ok, I was basically talking about this post.

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

Taking a momentary break from school work.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

You don't buy it especially as it's written repeatedly in the OP? But isn't that exactly a reason why I wouldn't get it wrong even if I was in a warlord faction? Because it's written everywhere? And if I didn't know to start with, as you also say, you don't think I would have checked before posting something?

The only reason I would get it wrong is for the reason I stated - because I had a brain fart and thought that the person I was privy to was the PM instead of the emperor. I put in the edit after I had refreshed the screen to see if anything else had been posted, happened to read over my post, and as I did so it clicked that I was being idiotic.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

Anyway, it's not like I needed to OP to know this - do you Galain? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting, that you know these officials know their emperor only because it's written in the OP.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

In fact, the more I look at your post Galain, the more I'm convinced that if it wasn't written in the OP you wouldn't know about it. I would expect a post like "what? You seriously couldn't remember the info you were given in your role description from PS", rather than, "what? You can't read the OP?".

That is suspicious to me.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

You're right, it's hardly credible, which is why I'm kicking myself. My only excuse is that I only read my role description once on the first day and paid no more attention to it since. Then something in the wording of Osseric's post made my mind twist illogically (trying too hard to grasp something suspicious perhaps?) and I suddenly started thinking that I and all officials knew the identity of the Prime Minister but not the Emperor. Upon reread, my brain untwisted and I slapped myself.

But seriously, what about my argument is less reasonable than yours. If I had been in your position, the OP would not have been the first evidence I trotted out. Unless I had no other evidence, as I suspect now that you do not.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

Because it makes no sense.

My argument against you makes specific sense given specific posts you've made that demonstrate your ignorance. You're argument against me is basically "No u!"

Erm, whut? My argument against you is equally made against a specific post of yours dude.

If I wanted to argue childishly with you, as you're suggesting, I would point out that you should be writing "your" and not "you're."

Meanas, you are sounding very desperate and defensive ever since you've been put on the spot. Coupled with the Osserc potential link (which I am starting to have doubts about), I think I'll have to

Vote Meanas


for the time being. I won't be able to change my vote for at least a couple hours after this post, but I am pretty sure we still have several hours left in the day. I'll check back in once I get home.

considering that I have no attachment to either Galain or Meanas, i was watching that back and forth with interest. I felt that Meanas made a good catch wrt location. then you came in, and do your best to discredit whatever argument Meanas was trying to make.
I can't speak for sure, ofc, but from a side it really looks like you are trying to defend Galain at this point.

Yes at this point the exchanges between the two were very interesting. It really wasn't that the case against Galain was weak, but Meanas' posts were, as I said, very defensive and somewhat hectic. It just struck a worse cord, and so I voted for Meanas. I guess I can see where you might think this was a deflection, but I assure you, that was not my intention. I was certainly not doing my best to discredit the case made by Meanas, I just didn't like the manner in which he was presenting his defense. With your last statement, Emurlahn, you seem to be saying that I am still trying to defend Galain? I really do not understand where that conclusion is coming from. I encourage you to look at my posts since then, considering there is no defending Galain on my part. Even the my post which you quoted didn't defend Galain, it just presented my thoughts and justification of a vote for Meanas.

[Emurlahn]

Okaros, on 11 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

Thanks Emur, I must have missed this skimming through the pages.

Emurlahn, on 11 October 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Ok, I was basically talking about this post.

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

Taking a momentary break from school work.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

You don't buy it especially as it's written repeatedly in the OP? But isn't that exactly a reason why I wouldn't get it wrong even if I was in a warlord faction? Because it's written everywhere? And if I didn't know to start with, as you also say, you don't think I would have checked before posting something?

The only reason I would get it wrong is for the reason I stated - because I had a brain fart and thought that the person I was privy to was the PM instead of the emperor. I put in the edit after I had refreshed the screen to see if anything else had been posted, happened to read over my post, and as I did so it clicked that I was being idiotic.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

Anyway, it's not like I needed to OP to know this - do you Galain? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting, that you know these officials know their emperor only because it's written in the OP.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

In fact, the more I look at your post Galain, the more I'm convinced that if it wasn't written in the OP you wouldn't know about it. I would expect a post like "what? You seriously couldn't remember the info you were given in your role description from PS", rather than, "what? You can't read the OP?".

That is suspicious to me.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

You're right, it's hardly credible, which is why I'm kicking myself. My only excuse is that I only read my role description once on the first day and paid no more attention to it since. Then something in the wording of Osseric's post made my mind twist illogically (trying too hard to grasp something suspicious perhaps?) and I suddenly started thinking that I and all officials knew the identity of the Prime Minister but not the Emperor. Upon reread, my brain untwisted and I slapped myself.

But seriously, what about my argument is less reasonable than yours. If I had been in your position, the OP would not have been the first evidence I trotted out. Unless I had no other evidence, as I suspect now that you do not.

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

Because it makes no sense.

My argument against you makes specific sense given specific posts you've made that demonstrate your ignorance. You're argument against me is basically "No u!"

Erm, whut? My argument against you is equally made against a specific post of yours dude.

If I wanted to argue childishly with you, as you're suggesting, I would point out that you should be writing "your" and not "you're."

Meanas, you are sounding very desperate and defensive ever since you've been put on the spot. Coupled with the Osserc potential link (which I am starting to have doubts about), I think I'll have to

Vote Meanas


for the time being. I won't be able to change my vote for at least a couple hours after this post, but I am pretty sure we still have several hours left in the day. I'll check back in once I get home.

considering that I have no attachment to either Galain or Meanas, i was watching that back and forth with interest. I felt that Meanas made a good catch wrt location. then you came in, and do your best to discredit whatever argument Meanas was trying to make.
I can't speak for sure, ofc, but from a side it really looks like you are trying to defend Galain at this point.

Yes at this point the exchanges between the two were very interesting. It really wasn't that the case against Galain was weak, but Meanas' posts were, as I said, very defensive and somewhat hectic. It just struck a worse cord, and so I voted for Meanas. I guess I can see where you might think this was a deflection, but I assure you, that was not my intention. I was certainly not doing my best to discredit the case made by Meanas, I just didn't like the manner in which he was presenting his defense. With your last statement, Emurlahn, you seem to be saying that I am still trying to defend Galain? I really do not understand where that conclusion is coming from. I encourage you to look at my posts since then, considering there is no defending Galain on my part. Even the my post which you quoted didn't defend Galain, it just presented my thoughts and justification of a vote for Meanas.

no worries. i'm not saying it was strong evidence. it's just that situationally, in that particular context (right after Meanas cal Galain out on the location business--a post you neither quoted nor commented on) a vote for Meanas can be seen as deflecting from Galain.
again, this is just what jumped out at me. i'm not presenting this as a stone-cold case (nowhere near asstrong as my case on JA). but it's something I felt should be brought to the table for others to see.

[Okaros]

Well I am finally off to class. I won't be back until around 11pm, so I'll check in briefly before going to bed.

[Karosis]

Okaros, on 11 October 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

Silanah, on 11 October 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Do warlords not have some kind of power? Night kills don't seem to be doing much at the moment, very have happened.

On a serious note, I would imagine warlords would have skills somewhat like those of emperors. Now, I doubt we have an emperor sitting around willing to share his/her skills with us, but we could probably speculate. Warlords probably don't have as many skills as an emperor, but a kill or something like that wouldn't surprise me. I would imagine an emperor's skills to be faction oriented (intelligence, maybe adding a benefit if within their own borders, stuff like this?).

edit: spelling

similar to emperors?...

i dunno about that..it seems a bit unbalanced if the warlords are similar to emperors, since the emperors are the head of much larger faction, all with their own abilities. While the warlords have small faction and are expected to compete in this game.

I would think that a warlord would be something with a bit different to an emperor if anything to balance out the lack of numbers.

[Karosis]

anyways... i have ust finished a Fringe marathon and it's way passed my bed time... catch you folks in the morning.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 230 AD. 28 hours and 35 minutes remaining
17 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

[Hood's Path]

Sorry I've been awol but I'm back and I've more or less caught up. That was hugely entertaining by Khell. Though him ratting out players like that even if one of them happened to be himself was a mistake.

So apparently no one else thinks that Barghast could be a barbarian. I've reread his post regarding his location clues and I could have misinterpreted what he was saying as traveling through. But I thought it very telling that Tennes jumped to his defense very quickly. But for now I'll back off but for the record he is still highly suspicous to me.

Now for information that Meanas/Mockra provided. I actually believe him regarding Thyrllan. I got the exact same read off of his vote on Meanas as Meanas/Mockra did. As for Telas I'm not sure I can put much faith in what he says. He even admitted that he didn't know for sure what he was and as Mockra/Meanas didn't divulge which location they were in when he did his search whatever. I'm not sure I can get behind a Telas lynch without aditional information.

Now that I addressed most of the issues at hand I would like to point out that there are a few players that have been completely under the radar for me. I have absolutley no read on Ruse or Atrahal. I think when I get a chance I'll need to do a readup on those two. Anybody else have a take on either of these players?

[Emurlahn]

Atrahal is a non-entity



I had Ruse pegged as linked to JA before,but now i'm not too sure.

[Emurlahn]

other non-entities as far as i'm concerned include Kaschan and to a lesser extent Karosis (Karosis posts. and fairly frequently. most of it is playing catchup, though, not really offering much insight)
Sheltatha and Korlat are pretty low-key as well.

[Silanah]

Ruse poked his head up briefly after Emur's summary case, which I believe accused him of symping someone. I really can't remember him from elsewhere. No read on Atrahal, either.