[Korbas]

i'm on my phone so i can't copy and paste anything. il do that when i get to work. Galain was a rebel, i'll copy and paste it in, my bedtime is when you do a lot of discussion, i wasn't around after our failed lynch

[Anthras]

... doesn't look like anything's happening. Headed to bed. Back in a long while.

[Korbas]

Galain was HiddenOne and a female Rebel of the Rebel faction.

[Korbas]

Ampelas, on 01 July 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

I was half right on the scene info given.
Anthras is now cleared in my book. I think I know why Lio was fighting so hard to get Galain killed as I think that Galain is the Lady. I had Galain pegged as being part of the Lady's faction clear back from the HP train.
Vote Galain

With this post are you suggesting you are an enemy of the lady? I don't see why you would want to vote the lady off unless you where on the dominator faction OR a rebel

Osseric, on 01 July 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

Ok, something doesn't add up. That something, is a faction leader suiciding, and the dominator going down that easy makes me doubly suspicious. Either Korbas is lying, or being fed misinformation. The only alternative to that is the Dominator's conditions on becoming uber-powerful hadn't lined up properly (i.e. he wasnt fully 'awake' yet). Now - as for Korbas lying, it is possible that Korbas was recruited by the Dominator. If he was recruited, then it could make sense for him to falsely claim the Dominator is dead. I know it's WIFOM to speculate about kills (ha! I'll do it anyways!), but Barghast was the person really pushing for Korbas to die, and now he's been knocked off.

Now, if Lio was the dominator, his wild posting at the end and pointing at Galain was either to put Galain beneath suspicion, or he was convinced Galain was an opposing leader and shoudl be next.

If Lio wasn't the dominator, his pointing at Galain becomes more serious as an accusation.

Regardless of whether Korbas' is lying or not, Lio has put Galain firmly in a suspicion spotlight.

You are full of shit, you say this then later on you say you'd prefer to lynch me over galain? Lio was the dominator, but galain was a lowly rebel. That being said, i think we are on a similar faction and you are the killer, that is an educated guess though.

Rashan, on 02 July 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:

Osseric, on 01 July 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

Ok, something doesn't add up. That something, is a faction leader suiciding, and the dominator going down that easy makes me doubly suspicious. Either Korbas is lying, or being fed misinformation. The only alternative to that is the Dominator's conditions on becoming uber-powerful hadn't lined up properly (i.e. he wasnt fully 'awake' yet). Now - as for Korbas lying, it is possible that Korbas was recruited by the Dominator. If he was recruited, then it could make sense for him to falsely claim the Dominator is dead. I know it's WIFOM to speculate about kills (ha! I'll do it anyways!), but Barghast was the person really pushing for Korbas to die, and now he's been knocked off.


Now, if Lio was the dominator, his wild posting at the end and pointing at Galain was either to put Galain beneath suspicion, or he was convinced Galain was an opposing leader and shoudl be next.

If Lio wasn't the dominator, his pointing at Galain becomes more serious as an accusation.

Regardless of whether Korbas' is lying or not, Lio has put Galain firmly in a suspicion spotlight.

It does seem extremely weird of a suicide. OTOH it is Bent....

At the very least, it seems that both A. The dominator still being alive and B. the dominator recruiting every night arent likely both true because otherwise then we'd have the dominator and 3 recruits of his making a majority for the cult.

At this point all the fractions are so thin that if the dominator is still alive and can recruit more he will.... well dominate. And I agree that would have to be indicative that Korbas has been recruited. Hopefully not with his whole company going with him. Since the dominator cant have been recruiting every night the next most logical is every 2 nights. We saw Feather was recruited night 1, so the dominator would have recruited Korbas night 3 and would recruit someone else tonight. That makes 3 of them tomorrow, which after a lynch and NK we'll be down to 5 and theres your dominator majority.

So. I didnt agree with Barg before about Korbas, but now it may be the time. If hes telling the truth then the dominator is dead and wont win. If he was lying about the dominator, we lynch Korbas today (or maybe we lynch who we think the dom is and osseric NKs Korbas instead, whatever) so that at most the dominator is at 2 tomorrow, giving us another try at him. Make sense?

Barg was a rebel and his goals would never have coincided with mine, you logic was obviously flawed because galain is gone and no one has majority. I peg you and Anthras being the last of the rebels and if we lynch one and kill the other i think we will win, however that post above from ampelas makes me mighty suspicious of him now too. Maybe it is Rashan and Ampelas and Anthras being the white lady?

Rashan, on 02 July 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:

D, on 02 July 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

If Korbas has been recruited, his CF are going to try to help his faction yes? Who does it help the most to CF someone as the Dominator? I'd say Dominator, yes?

Thats what I'm saying. There's the possibility that he was recruited Night 3 and so to help the Dominator faked the Lio CF to say it was the Dominator while it is really someone else.... let's say Galain. Given Lio's raging on Galain, this would be a good way to discredit Lio's claims and potentially try to pull the heat off Galain, except that the CF is so unbelievable (which in turn makes me think it's *not* Galain...)

But yeah, if that is the case we need to remove Korbas or the Dom (or both) today/tonight or there will be 3 of them with a majority tomorrow.

Er no, you're wrong, so now you can admit it. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but it would have been a mistake lynching me unless you were a dominator or a rebel, that is twice a rebel has voted for me and began a train, that would be Barghast and Galain. So are tyou going to make it a third time?

Rashan, on 02 July 2011 - 05:07 AM, said:

I don't know for sure, but I think its Osseric. Unless we've got a Raven killer hereabouts.

What about you D'riss, anything useful you can contribute to the cause?

Rashan, on 02 July 2011 - 05:13 AM, said:

What would I like? Reveal you're a finder and point out who the Dominator and White Rose are? That'd be mighty useful about now....

Useful to who?

D, on 02 July 2011 - 05:18 AM, said:

I don't know. I've had Liosan, Galain, and Korbas teamed for a while. Thus, today has played a clusterfuck with my theories. I'm not considering Ampelas as a leader, nothing has changed for me since last night in that sense. My gut has been on there so far, for the most part. Leaving the Lady, Dominator, White Rose amongst you, Galain, Antrhas, and Osseric. I think one leader is dead. Leaving two amongst the four.

Trying to configure out who amongst the four, considering yesterday, is not easy. And, I'm drunk, so that doesn't help.

How could you have Lio, galain and me related? i've voted for both of them early on..

Rashan, on 02 July 2011 - 05:23 AM, said:

D, on 02 July 2011 - 05:18 AM, said:

I don't know. I've had Liosan, Galain, and Korbas teamed for a while. Thus, today has played a clusterfuck with my theories. I'm not considering Ampelas as a leader, nothing has changed for me since last night in that sense. My gut has been on there so far, for the most part. Leaving the Lady, Dominator, White Rose amongst you, Galain, Antrhas, and Osseric. I think one leader is dead. Leaving two amongst the four.

Trying to configure out who amongst the four, considering yesterday, is not easy. And, I'm drunk, so that doesn't help.

Lio Gal and Korbas? That's crazy.

I was thinking Korbas as Croaker with Amp and Anthras backing him (Raven/Goblin/Silent sorta thing). If there's a dominator still in there Galain or Anthras seem like top contenders but I wouldn't rule that completely.

You think my plan to lynch Korbas in case he's a dominator recruit has any merit?

if you thought i was croaker then why did you want to vote me? I am tempted to vote for you today, you keep spouting that you have had good ideas but i don't see them anywhere

Anthras, on 06 July 2011 - 05:39 AM, said:

D, on 05 July 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

So, I was wrong about Galain as the possible NKer, and it seems like Liosan was pretty much pure BS on all his claims. Also, D-Day has been postponed another day.

Last second rush on Rashan is interesting, as well as people who are simply refusing to vote. Inaction at this point makes me think those players think they either have nothing to gain or lose from not doing anything (either a defeated or faction in the lead and secure in it).

Or a third category: Those of us who just can't feel confident of any decision. Which is as useless as fucking anything, I'll admit.

I wasn't convinced the Galain lynch was the right thing (and I'll explain why if Korbas comes up with a CF, fake or real) ... and I wasn't convinced the Korbas lynch was a good idea. And I wasn't here for the sudden rush on Rashan, I was called away unavoidably at the last minute. I might not have voted for that, either, as it had no sense to it. It's not entirely informational that it couldn't get four votes - there probably just weren't enough people around for it.

So, since then, I've been waiting to see what Korbas comes up with. And his silence is kind of ... telling. Because he may have gotten a CF he's trying to figure out how to lie about effectively. I've just been waiting to see, because I have a strong theory as to what's going on, but don't want to give it away and give Korbas something to latch on to, and craft a lie to suit it. But he hasn't shown up.

Why wait for what i come up with if you think i'm full of shit?

Osseric, on 06 July 2011 - 05:50 AM, said:

Yeah, it should have been obvious I also wasn't thrilled with either the Galain or Korbas lynch yesterday, but I probably would have voted Korbas in the end over Galain.

The reasons are two-fold. One, Liosan blowing up and fingering Galain seemed completely fake. Second, since the consideration was/is that Korbas was possibly recruited by the Dominator, I wasn't really thrilled with voting for the target he was pushing so vehemently. I find myself sort of rethinking all of that now though, the second guessing in this game is giving me an ulcer.

well this contradicts your posts previous to this one, you either believed my cf on lio or you didn't. If you did then why would you wanty to vote for me? If you didn't then you would have voted for galain after what you said earlier

[Korbas]

i am thinking that at most there are two rebels left, what are peoples thoughts on this?

[Osseric]

Osseric, on 05 July 2011 - 05:58 AM, said:

Korbas, on 02 July 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Galain, on 02 July 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Korbas, on 02 July 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

My thoughts on this are:

1) I don't think that the Dominator can recruit people from the lady or Soul catchers faction.
2) I think if the dominator is the recruiter which makes sense, then why not recruit from the rebels?
3) I think killing off rebels is the next best plan.
4) by my count there are 2 rebels left
5) my thoughts on 1) are because i haven't been recruited or killed and i don't see why that is. I am hoping one of you have been protecting me or something along those lines although i wouldn't know.

i think dominator faction is dead, and we need to kill the remaining rebels who are part of the dominator "side"

thought?

1. What makes you think this?
2. Why not recuit from everybody?
3. Sure, anybody but you, right, Lady?
4. You got a real boner for rebels, don't you
5. I think it's because you were recruited and have feeding us info, with enough truth to stay alive. Someone has probably been healing you, unless the killers are all under orders to leave you alone. I figured once you revealed with CF-like info you would be gone, but here we are. So that means you're a tool or the beneficiary of some luck.

The tense of your words in the above list tells me you know the DOminator is not dead. Even if I'm wrong, by tomorrow CFs won't save us anyway, you are suspect so I think we can survive without your tainted CFs.

Vote Korbas

You asked about number one although I answered in number five. Maybe i'm wrong about recruitment but i do wonder why i wasn't targeted. I'm grateful to whoever protected me. I know you are not soul catcher faction because of what you just said about rebels.

Actually, i gotta admit when I read that exchange between Korbas and Galain,it makes me get a sinky feeling that Korbas was recruited by the Dominator, and is now steering us away from him after leading us to believe he was lynched.

If that's the case, my money is on you (d'riss) or rashan.

Korbas, I aint full of shit, I just waffled and changed my mind (it's mafia!). It was here that my opinion swung more towards you, but I wasn't ready to vote either of you since I didn't really have that strong of an opinion either way - too much free speculation without enough proof.

Gotta go boil some pasta, back in a bit.

[Korbas]

up until today i have in my minds eye trusted you, amp and d'riss, the three people who i'd look at and say okay i think if they are not on my faction then they may be heading in the same direction and may have the same goals. Now it is d day I know a kill and a lynch could win it. As long aas the right people are lynched and killed. So far so good, my intuition has been quite good, I voted lio on the chance he was dom, i thought galain was rebel and the majority of people that have died or been lynched have benefitted my factions' win conditions and maybe another factions as well. With reactions to posts and who has voted for who, or who was unwilling to vote for someone must give clues and indicate what faction some people are on. Today I am thinking that Rashan is a top contender

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 06 July 2011 - 08:57 AM, said:

i am thinking that at most there are two rebels left, what are peoples thoughts on this?

Let's say you are correct. Then what? What's your balance for the rest of the factions? You like to ask questions. How bout answering some of your own?

[D'riss]

Anthras, on 05 July 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

If I let myself get played by Lio then bully for him and I don't deserve to win.

I have a bad feeling we're all getting played.

I'm also not in the least convinced that the Dominator is still dead - people don't seem to be thinking over all the possibilities.

What are "all the possibilities?" Please elucidate. The less you participate the more I start wondering why you are so hesitant to stick your neck out. Why do you think we are getting played?

[Korbas]

well the goal for me was to be rid of rebels and dominator, so i would think it looks something like this


2 rebels


vs


1 soulcatcher
3 lady


that is what i think, although there could be another faction involved but i haven't heard anything about that and no one has speculated



How do you see it left D'riss?



Oh by the by, I was thinking along the lines of



4 sc

4lady

1 dom

8 rebel to begin with?

[D'riss]

I'm thinking it is entirely possible you are correct with your breakdown now, but I'm not sure about original. Think it was more convoluted than that, actually. Unless Soul Catcher basically means Black Company, at which point, I start to agree, but I think there are more recruitables amongst Lady and Dominator.

I entirely disagree that the Dominator faction has disappeared though. I just can't agree as it is against every Mafia Cult principle. From what you say, you think there are 3 Lady, You, and two Rebel. I'd say 2 by 3 is more likely, but that's giving Cult WCS.

[D'riss]

Also, I'd love to see you match your CFs to that breakdown. I think it'd be fun.

[Korbas]

if i get a chance i'll have an attempt at lunch, who do you think is most likely to be 2 remaining rebels?

[D'riss]

I'm having trouble identifying Anthras, Rashan, Osseric, and Ampelas. I'm not going to throw names out without voting, and I'm not going to vote most likely faction, I'm going to vote for faction lead, as I have all game. If I had to choose there, it is between Anthras and Osseric at this point, with Ampelas as the wildcard.

[D'riss]

Who do you think are the Lady members Korbas? Who do you think is the Soul-Catcher faction?

[Korbas]

well i'm leaning towards Rashan and Anthras being rebels, with Anthras being (whisper) head of their faction but that is a guess. A good guess but a guess non the less

[D'riss]

Yeah, I've been trying to place Whisper for a while. A good candidate for a killer or strong Rebel member.

What do you think about Osseric? I haven't seen you really mention him much, I'm curious as to your thoughts. I know you don't think he's Rebel, but for those of us who can't/aren't quite willing to drop the Dominator he seems a good candidate with the two you mentioned as possible Rebels.

[Korbas]

you mentioned in one of your earlier posts that you thought Osseric to be a killer, i'd agree he fits the bill. The thing is the kills have been good imo, i don't know if there are two killers with one being blocked by someone? But if Osseric is the killer AND he is not of the lady or soul catcher then he is the worst killer ever. I could not see the killer killing rebel after rebel.

[Korbas]

sorry, unless he was of course with us guys.

[Korbas]

where do you see Rashan fitting?