[Ruse]

Galain, on 27 June 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

I'd forgotten more than I realized about this series

So possible factors:
1. Dominator
2. Lady
3. Taken
4. Black Company
5. Rebels
6. White Rose

So these will be aligned differently according to where in the events of the book this game takes place.

Looks complete. My guess is the WR will be aligned with one of the other factors rather than independent. I think each of the other factors has the possibility of being independent, though.

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 27 June 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Wouldn't the lady be the one able to recruit going on book spoilers? I'd say there are at least three factions and that the dominator is seperate form the lady and the rebels and I'm not sure whether the BC are alone or with the lady, how many would that make it...four? So three or four possibly. Would the WR be with the company then?

It does seem likely that the Lady can recruit by making new Taken. Conceptually it's possible for the Black Company to recruit, but it also seems like most of the "RI" type roles would fall into either the Rebel or BC faction. If that were true then the BC faction would be fairly large to begin with, which probably means no recruitment for them.

[Sorrit]

I suppose though if the dominator is seperate then there is the possibility he would be able to recruit as well but the lady in story would make more sense though.

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 27 June 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

I suppose though if the dominator is seperate then there is the possibility he would be able to recruit as well but the lady in story would make more sense though.

Agreed, these were my thoughts as well.

[Omtose]

If the dominator is asleep then its likely he has conditions that will wake him up and make him uber powerful, like the Eldar got the avatar of khaine in the warhammer game (mafia 65?)

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 22 hours and 53 minutes remaining
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Liz

[Mockra]

Sorrit, on 27 June 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

I suppose though if the dominator is seperate then there is the possibility he would be able to recruit as well but the lady in story would make more sense though.

I doubt the Dominator can do much. in hte books, the only reason the Lady could play her shenanigans, and the Rebellion existed at all was BECAUSE he was asleep. if he was awake, he'd pretty much take over everyhting w/o trying.

the White Rose is complicated. she can negate the Lady. that's it. this makes her both very powerful and very weak at once, b/c anyone else can easily kill her.



and she's with the BC, which cold be still employed by the Lady, but she's also a symbol for the Rebellion, which hates BC for being the Lady's mercs.



the amount of possible cominations this could translate into game mechanics is staggering.

[D'riss]

Right, I don't know why my mind keyed in on 4 factions to begin with, but I originally thought Dominator as cult, Rebel, Lady & Taken, and Black Company as the factions. But, then I realized that we didn't have the correct math for that to be balanced, so that shot theory. Also, the Dominator as a sleeping giant growing in power is something I hadn't considered. It makes sense canonically, and the Lady can Take which is basically code for recruit in Universe.

So, I don't know where I'm at anymore, other than pretty sure we've got unequal factions unless it's 2x8 +1, which is possible but seems unlikely. That could be canon bias rubbing off on me, though.

[Mockra]

problem with 2x8+1 is that canonically, the Rebellion was much, much weaker, than the Lady

[Mockra]

meant to add, unless the BC is considered part fo the Rebellion. but iirc they didn't go rogue untill the rebellion was basically crushed.

[Osseric]

Wow...after I left the dragonsex got out of hand.

I'm not familiar with the books, but the wiki plot summary was kind of confusing, simply because it seems that there was a fair amount of side-switching. The BC starts out working for the lady, but later doesn't. The Taken all fight amongst themselves, no one wants the Dominator awake.

So the question is, at what point in the books does this game take place?

We've got 17 players, so at the very least we know it's not even factions. My first thought though, was that the Dominator might be something like the Rallick Nom role that Illy played long ago.

[Sorrit]

It is complicated all right, I think it most likely that the Lady can recruit, if the BC is part of the lady's faction is the WR still with them or could she not, theoretically be off on her own with a minder? I suppose this has to be set in the first book, which would make it more likely that the BC is with the Lady.

2x8+1 was what I was leaning towards and yeah the rebellion was undermanned but I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be that skewed in the game.

[Osseric]

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

400 Years ago, the evil Dominator and his wife, the Lady and their ten most powerful mages, the Taken, were buried and thus ended their tyranny over the north. But time has passed and the mage Bormaz has freed the Lady and the Taken. And now, they want to rule again, have already conquered most of the north again, but the people don't want to be ruled by them again and rebel.

The Circle of Eighteen, 18 powerful mages, are their leaders and myth has it that the White Rose, the child, that defeated the Lady the first time is back and the Rebel is desperately trying to find her. And their time is short as the comet is in the sky and the comet is to be the signal for the ultimate defeat of the Lady.

But the Domnator stirrs in his grave. He seeks freedom and sovereignty. Thus even burried he is a thread to all, the Lady and the Rebel both.

Just reading the OP, it sounds like Lady/Taken vs. Circle of Eighteen. The BC... I don't know where they fit.

It sounds like some outstanding conditions exist that can change the game as it goes on, like how the Dominator might be freed, and how the rebels seems to need to "find" the White Rose.

[Ampelas]

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

Galain, on 27 June 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 June 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

Present and accounted for. Does no one else find it weird that the titular black company arent mentioned in the OP????

Mockra, on 27 June 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

I suppose the modgods don't want to tell the uniintiated whether they are still working for the Lady or broke off already.

There is a conspicuous lack of info in the OP.

I can think of at least 3 factions - Lady & Dominator, Black Company, White Rose & rebels. Are there any others I forgot? Its been several years since I read this.

The OP mentions that the Dominator is a threat to everyone - Lady and Rebel included - so it's possible the Lady and the Dominator are on separate factions. In fact, taking info from only the first book, the Lady and the Black Company might be on one side, with the Dominator and the Rebel on the other (with the Dominator manipulating the Circle). The Taken may well be their own faction, as they were plotting against each other as well as the Lady and the Black Company.

Here is the OP

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

400 Years ago, the evil Dominator and his wife, the Lady and their ten most powerful mages, the Taken, were buried and thus ended their tyranny over the north. But time has passed and the mage Bormaz has freed the Lady and the Taken. And now, they want to rule again, have already conquered most of the north again, but the people don't want to be ruled by them again and rebel.

The Circle of Eighteen, 18 powerful mages, are their leaders and myth has it that the White Rose, the child, that defeated the Lady the first time is back and the Rebel is desperately trying to find her. And their time is short as the comet is in the sky and the comet is to be the signal for the ultimate defeat of the Lady.

But the Domnator stirrs in his grave. He seeks freedom and sovereignty. Thus even burried he is a thread to all, the Lady and the Rebel both.

Not only is there a conspisous lack of info, the info that is there is confusing. Take the second paragraph for example. There is mention of the Rebel desparately trying to find her, is that in reference to the Lady or the White Rose? Whose side are the Cirlce of Eighteen on? Are they on their own side?

Those questions aside I think there is something we can safely take away from the OP. The last sentence strongly suggests that the leaders of the factions would be the Dominator, the Lady and the Rebel.

[D'riss]

The Circle of 18 are the Rebel, or at least that's what they are referred called by the BC, not an individual person. Also, because of the comet they'd be after the White Rose who is their prophecied savior/leader to help them defeat the Lady.

[Ampelas]

Man I completely missed out on the discussion regarding recruiting. Also crossposted with Osseric

[Ampelas]

D, on 27 June 2011 - 11:28 PM, said:

The Circle of 18 are the Rebel, or at least that's what they are referred called by the BC, not an individual person. Also, because of the comet they'd be after the White Rose who is their prophecied savior/leader to help them defeat the Lady.

facepalm.

That makes that second paragraph much clearer. Light bulb clearly on now.

[Mockra]

but, iirc, the BC were the ones who rescued the White Rose while in the Lady's employ, no?



goddamn, it's been too long since i've red the books.

[Anthras]

Mockra, on 28 June 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

but, iirc, the BC were the ones who rescued the White Rose while in the Lady's employ, no?

goddamn, it's been too long since i've red the books.

Well, I've never read the books, which might actually help. I've got no pre-conceived notions to wifom myself with.

[D'riss]

Right, first book wise the Rebellion are lookign for the White Rose who is unbeknownst to everyone hanging out with the Black Company. The Rebellion even bring a fake White Rose to the Tower.

Edit: x-post @Mockra

This post has been edited by D'riss: 28 June 2011 - 12:14 AM