[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

Leaving this for you... My hunch would be to not allow full reveals but allowing abilities and their results to be revealed.

Eloth, on 28 June 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

no game specific rules?

whats the deal with reveals?

Agreed. I'm going to clarify on thread.


We might get a problem next week:

Korabas, on 28 June 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

am heading off on saturday totally forgot about it. will hopefully have internet but if i dont post on monday (though i may try and get myself lynched by being uber aggressive) can you replace me?

Any idea who we could ask to replace dibs if needed?


Liz

[Path-Shaper]

Osseric, on 28 June 2011 - 12:27 PM, said:

Start Recruiting Process on Mockra

if lynched today,

Start Recruiting Process on Barghast.



I like Mockra's play so far, if he's not on my team, I want him to be. Barghast has been a non-presence, so he's the backup just for being a low-poster-possibly-laying-in-the-weeds.

I thought about going for Omtose right away, but something he said made me think he might be on my team already.

Noted.

I would prefer if you would just one conversation for your NAs and other comments. That makes it easier for me to keep track.

Liz

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 June 2011 - 09:24 AM, said:

Right, preliminary I'm going to kill HP.

might change, but it's better to keep an alternative in case I miss the deadline.

noted.

But next time please use bold when putting your provisionals in.

Also, can you please use one conversation for comments and NA both? That makes it easier for me to keep track.

Liz

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

Leaving this for you... My hunch would be to not allow full reveals but allowing abilities and their results to be revealed.

Eloth, on 28 June 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

no game specific rules?

whats the deal with reveals?

Agreed. I'm going to clarify on thread.


We might get a problem next week:

Korabas, on 28 June 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

am heading off on saturday totally forgot about it. will hopefully have internet but if i dont post on monday (though i may try and get myself lynched by being uber aggressive) can you replace me?

Any idea who we could ask to replace dibs if needed?


Liz

uff. Grief (likely), Obdi, KL, Vengy are all spoilered. alt146 and Silencer are heading to the UK, so won;t be available. We could try and PM Peanutbutta, he hasn;t been in since we ran Survivor. The Dude might be another good option. Bubba might want to step in although he's busy with work and more or less retired from mafia, iirc.

If not them, you get into weird waters. Sir Thursday, Impirion, Sixty are all good players but not a lot around. Slick Mongoose might be worth a try although I haven't seen him in ages.

[Lizradusa]

Right now it looke like HP gets killed. He is a Rebel and has no further information. Maybe we could ask him (when killed) if he would play another role if necessary.

[Tapper]

Lizra, on 28 June 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

Right now it looke like HP gets killed. He is a Rebel and has no further information. Maybe we could ask him (when killed) if he would play another role if necessary.

That too is an option, and a pretty good one too. We might catch a little of bit of flack for it later, but you can't keep everyone happy

[Dinivan]

It is a really good option. Might be unusual (or isn't it? wasn't around for really long) but way better than a modkill. FWIW I would totally do it.

When reading it the first time, Eloth's response to HP's witch-comment struck me a bit over the top, but reading it back it seems perfectly normal, given that HP repeated that comment twice (?). Wonder if I'd used that to drive a day one lynch (nothing going on there) but probably not, since I am a sheep and never drive anything.

Besides, I would have alted Eloth as me now, as I also tend to use "..." far too much.

[Path-Shaper]

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

Provisional kill on HP unless lynched, in which case kill Korabas (the none pink one )

theres to much going between me and pinky for me to kill him and not be put under suspicion

Noted

Liz

[Path-Shaper]

Tellan, on 28 June 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

well then, Kill Eloth if HP goes down

noted Liz

[Sorrit]

All I have to say is Bah Humbug .

[Path-Shaper]

Sorrit, on 28 June 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

All I have to say is Bah Humbug .

[Path-Shaper]

some more of the PMs

twelve:

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'm confused. What faction am I? Am I part of the Lady's faction or the Rebel's faction? Isn't the White Rose part of the Rebel faction? I think I'm part of the Lady's but if that is the case why can I talk to someone on a different faction's team? And if they are on a different team then why was I given info about that and also given a day kill to possibly take that person out?

The comment about possible winning conditions changing makes me very confused

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

You are not on the fraction of the Rebel or the Dominator, otherwise your VC would be different.
Your are a member of the Black Company and so is the White Rose.

As for the comment about changing VC: If something happens then they change, very much like recruiting.

Also if you not mind spoilers about the book I recomment you to read the wiki. That might help lightening your confusion somewhat.

Ment:

Mockra, on 27 June 2011 - 03:51 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 08:05 AM, said:

You don't even know if Whisper is in this game.
And sadly you are an unknowing lowly rebel this game, so no more information for you.


Liz

bah, well, the Rebellion needs SOMEONE to lead them.. right?



unless you're just making us cult fodder who need to get recruited to make the game any fun.

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

I have 18 people to choose from to lead the Rebellion.

Mockra, on 27 June 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

true. but Whisper was teh best.




...at least that's what I got from randomly flipping thru my "Cronicles of Black Company", while trying to find her name





....



untill she was taken, that is.

Mockra, on 28 June 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

hmm



thoughts so far: I have no clue what is happening.



i'm sure at least 20% of the players are well-informed. probably closer to 65


which means i'm going to do what I always do in faction games when I have no clue what's going on: make no effort to figure out what's happening, and seem ambiguous enough so that no one wil be able to guess which faction i'm on. THis generally works well, since no one tries to kill me, and by the end I just might figure out enouhg to make a difference.

[Path-Shaper]

Shin

Osseric, on 27 June 2011 - 03:21 AM, said:

Cool. Two faction games in a row where I seem to be a leader.

So, who is Soulcatcher? A subordinate? An ally?

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

Soulcatcher is one of the Taken.

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

Osseric, on 27 June 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

well..the wiki says she plots against me. So I should try to lynch her then?

It's up to you who you try to lynch.

Liz

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Osseric, on 27 June 2011 - 11:07 PM, said:

So, if I prepare a player and they then die/are lynched do I have to start again from scratch the next day?

Yes.

Liz

ansible

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Nice. Lizra, I made a point of reading the first Black Company book this weekend just so I could be more familiar with the game setup.

Well done.

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

What faction am I on? Is my faction the Circle or the Rebel?

Your fraction is Rebel.

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Does my daykill ability resolve instantly?

Provided Tapper or I are on to resolve, yes. Otherwise it gets resolved as soon as one of us sees it.

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Is it possible for my abilities or win conditions to change due to the White Rose? (e.g., say her abilities or role activates after a certain amount of time or conditions are met, does anything change for me?) Similarly, does anything change if I am recruited by the Lady or another party?

A recruitment without changing VCs would defeat the point, don't you think?


Liz

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

Ruse, on 28 June 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

Ruse, on 27 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Is it possible for my abilities or win conditions to change due to the White Rose? (e.g., say her abilities or role activates after a certain amount of time or conditions are met, does anything change for me?) Similarly, does anything change if I am recruited by the Lady or another party?

A recruitment without changing VCs would defeat the point, don't you think?


Liz

Touche. Let me refine my question... outside of recruitment, is it possible for my abilities to change in response to the White Rose? So if we (the Rebel) "find" her, do we receive benefits of some kind?

Your role PM contains all information you get regarding this issue.

[Path-Shaper]

Morgoth is not happy about the reveal rules.

Tellan, on 28 June 2011 - 12:53 PM, said:

I'm not allowed to reveal? So I can't fake reveal to save myself? wtf?

Tellan, on 28 June 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

the best things in life are fake revealing anything under the sun

Some more from twelve

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

If I use my day kill when will the results of that action take place? Will people know about it as soon as you are able to resolve the action or will we not know about it until the end of day or when a lynch occurs?

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

It takes place immediatly and is resolved on thread as soon as I am able to.

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

The Rebel has found the White Rose. You stay with her and join the Rebel forces.

You win if the Lady and the Dominator are defeated.

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

Yep you are definately trying to mind fuck us.

Can you tell me who HP was or which team he was on when he was lynched? I'm fairly sure he was a Rebel member which I thought was good for my team but now not so much.

Did someone get lucky? First night and we change sides already? Well now I think I know who to target. But if we change sides so easily maybe I won't vote all game. It will be too much of a give away that I keep targeting so many different factions.

Ugh. So complicated

Tattersail is not very patient

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

when do i get my cf's

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I'm working on them right now

Eloth was Feather of the fraction of the Dominator and dkt.
Korabas was One-Eye of Soulcatchers fraction and dibs.
Sorrti was a male rebel of the Rebel fraction and Muttley.

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

i don't know if giving the information out would help my team or not. the rebels are two down, the dominator is one down and my team is one down. my head will explode!!

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

HP - Sorrit - Rebels

Eloth - Dominator

Korabas - my brother just a summary for now until i'm back on later

[Path-Shaper]

HD-twelfe combo:

D, on 27 June 2011 - 05:10 PM, said:

I don't have much time to be on the comp right now, but I will be back in a few hours and hopefully you will be too so we can hammer out some strategy. Briefly all my goodies are passive but this, but I'm only lynchable if the Lady is in on the train and you are hopefully the weaponized partner.

I'm HD, by the way. Talk to you later on.

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 05:45 PM, said:

Hey HD, Twelve here. I don't have much time to chat or post today either. It's suppose to be a yard working day and I have a lot of backlog work to catch up on. Just a word of advice, don't own a lot of propertey unless you have other members of the family that are willing to help out with keeping the place maintained.

I'm a still a bit confused as to the number of factions or should I say fractions that are part of the game. Also what is with the mention of a possible recruitable faction as well.

What is up with you beeing mute? Is that just game flavor or are you banned from posting on thread?

It's time to make myself known on thread. I'll talk to you later.

D, on 27 June 2011 - 09:53 PM, said:

It's in universe canon stuff. You and I share a hand signal language (sign language) that only you and I, and eventually other members' of the Black Company learn because I'm mute. Obviously I can post, other wise I'd be dead pretty quick from mod-kill or more specifically not being modkilled after having not spoken.

Do you have any powers other than our lover comm? Raven was a very sneaky bad-ass in the first book, so it wouldn't surprise me if you had a Vig, Guard or got something if I got killed.

By the way, I'm going to use this thread for my PMs to Spoiler Heaven, so you get to put up with my drunken shenanigans later on.

Early Alts (after 10 minutes earlier today) I had:

Galain as Bent
Mockra as Morgy, but now after the most recent postings more likely Ment.

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Yeah I held back from giving out info earlier. I got some clarification from PS. From the opening statement it seemed like we may have been on two separate factions me the lady's and you the rebels. That seemed off so I wanted to know for sure that we were on the same team before I started spilling my guts. I skimmed the wiki to get a general feel for the game setup but that was before I got my role assignment. I was given a 1 time day kill. So a day time vig if you will.

I'm actually a little excited for having any kind of killing power as it is the first time ever that I've had one. Any suggestions on how I should blay it? I'm wondering ifI should put in a stanard provisional that if I ever get to L-1 to kill so and so just so it doesn't go to waste.

I don't ususally try to alt guess anyone as I'm not very good at it. But after the Survivor game I think I've picked up dkt's style a little bit. Not sure if he is playing this one yet.

D, on 27 June 2011 - 10:49 PM, said:

Faction game is easier to be loosey-goose with a vig because odds are you won't hit a member of your faction, unlike meat and tater's or regular town and scum. Provisional use is pretty early at this point, but it's your vig. But, yeah, if was you I'd start figuring out who are likely targets should be. Dominator is obviously #1, but he might be nigh on unkillable depending upon his faction strength or type of faction. After that, rebel leaders are a good target.

Are you supposed to find the Limper? In book, Raven wanted the Limper dead pretty badly.

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

The only reason I mentioned the provisional with my vig is that I will have large chunks of time where I probably won't be able to get on thread and If I get in trouble I might not be around to save my ass and as it is a day use vig it would be pretty sucky if I get lynched and don't use it at all. Though I don't expect to go out as early as I did last game. Night killed on day one.

No I Don't have to take out The Limper. Just kill the Rebel and the Domintor. Though it did mention that my Victory Conditions might change. But I can understand in the books why I would be a bit obsessed with killing the Limper. I think that there is some cult aspect that we may have to be wary of. What are your abilities? You mentioned that you have a number of them.

D, on 27 June 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

I can't be recruited (recruitment will deal with being Taken, I deaden magic like otataral), can only be lynched if the Lady is on the train. Thus, I have to avoid NA's. So, passive powers other than the Comm with you. Oh, if the Lady dies I get a one time LP, too. So, as long as the Lady is around and not getting me lynched, I'm good during the day.

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 11:34 PM, said:

So does that mean the Lady is on our side or currently working with us? Would you think the Dominator or the Lady would have the recruitment ability? I don't have any protection agaisnt recruitment so this lovers link could be a liability for you.

Also what is your take on the factions?

D, on 27 June 2011 - 11:42 PM, said:

Factions is up in the air now. I just don't know. My real analysis is on the thread. We are currently working with the Lady I think, as our goal is to defeat the Rebellion and the Dominator.

And, it depends on who can recruit... can the Dominator? Yes, but is he able to at the beginning of the game? I'm going to go with no for now, but it is possible. If so, you'll probably try to kill me. If it's the Lady, you are already more or less on her side, so you'd just wait til the end to kill me as she'll want to defeat the Dominator and Rebellion as well, she'll probably just have to kill me as well. But, that might be an individual goal.

You deal with that bridge when it's burnt. You could have told me you weren't recruitable as well, but you didn't. Which means you are playing for us to win so far, which is good. Not trusting my lover has been far worse for me in game than trusting, and that includes Spycraft where you are supposed to mistrust every lover Comm.

That's not us unless you are recruited, and I'll never know that until I see SH will I?

[Path-Shaper]

And some more

Ampelas, on 27 June 2011 - 11:48 PM, said:

Well I need to go pick up my boys. Thanks for the clarification on thread. That made thins so much more clearer.

D, on 28 June 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

Want to know why I hate faction games? Korabas just straight up either made a mistake or lied about information. However, he might be trying to draw votes to get action or just might be a moron who hasn't read the books but wants to pretend he has. So, I can't straight vote him as he might be on our team, I can only call him out for it and continue to try to not be fucking night killed.

D, on 28 June 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

And, we'll preliminarily spot Korabas as Dkt, and assume it was strategy that I played into. To be watched.

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 11:29 AM, said:

D, on 28 June 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

It is entirely possible the Korabaii are the same damn player with two alts. Probable? No, of course not. But it'd be won ballsy ass move for a mod to put a player into two alts named, essentially the same thing, and there is precedence for the former.

considering there are 17 players in the sign up and 17 alts, I can put this to rest, I think.

- T.

D, on 28 June 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

Don't rubbish my drunken theories. They are drunken for a reason. (So that I seem less stupid on thread than I really am)

D, on 28 June 2011 - 11:52 AM, said:

I'm extraordinarily tempted to test your seemingly good-natured clarification by being even more stupid. Instead, I'll say thanks, and leave it be.

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Looks like I need to do some catching up.

I did log on last night before bed. i didn't have time to post but I saw something from Hood's path that leads me to believe I may have made a mistake. Well it was Eloths mistake first if Eloth is in fact the Lady but I shouldn't have pointed it out if I am on the Lady's faction. But in any case do you think that HP is telling everyone that he is not part of the Lady's Faction? I need to go catch up now.

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

There seems to be a few people that have given clues as to which team they are not on but noone wants to be the person to drop a vote on them for verification of what team someone isn't on. I'm feeling more and more sure that HP isn't on our team. Maybe I should just kill him and see where this leads....

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

I've been busy at work. I've just been keeping up to date with the posts. I want to vote for HP and save my day kill for later but I don't want people to associate me wth the lady's faction by doing so. I believe that Korabas is either connected with HP or on the Rebel's team or both because of his out of the blue vote for Omtose. I'm thinking that Eloth and Galain are most likely on our team and possibly Omtose as well. I'm thinking there are just 3 factions maybe a fourth hidden one. I think that the Lady's and the Rebels factions are somewhat equal in size and that the Dominator is the recruiter smaller faction.

What do you think?

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 05:50 PM, said:

Scratch that. I'm thinking that Korabas is on our team from this mention of the BC when there is no mention of them in the OP. Mistake on his part if that is the case.

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

Scratch my scratch. Looks like my victory conditions have changed. From my message so did yours. Do you think it will change again? Also what is your take on HPs death? I think he was a rebel member but that is just a guess.

Ampelas, on 28 June 2011 - 07:48 PM, said:

3 deaths at night. The same night that you and I switch sides. I had both Eloth and Korabas as possible teammates (well before we switched sides that is) and both of them are now dead. Either they were causalties of us switching sides or else someone else from the other factions had them pegged as team Lady as well and took matters into their own hands.

Liz

[Vengeance]

Morgoth should be very disappointed with himself. His first game back and he kills DKT instead of Dibs.... That just goes to show how rusty he is. The old morgy would have had that kill on dibs from the get go.

[Hood's Path]

Second game in a row where I get lynched on day one for not being on thread near the timeout. Never announcing that again (though I didn't last time either).

[Hood's Path]

Hah, I see I was dead twice from NKs too. Awesome way to start playing again, dead three times on day one.

[Hood's Path]

Quick question, there is no FM in game but the lack of player CF and the setting could suggest one (Shifter) so are we to post here in alts or can we ditch them now?