[Mockra]

you could also ask someone in North America to help you mod.....

not me, though: i've 2 days off, which are gonna be errand-filled, and i'm back ot work on Wed for the rest of the week.

[Morgoth]

It's a shame I didn't get to play more of this game.


Also, I forgot to mention this earlier. In my opinion, having modded quite a few games, artificial limitations on things like revealing is always a bad idea. It forces players to avoid certain subjects and create unnecessary boundaries in regards to the options a player has. It's one of those things that really shouldn't be touched unless there's a very specific and all-depending reason. Like voting in a way.

Denying player's right to reveal also removes the potential for some truly memorable conflicts and general shenanigans. There are few things as impressive as a fake reveal that leads to victory, or a fake reveal that explodes all over the thread.

It's often tempting to ban revealing to counteract a weakness in balance, but in my opinion it is always better to work on the balance in other ways to avoid the problem altogether. In this game I cannot see any reason why revealing should have been banned to begin with though.

[Path-Shaper]

Rashan, on 05 July 2011 - 06:44 AM, said:

My order of preference for finds (most preferred at the top):

Ampelas
Anthras
Galain
Korbas


The highest alive player gets found tonight.

Anthras, on 05 July 2011 - 05:28 AM, said:

Spoiler entry:

Not as drunk as I'm pretending, but close. There are seven people left I think, and four of them don't seem to be on my team. So I'm sticking with my NA, and apologies to my team if I just fucked us over. D'riss is coasting and way below the radar, Korbas is lying in a way that doesn't benefit my faction so I seriously doubt he's on my team, and Galain and Rashan have said things that I don't think someone Lady aligned would say. I don't remember who the other person would be.

Also, Korbas must have been lying about the Dominator self-hammering. Or the Dominator is an FM, but I haven't seen any posting habits change, but it's a bitch looking for FM clues right during a weekend, because everyone's posting patterns change anyways. Fuck.

[Path-Shaper]

D, on 01 July 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

THE FUCK??????????????

No way Dominator just offed himself, unless he was trying to prevent his lynch by including himself, and I and the Lady had to be on the lynch for it to succeed.....

Serious fucking wifom time over here now. Time to think think think!

D, on 02 July 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

Galain. Rashan. Or Osseric. I'm convinced Lady had to be on that train. It's the only way to make sense of it, and have it to be true.

Galain. Rashan. Or Osseric. A drink a drink a drink....

If the Lady is Anthras, good on him. Or if Korbas has played us like a fiddle, good on him. It doesn't change that one of the three are the droids we are looking for....

Christ. This is going to be a funky endgame.

D, on 02 July 2011 - 04:22 AM, said:

Amp, I wish you had your Day Vig too. But, I'm glad you used it:

(1) Mafia is for fun. You might have missed on your target, but day killing someone and the resulting cluster-fuck is always fun to watch. And, the vig feels like a ticking time-bomb in your pocket you've got to get rid of, I understand wanting to use it before dying.
(2) I wanted you to use it before you could turn it on me if you were recruited. You were the only person who knew me, and that was insta-death if you got recruited away. I try to balance the paranoia and team function. I never tried to encourage or discourage using it.
(3) We had a narrow list of targets, and it's partly my fault for not being around enough to discuss things to make it a target less damaging. Omtose would be major for us if he was still around right now, but no crying over spilt milk. Everything else resulted from that.

D, on 02 July 2011 - 04:44 AM, said:

I'm going to break out Meta eventually. Problem being I can never alt Shin or D'rek, and haven't played enough with Kurt.

Alt - Role - Faction - Player

Osseric - () - () - Shin
Anthras - () - () - D'rek
Korbas - Croaker - ( ) - Tattersail (nearly 1000%)
Rashan - () - () - Kurt

Meta, meta, meta....... MEEEEETTTTTTAAAAA.

D, on 02 July 2011 - 04:48 AM, said:

Missing: Whisper (Osseric??), Lady (Anthras??), Limper (Galain???), Croaker (Korbas),

HP - ?? Rebel - Rebel - Gwynn
Sorrit - ?? Rebel - Rebel - Muttley
Barghast - Rebel Soldier - Rebel - Gust Hubb
Ruse - Raker - Rebel - Ansible
Omtose - Harden - Rebel - Roldem

Korabas - One-Eye - Soul Catcher - Dibs
Tellan - Soul Catcher- Soul Catcher - Morgy

Mockra - Soldier of Lady - Lady - Mentalist

Eloth - Feather - Dominator - Dkt
Liosan - Dominator - Dominator - Bent

Ampelas - Raven - Rebel - Twelve
D'riss - White Rose - Rebel - HD

D, on 02 July 2011 - 05:20 AM, said:

It'll take 4 votes to get a lynch. Considering we make up a 2/7 block, they'll need 4 of 5 of two factions to go along with the lynch if it is one of us.

Ampelas, on 03 July 2011 - 01:16 AM, said:

Doing a quick check in before dinner. We are hosting a BBQ tomorrow and had lots of yard work to do. Now that you mention your alt guesses it is very clear that you are right about Tattersail. I don't think I've ever played with Kurt. I should have a better feel for D'rek from playing so close with her from Survivor but I don't. If Shin is still in you should be able to atl him just from his posting times. He is the other side of the world from most of us for crying out loud. I just never bother to look at posting times.

D, on 03 July 2011 - 05:19 AM, said:

I tend to post when it is afternoon there, so, that isn't quite as easy as it sounds. Due to being busy, it hasn't been the case this time as much, but he can be a sneaky hider.

Also, your remove vote post is glorious. Absolute jibberish, but glorious.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 02:42 AM, said:

I'm now not so sure we should vote out Galain. I'm now leaning on a Korbas lynch. I think that he is either the Lady or at least on the Lady's or soulcathcer's faction. I haven't had any time to be on thread all weekend and I'm not going to vote until I hear from you. We are so going to lose because of Day timing out and we are all enjoying the 4th festivities.Sucks but it is what it is. Other than the Omtose bad luck I felt we were in a pretty good position to pull out the win. Now I think the Lady's faction has it in the bag.

[ansible]

Lizra, if you need a North American co-mod, I'm on CDT and should be pretty available for most of the week. Happy to help if needed.

[Lizradusa]

 ansible, on 05 July 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

Lizra, if you need a North American co-mod, I'm on CDT and should be pretty available for most of the week. Happy to help if needed.

That would be great.

[Path-Shaper]

Anthras, on 05 July 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

You know what ... hell with it, I'm changing my kill, and I hope I'm not throwing away the game by doing so. I've just got nothing on D'riss to justify a Kill. So ... my emerging theory is that Liosan took over Galain as an FM, gambling that we wouldn't go after someone who was so obviously being framed by Liosan:

Kill Galain

If Galain gets lynched while I'm away, my alternate is:


Kill Korbas

Because if Liosan wasn't an FM than Korbas is lying about the Dominator CF, and a lying CF is useless, and working for the one he was lying about being dead.

Makes as much sense as anything. And I have absolutely no read on Ampelas or D'riss, whereas I think Galain and Rashan are Rebel or BC, thus less of a threat than the Dominator faction (whatever's left of it).

noted

Liz

[Path-Shaper]

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

Korbas is not part of our faction. I'm 97% sure that he is not. I'm 63.6% sure that he is part of the Soulcatchers faction. I really think that we need to vote his ass off even if he isn't the lady. What are your thoughts? Before the reset Day 4 timer is out.

D, on 05 July 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Oh, I guarantee Korbas isn't in our faction. The question becomes, whose faction is he in, and how close are they to reaching a majority?

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

So you are still convinced that Galain is the better choice for the Lady? I need to lay my vote down and I have a slight nagging suspicion that Galain may just be our last remaining rebel out there other than you and I.

D, on 05 July 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

He could be. But, people seem very hesitant to vote for him, don't you think? That's the only reason I'm really hesitating.

D, on 05 July 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

Well, now he's at L-1. Let's see if somebody jumps at it. If they do... oh well. Better to go down lynching than let them win through inaction.

D, on 05 July 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

I'll be back in a couple hours. Let's hope we're both still alive and game is still on and you haven't been recruited.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Well I laid down my vote. It's up to Osseric or Antrhas to lay down the hammer or they both need to vote for Korbas to get a lynch. I'm crazy busy here today and all this week. Here is hoping it's game over we win if this goes our way.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

I may have thought about this too late but maybe I should do a partial fake reveal saying that I was recruited last night and that I know of the identity of the White Rose and that lynching the Rose would give me the victory and then throw someone under the bus to drive a lynch. I would set myself up to be the next one gone if we didn't hit the Lady but if we both survive then it might be something to try for the next day.

[Path-Shaper]

Anthras, on 05 July 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

If I'm about to completely fuck the game for my team, in my defense ... there wasn't a hell of a lot to go on in-thread. And while Korbas may have started out neutral or for the Lady, he's almost certainly been recruited by now. That is, if the Dominator can recruit, and isn't just an FM with one starting Symp. But Eloth wouldn't have made sense as a Symp given his background Role, so must have been Recruited and Killed in the same Night. And I refuse to believe in a FM that can also Recruit.

I also refuse to believe that Bent would've deliberately self destructed, sabotaging their own team. Either Korbas is lying (and thus needs to die), or Liosan was an FM (and Galain is my most likely pick for who he shifted to). Those are the only possibilities.

Even worse, I don't know if my own faction can even recruit. I think it would make sense. Maybe.

[Lizradusa]

It's almost bedtime here, so it would be great if you can keep things going, ansible.

[ansible]

 Lizra, on 05 July 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

It's almost bedtime here, so it would be great if you can keep things going, ansible.

No problem, I should be good to keep watch for the rest of the evening (8 hours or so).

[ansible]

Verrrrry quiet...

[Path-Shaper]

Osseric, on 06 July 2011 - 05:58 AM, said:

Korbas should know the Limper. The Limper is alive, unless Korbas lied about him in an earlier cf. That means there are 3 of us, out of the final 6. All Korbas has to do is pick a lynch target that isn't me or the Limper, and I'm game.

Plot twist is the Limper isn't on my side or something like that, but if he is, we should have a chance at pulling this out. If the Limper knows me and has tried to signal it, I've been too dense to pick it up though. D'riss is really the only person to interact with me directly, but I don't feel like it's him for some reason.

Anthras, on 06 July 2011 - 06:10 AM, said:

Provisional Night Action:

Kill D'riss

Because something about his posts after the most recent Night just pretty much say "not on my team."

It's interesting that he suddenly started talking about Liosan being a possible FM, too.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

I'm liking that Korbas is thinking that he can trust me. Maybe we can exploit that to get one of the other 3 lynched. Anthras and Osseric are my two main choices for the Lady at this point. What do you think of me calling out the White Rose and saying that I've been recruited? Do you think anyone will buy it?

D, on 05 July 2011 - 09:29 PM, said:

I'm thinking it's a gamble we take if it gets desperate (as long as you don't name me ). The good thing about is that nobody could counter your reveal directly. However, I have a sneaky suspicion Korbas has some sort of relationship with the Lady other than just the CF (this is book conjecture, nothing more). That means someone else could immediately counter and then poof you are going to get lynched for lying and they'll view that as an attempt to get the win and team up against you.

So, it is something to keep in mind. But, for now I think we are good and might be able to swing an Osseric or Anthras lynch because of their simple refusal to vote for anyone.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 09:39 PM, said:

I'm beginning to seriously question the whole recruitment aspect of the whole game. I think it's players switching sides based on events in the game and not any activity a player uses.

I see what you are saying about the risks of such a reveal. And if we don't get the Lady on the lynch then we have the real risk of you or me getting NK'd. So do you think Galain is a Rebel or Soulcatcher faction?

D, on 05 July 2011 - 09:45 PM, said:

I don't know. I'm tempted to say not Rebel or Dominator, thus probably Lady. But, I don't know. Whoever killed them wants Korbas gone though, as Galain was the only one receiving lynch-heat and taking some of that away from Korbas.

Either that, or the killer is still on our team and was using my vote as a guide, but I don't think the Rebel know who we are....

So, I don't know. WIFOM reasoning goes into hyper-mode when trying to logic out kills.

Re: recruitment... what sort of events? The only way we could have switched sides is if you were recruited by Rebel or I was found by Rebel, and either of us were dragged along as part of events. I do think there is recruitment of some sort, though. Cult = recruiting, not game-based allegiance switching, labeling something as Cult that isn't would be a massive mind-fuck for everybody such that the entire game would be played on entirely different presumptions.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

I might be on to something. I just need to take a mafia break and was wondering if you might be able to help out? I think that there is some connetion between who is on the lynch train and names and factions in end of phase scene. I would like to do a cross reference between all of the people who Korbas has CFs on with all of the end of day and Night scenes to see if there is a corrolation.

D, on 05 July 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

This is where Path-Shaper would say, "There are no clues in the scenes" and we all scoff because of course there are minor, minor clues in the scenes.

I'll see what I can do later on. The last couple have focused heavily on just the Rebel and Lady forces, I have noticed that. Which would fly with the Dominator being dead.

Ampelas, on 05 July 2011 - 11:23 PM, said:

If Korbas shows Galain's CF as either Limper, Goblin or Lady then I may be on to something. If not then I am probably wasting my time.

D, on 06 July 2011 - 05:26 AM, said:

Just tossing the ball around. Who would you say you are if we went with Armageddon fake-reveal option? It'd have to be somebody not in the game and preferably recruitable. You can't claim Raven, but I guess you could imply, but the implication is something I'd want cleared by PS if I were you.

D, on 06 July 2011 - 06:14 AM, said:

Galain was a Rebel? Think Korbas might have just got himself lynched with that one.

[HiddenOne]

 Path-Shaper, on 29 June 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

 Lizra, on 29 June 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

 Tapper, on 29 June 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Perhaps just to fuck with your minds, perhaps to make matters worse, perhaps to put in a word of caution, perhaps even to give a tiny, tiny tip: you do know that 'book' can also refer to a physical entity of pages surrounded by a cover, and that 'omnibus' is a kind of representation of such a thing, right? Cook is hard to find in Europe in anything other than collected volumes.

I don't have a collected volume and only read the first book. So the design is solely based on what I got out of the first book. Just saying.

Oops Oh well

- T.

This is evil incarnate

[Path-Shaper]

D, on 06 July 2011 - 10:26 AM, said:

The problem with talking to Korbas is he has jack all to lose. It's fucking annoying as hell and I have to fucking dance all around his questions which is annoying as hell. Sorry I threw you out there, but it needed to be done for the sake of some sort of separation between us.

D, on 06 July 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

This is why frustration is bad. Because you get pissed off and say stupid stuff. And it works. Sigh. I'll answer stupid questions with stupid questions.

D, on 06 July 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

So, either Osseric is the Lady or it's Anthras or Rashan. We've learned so much! Depending on how naive you think Korbas is, and I don't think he's that naive anymore.... blargh.

[HiddenOne]

This was a great game, excellent play by all. The mechanics made it seem different from other faction games I've played, not a bad thing at all. Well done, Liz

[Path-Shaper]

I wonder where they got that FM thing from.

liz

[Dinivan]

I guess they just assume the worst about the upset. Though the presence of a FM would require a higher TMDI I should think, and the posting in Spoiler Heaven should also give it away. I would think that they do not really expect a FM, they mention the possibility to discuss things without discussing things, or throw some fog around.

So how'll play it out from hereon? As far as I see it, none other than Rashan needs the lady dead. Only the lady needs all the rest dead, so they should lynch her in self-defence But probably won't, and night will only help the lady's faction now.

By the way, who is still considered on the Rebel's faction? Whisper? Otherwise I'd say that the dominator is dead, none of his faction alive (or did I miss a recruit, I didn't follow up to closely on the nightactions), and the Rebels also, meaning that Croaker, White Rose and Raven have met their VC... Or do they?

[Lizradusa]

Croaker has changed fraction and is now on the Ladys fraction and the White Rose and Raven have changed fractions and are now rebels.
So its 3 Lady (Osseric, Anthras and Korbas) against 3 Rebel (Rashan, D'riss and Ampelas)

[Gust Hubb]

I asked about the faceless man way earlier in the game.... Maybe that is sitting in their subconsciousness...