[Path-Shaper]

There hasn't been a lot of P-S posts lately... I hope I have the vote count correct with the stuff below:

- T.

It is Day 3. 7 hours and 55 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Fener ( Kalse, Anomandaris )
3 Votes for Tiamatha ( Eloth, Barghast, Alkend )
1 Vote for Eloth ( Tiamatha )

Players not voted: D'riss, Fener, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros

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also, dear chaps, I would like to point out that there is to be no talk whatsoever of what the content of one's PM is. I think we stretch it as far as alignments being debatable but that is it. The second someone reveals their leader (if there are any, of course) I will stop polishing the mod-hammer and start wielding it, for example.

- T.

[Fener]

So trumpet dont have a leader?

or did Alkend just make a mistake?

[Alkend]

just read ps's post so deleted what i was sayiong, i was just specualting on what yiou said fener.

This post has been edited by Alkend: 17 June 2011 - 09:21 AM

[Fener]

i dont see how speculating on what i said is illegal alkend....i never quoted anything info my pm...nor did i reveal my leader.

[Fener]

I also cant ignore the fact that my leader could possibly be recruited.
In my head i am simply trying to narrow the possible cult recruiters, since my leader cant be one.

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

i dont see how speculating on what i said is illegal alkend....i never quoted anything info my pm...nor did i reveal my leader.

Speculation is no reason at all for a modkill, but revealing knowledge/ certainty is (as is going to try and reveal by elimination through speculation, for example 'I think a, b, c, e, f is a leader' excluding D and thereby pointing at D, is also illegal).

[Fener]

ok....so we simply cant talk about our leaders?

bit silly...since i could actually be bullshitting...meh

[Alkend]

For now



Remove Vote

[Fener]

make up your mind there boyo!!

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

ok....so we simply cant talk about our leaders?

bit silly...since i could actually be bullshitting...meh

anything that can be deducted/ constructed with evidence from thread is allowed. Anything that is solely based on P-S information directly to a player is not, no matter how craftily it is brought forward. Fairly simply put: with the design of the game as it is, we don't want reveal fests and revealing info like that is going to lead to one. This has been true since the start of the game. I don't see what is unlogical or hard to swallow about that.

- T.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 7 hours and 27 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Fener ( Kalse, Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Tiamatha ( Eloth, Barghast )
1 Vote for Eloth ( Tiamatha )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Fener, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros

[Alkend]

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:38 AM, said:

make up your mind there boyo!!

there is no certainties, i wouldn't want to tilt the lynch towards tiam when your just as viable, i'll see what others have to say before making up my mind. I guess its about trust and who i trust and who i don't.



i'll be around to get a vote in

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 17 June 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

ok....so we simply cant talk about our leaders?

bit silly...since i could actually be bullshitting...meh

anything that can be deducted/ constructed with evidence from thread is allowed. Anything that is solely based on P-S information directly to a player is not, no matter how craftily it is brought forward. Fairly simply put: with the design of the game as it is, we don't want reveal fests and revealing info like that is going to lead to one. This has been true since the start of the game. I don't see what is unlogical or hard to swallow about that.

- T.

What if someone wants to reveal a role?

like finder healer guard etc?


that would be in there pm right?

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:46 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 June 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

ok....so we simply cant talk about our leaders?

bit silly...since i could actually be bullshitting...meh

anything that can be deducted/ constructed with evidence from thread is allowed. Anything that is solely based on P-S information directly to a player is not, no matter how craftily it is brought forward. Fairly simply put: with the design of the game as it is, we don't want reveal fests and revealing info like that is going to lead to one. This has been true since the start of the game. I don't see what is unlogical or hard to swallow about that.

- T.

What if someone wants to reveal a role?

like finder healer guard etc?


that would be in there pm right?

yup. So you can want it all you want, you're not going to do it.

You can dislike it as much as you like, but this is the rule (at the least until Roldom comes in and says I'm talking stinking big piles of steaming nazi shit).

- T.

[Fener]

so what you are saying is that Tiam and alkend should be mod killed because they revealed as Trumpet since that is in there respective pm's

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:55 AM, said:

so what you are saying is that Tiam and alkend should be mod killed because they revealed as Trumpet since that is in there respective pm's

I refer you to # 541.

[Path-Shaper]

Listen guys, we set up a game for fun for players and we try to do that as well as we fucking can. That means that some info is exclusive. That means that some things have to be hidden and stay hidden. That means that some things cannot be said.

Now, I can go and treat the fucking game as a lawsuit and look very closely at stuff or do it with broad guidelines but how fucking tough is it to just roll with what has been laid down?

I feel the game is very much becoming a 'play against P-S and find the loophole' instead of 'play the game' and outsmart your opponents? There has been quite a bit of P-S explanation already on thread in addition to a large OP which contains quite a few role names and explanations on where factions stand. Apparently it is not enough - I wonder how the fuck people coped back in the day when the Culture game had hidden factions to begin with.

The need to find loopholes and force P-S to either swallow or modkill and thereby decide the game is a trend I see in a great many games of all kinds of TMDI and by many different mods and frankly, I'm fucking fed up with it. If I was the main mod for this game, I'd now probably have put the SH password up thread and be done with it, but it is Roldom's and I'd very much like for this game to be fun and hopefully also a success.

- T.

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 17 June 2011 - 10:03 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 June 2011 - 09:55 AM, said:

so what you are saying is that Tiam and alkend should be mod killed because they revealed as Trumpet since that is in there respective pm's

I refer you to # 541.

yea...well i was just joking as it seems you are contradicting yourself

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 17 June 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Listen guys, we set up a game for fun for players and we try to do that as well as we fucking can. That means that some info is exclusive. That means that some things have to be hidden and stay hidden. That means that some things cannot be said.

Now, I can go and treat the fucking game as a lawsuit and look very closely at stuff or do it with broad guidelines but how fucking tough is it to just roll with what has been laid down?

I feel the game is very much becoming a 'play against P-S and find the loophole' instead of 'play the game' and outsmart your opponents? There has been quite a bit of P-S explanation already on thread in addition to a large OP which contains quite a few role names and explanations on where factions stand. Apparently it is not enough - I wonder how the fuck people coped back in the day when the Culture game had hidden factions to begin with.

The need to find loopholes and force P-S to either swallow or modkill and thereby decide the game is a trend I see in a great many games of all kinds of TMDI and by many different mods and frankly, I'm fucking fed up with it. If I was the main mod for this game, I'd now probably have put the SH password up thread and be done with it, but it is Roldom's and I'd very much like for this game to be fun and hopefully also a success.

- T.

hmmm well i dont really see where your anger is coming from.

I was simply asking about "role" reveals since it was not extremely clear what was meant by "you cant quote your pms"

actually...nowhere is it absolutely clear what one can and cannot reveal...so wats your problem?
Im just asking for some clarification. Since you say we cant reveal role pms and yet some people did reveal info from there role pms in revealing their faction!...jeezuz

So what you are saying is no one can reveal anything...wich mean no fake reveals?...which is...well...interesting.

[Fener]

double post

This post has been edited by Fener: 17 June 2011 - 10:41 AM