[D'riss]

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

[Alkend]

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

Read kalse's posts, they just seem too laid back and careful. A cultist wouldn't go against 8 people voting for someone and say, "i think a no lynch would be better than a lynch", also just after we got the cf on merrid his comment struck me as a frustrated town, high up though, i think kalse is high up in either trumpet ump or umpc

i see what you mean about tiam now, maybe i needed it clearing up a little, that last post by tiam seemed very townlike though, and it made a lot of sense

[D'riss]

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

Read kalse's posts, they just seem too laid back and careful. A cultist wouldn't go against 8 people voting for someone and say, "i think a no lynch would be better than a lynch", also just after we got the cf on merrid his comment struck me as a frustrated town, high up though, i think kalse is high up in either trumpet ump or umpc

i see what you mean about tiam now, maybe i needed it clearing up a little, that last post by tiam seemed very townlike though, and it made a lot of sense

Regarding Kalse fair enough. I certainly get the 'rolled' vibe from him. As you noted, very thoughful and careful posting.

You will notice I have not voted for Tiam. I'm not sure of Tiam myself. He just seems 'off'. Either his game just rubs me the wrong way, but Ive got something suspicious about him I just can't identify right now. Maybe it is just because he voted for me while doing what he accuses me of?

I'm hoping Serc will come back soonish and start playing so we can vote off someone we are suspicious of instead of a lowposter

[Alkend]

i'm going to bed, i won't be around for the final stages, i'll leave my vote on serc as i believe he is the best option out of those available

[Alkend]

but kalse is a low poster as well as serc but i'm inclined to keep kalse around. it isn't the fact that he is a low poster, it is the fact he has no posts with substance or anything

[Alkend]

serc gamelon lio and kalse are the lowest posters, but out of those 4 three seem to be participating and actually adding to the thread whereas serc hasn't, i cannot explain that but this vote isn't because he is a low poster, it is becuase he is giving me the vibe of rolled cult.

[Alkend]

right i'm gone, see you in the morning

[D'riss]

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

serc gamelon lio and kalse are the lowest posters, but out of those 4 three seem to be participating and actually adding to the thread whereas serc hasn't, i cannot explain that but this vote isn't because he is a low poster, it is becuase he is giving me the vibe of rolled cult.

The biggest telling thing for me is that those others were upwards of 10 posts today, before I started pressuring Serc. Gamelon, Liosan, and Kalse were not pressured to post, not with any kind of votes or suspicion, and they have been at least around and talking, if not saying much. Serc, on the other hand, hasn't.
Anyway, night night.

Edit: Put full alt names in there.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 15 June 2011 - 09:05 PM

[Path-Shaper]

well guys and gals, this is probably my last post for tonight... and tomorrow is the anual outing with work (canoeing with a 90% of rain, that's going to be awesome....ly cold and wet). So, no lynch resolution from me, and no posts/ moderating tomorrow either.
roldom has everything under control, though, so that's actually TWO pieces of good news for all of you!

- T

[Serc]

Back and reading up.
Morning all!

[D'riss]

I see you Eloth.

[Eloth]

Tryin this on phone. Just remembered night was prob falling during my bedtimes. Excuse my nekkid Ness I came seem to go anon on phone. Lots if discussion today, seemed like good catch of ruse protecting fener. And fener was worried bout low poster hunt.

vote fener

I don't think tiam is cult and though serc hasn't much content I think fener could be cult given the pods match yesterday and ruse post.

Night

[Eloth]

I know driss, typing on phone. Night

[D'riss]

Interesting.

Serc, love to hear some thoughts from you on everyting.

I'm off to dinner, will be back before day times out.

[Anomandaris]

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

I'm legit voting Okaros for what I believe is him trying to paint an easy target, a self-defensive move because he has something to lose, which I'm surmising is that he is a possible recruiter.

[Serc]

Right, so a couple of things,

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

Read kalse's posts, they just seem too laid back and careful. A cultist wouldn't go against 8 people voting for someone and say, "i think a no lynch would be better than a lynch", also just after we got the cf on merrid his comment struck me as a frustrated town, high up though, i think kalse is high up in either trumpet ump or umpc

I agree with this, the whole thing with voting Merrid was wound up and strange, and Kalse made sense at the time.
I still would tempted to vote Fener because of it.

I think we're flailing around a lot, and voting a low poster (ie me) isn't really the way to go. Didn't work out so well last time, did it?
Honestly, I don't think there's too much of substance being said really. All I can say is that I still think something weird went down on day one, and we've been fairly well distracted from it today.

[Serc]

And I'll be be back in an hour or so hopefully...

[Tiamatha]

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

What? How in the hell is that something cult would do?

Vote Okaros

Now, trying to jump onto what you may think is an easy target, throwing in a "that's what cult would do" to try and cement it and giving shit all for explanation, that's what a cult would really do

oh, and you think human faction players would want to confuse us, and diversify targets?
look, I don't know everyone's wiiing conditions, obviously, but i'm willing to make an educated guess that win conditions for all 3 "human" factions revolve around eliminating the Amnion. Call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure no humans would want the aliens to win.

as such, i'm pretty sure that should be our first priority. I don't see why we should get sidetracked form that.

how is trying to map out the current field of play a means of throwing everyone into confusion? i have agreed that eliminating the cult is a high priority, but i don't want the 3 other factions skating by in the meantime, setting things up to their own advantage. if you aren't capable of multitaskig stick to a MP game.

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

Read kalse's posts, they just seem too laid back and careful. A cultist wouldn't go against 8 people voting for someone and say, "i think a no lynch would be better than a lynch", also just after we got the cf on merrid his comment struck me as a frustrated town, high up though, i think kalse is high up in either trumpet ump or umpc

i see what you mean about tiam now, maybe i needed it clearing up a little, that last post by tiam seemed very townlike though, and it made a lot of sense

Regarding Kalse fair enough. I certainly get the 'rolled' vibe from him. As you noted, very thoughful and careful posting.

You will notice I have not voted for Tiam. I'm not sure of Tiam myself. He just seems 'off'. Either his game just rubs me the wrong way, but Ive got something suspicious about him I just can't identify right now. Maybe it is just because he voted for me while doing what he accuses me of?

I'm hoping Serc will come back soonish and start playing so we can vote off someone we are suspicious of instead of a lowposter

i would like to amend the above and remind you that i was posting long before anyone turned heat onto me at the start of day 2. furhtermore, even with the heat, i have been trying to add thoughts as to our situation in this four faction (not two) war. perhaps you would like to ask me about your suspicions directly? i'm all ears.

i also am starting to wonder about your attachment to hoping Serc will speak up. i've notice everytime he pops on you say you are waiting to hear from him, and even now you seem guarded about anyone voting for serc. i know this a similar arguement to day 1, and am hesitant to switch my vote off you, but i must confess that alkend had a good point in the fact that serc, for all his "wait for me i'll get to posting in a sec" he doesn't follow through.

so first, since you have moved to a higher profile (albeit a still antagonistic without saying much role, e.g. "fishy" "rubs me the wrong way" "supiscious"), i think i will stand back from my argument that you are a leader and

Remove vote


for the time being, though i am still watching closely. as for serc, i believe we now have a little over 4.5 hours to go. if it will help him get going, i will move my vote to him (worked last time someone voted for him) and watch closely for the rest of the day

Vote serc

i won't hesitate to switch back to you though d'riss. so perhaps explain a little your fascination with serc and his lowposting when we have about 3-4 others who could be given a similar rep

edit: vote wasn't bolded

This post has been edited by Tiamatha: 15 June 2011 - 10:12 PM

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 10:11 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

What? How in the hell is that something cult would do?

Vote Okaros

Now, trying to jump onto what you may think is an easy target, throwing in a "that's what cult would do" to try and cement it and giving shit all for explanation, that's what a cult would really do

oh, and you think human faction players would want to confuse us, and diversify targets?
look, I don't know everyone's wiiing conditions, obviously, but i'm willing to make an educated guess that win conditions for all 3 "human" factions revolve around eliminating the Amnion. Call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure no humans would want the aliens to win.

as such, i'm pretty sure that should be our first priority. I don't see why we should get sidetracked form that.

how is trying to map out the current field of play a means of throwing everyone into confusion? i have agreed that eliminating the cult is a high priority, but i don't want the 3 other factions skating by in the meantime, setting things up to their own advantage. if you aren't capable of multitaskig stick to a MP game.

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anomandaris, I'm confused as to why you jumped on Okaros for voting Tiam. Are you just trying to get a better explanation of his vote, or do you honestly believe that he was jumping onto an easy target? I think fener or possibly eloth would be easier to lynch today than Tiam, since Tiam didn't say anything day 1.

@Alkend - I kind of agree with what Barghast was saying with his vote. He was suspicious of Tiam because he did a near drive-by vote. At least you and I were around do discuss things both on day 1 and day 2. Although Tiam has been more active today, it is kind of odd that it only happened once he started getting some pressure. I maintain that his 'lets all reveal our VC's' was a foolish move. I don't see anyone with interesting or odd VC's doing that this early in the game. I would also like to hear why you think Kalse is not a cultist? I've seen nothing from you really agreeing with him or anything... In fact I can't remember a whole lot of what Kalse has been saying or doing.

Read kalse's posts, they just seem too laid back and careful. A cultist wouldn't go against 8 people voting for someone and say, "i think a no lynch would be better than a lynch", also just after we got the cf on merrid his comment struck me as a frustrated town, high up though, i think kalse is high up in either trumpet ump or umpc

i see what you mean about tiam now, maybe i needed it clearing up a little, that last post by tiam seemed very townlike though, and it made a lot of sense

Regarding Kalse fair enough. I certainly get the 'rolled' vibe from him. As you noted, very thoughful and careful posting.

You will notice I have not voted for Tiam. I'm not sure of Tiam myself. He just seems 'off'. Either his game just rubs me the wrong way, but Ive got something suspicious about him I just can't identify right now. Maybe it is just because he voted for me while doing what he accuses me of?

I'm hoping Serc will come back soonish and start playing so we can vote off someone we are suspicious of instead of a lowposter

i would like to amend the above and remind you that i was posting long before anyone turned heat onto me at the start of day 2. furhtermore, even with the heat, i have been trying to add thoughts as to our situation in this four faction (not two) war. perhaps you would like to ask me about your suspicions directly? i'm all ears.

i also am starting to wonder about your attachment to hoping Serc will speak up. i've notice everytime he pops on you say you are waiting to hear from him, and even now you seem guarded about anyone voting for serc. i know this a similar arguement to day 1, and am hesitant to switch my vote off you, but i must confess that alkend had a good point in the fact that serc, for all his "wait for me i'll get to posting in a sec" he doesn't follow through.

so first, since you have moved to a higher profile (albeit a still antagonistic without saying much role, e.g. "fishy" "rubs me the wrong way" "supiscious"), i think i will stand back from my argument that you are a leader and

Remove vote


for the time being, though i am still watching closely. as for serc, i believe we now have a little over 4.5 hours to go. if it will help him get going, i will move my vote to him (worked last time someone voted for him) and watch closely for the rest of the day

Vote serc

i won't hesitate to switch back to you though d'riss. so perhaps explain a little your fascination with serc and his lowposting when we have about 3-4 others who could be given a similar rep

edit: vote wasn't bolded

is that a slip up?

there's 2 other factions. surely, you'd want your own faction to skate by?

anyhow, as it's been pointed out before, it's not good strategy. it's far too early for factions to be willing to share info, as this will undoubtedly cause a revealfest. made all the more complicated by us not being able to explain our roles.

[Gamelon]

Sorry about my absence. I caught up on thread a little bit last night, but I was so wasted from a ridiculously busy day that I didn't feel I understood what was being discussed enough to say anything coherently. Now I'm awake and have re-read/caught up and here are my thoughts.

After I left, Tiam came on and responded to my last post about where I mentioned him. Barghast responded to Tiam, pretty much how I would have

Barghast, on 15 June 2011 - 05:29 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

yeah, i was of the mind that just getting that first lynch on day one and was waiting for the start of a consensus, plus i thought fener's adamance was intriguing, so i decided to prod that situation a little.

after that, it was just a pissing match between fener and eloth, and so i just waited out that nasty little storm observing closely (figured I had voted and unless there was some argument to convince me of merrid's innocence, which he didn't seem to interested in espoucing, i would just hold my thoughts until they were worth something with a day and night past, hence the timing of my previus post)

i thought the arguement pettered out because fener got sick of ranting. whatev

Ok, so you were waiting around for the first thing that looked like a lynch and voted for it, then lurked while other people were taking the focus onto themselves? If this was a normal game you would pretty much have admitted to being scum - I know this a faction game, but seriously?

vote Tiamatha

I was suspicious of your vote yesterday as you seemed a little too willing to just go with whatever was available. Someone else noticed the same thing and called you on it and your response just screams scum to me.

Now for me, it's not the essentially admitted lurking that bothers me, it's actually the first part that's eyebrow raising

Quote

i was of the mind that just getting that first lynch on day one and was waiting for the start of a consensus

I know I said during the Fener/Eloth argument that day 1 usually ends up a shot in the dark - but it still shouldn't mean the vote should be "anyone is ok" - you need to pay SOME attention to who wants to vote for whom, and who doesn't want to vote for whom. Not to mention, two votes with a good amount of time is hardly a concensus.
Where I don't agree with Barghast is his assertion that cult will play like scum. I think it's fair to think of them as scum, but in a faction setting I don't see them playing a particular way. Hell, real scum usually don't 'play like scum', otherwise Mafia'd be easy.


This post caught my eye, simply because I don't know what kalse has done to not be cult. Kalse has sounded pretty intelligent, but hasn't really contributed enough (for me at least) to get a read on him and D'riss comments to the same effect.

Alkend, on 15 June 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

for me so far i am icnlined to think that tiam and kalse are not cult, to me they make sense and do not ping anything that makes me think they could be. only recruitment can make me think differently but for now as of today i do not think that they are.

The target that seems to be heating up is Serc - only because he's a low poster? With all of the discussion on thread, as well as a smattering of votes going every which way giving information, going after a low poster on day 2 seems an odd choice.

I'll add some more in a bit, but I'm out of time and have to head out the door to work but I'll be back on before deadline.