[Okaros]

ooh, double post stuter. funtimes

so, it appears we haven't really progressed anywhere.



as for winning conditions: seems obvious to me all humans want the aliens gone. most humans also probably want the Dragon gone.


as such, those are the targets we should all focus on, regardless of winning conditions.

[Barghast]

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

Barghast, on 15 June 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

Cult often play like scum early on in faction games since they are a small faction that everyone is going to go after on thread. So scummy and cult are close enough in my head that I'll throw a vote out on someone who's playing like a traditional scum. It was a bit of weak move, but hey, it was worth seeing what the reaction would be. Maybe it has nothing to do with my vote, but the sudden need to look like a Trumpet player (or fish for info in a big way - I agree with D'riss's analysis of the situation) means I'm actually quite happy leaving my vote where it is for now.

This really doesn't reconcile. Trying to look like a Trumpet player and playing like scum would hardly be the same thing, given we've just killed 2 Trumpet players.

Even with multiple winning conditions, do we really want to risk eliminating a faction entirely early on in the game? With Trumpet being two down they would appear to be the least dangerous and therefore the best place to hide.

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

If you think my discussion gave you a clue as to my faction then feel free to make a case based on it if you think i am in a rival faction to yourself. I myself am not worried about discussing things on thread. Tiam ignored two teams in such a way that it was clear he had no idea about anything to do with them (clearly didnt read the op) and was therefore either lying or is genuinely not in them. By calling them out on it straight away and avoiding all discussion its therefore just as likely barghast is umc or umpc which is equally bad play imo.

A lot of feners posts where because of the arguing yesterday.

I think you misunderstood me - I'm not so much concerned with which faction people are appearing as, but more that they are trying to appear to be from a specific faction. It's a bit early for play like that. You're welcome to assign my actions to whatever faction you like, I wouldn't do anything this early on that I thought would give my faction away

[Serc]

Karatallid, on 15 June 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

You talking to me or Ano? Because the second quote is from him. I didn't speculated about winning conditions at all so far.

Shh, you saw nothing.
Fixed it before you posted anyway.

And with that, I'm going to bed. Goodnight all!

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

[Kalse]

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 June 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:

theres no scum in this game

really?

evil aliens trying to tak eover humanity don't count, then?

back and catching up, btw

In real life, or a meat-and-potatoes game, sure. In a Mafia four-team game, they're just another faction, albeit the one the other three have to worry most about.

[Kalse]

Fener, on 15 June 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

most people just went with him because he was the only viable lynch.

Weather Merrid was cult or not is irrelevant and im not sure why you bring it up?

The whole "only viable lynch" thing became a self-fulfilling prophecy once Eloth switched his vote. If he could have talked over one person already voting for you, it would have evened up the vote-count on you and Merrid (3 each). Instead, he switched from you to Merrid (putting 5 on Merrid), thus ensuring momentum on that train.

The fact that Merrid turned out to not be cult was, I thought, fairly relevant. I made that point on Day 1 - random voting was the worst possible way to attack the cult. Fortunately, one of them were taken out at Night anyways, even if that NK left us with no clues (that I've seen yet) to follow down to someone else.

[Tiamatha]

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 June 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

hmmm... based on this post its fair to assume you arent UMPC or UMC... at least that is what you are putting out.
And ofcourse no one will claim to be cult...

So you are trying to pretty much come out as a trumpet crew member then?

interesting

Yeah, kinda seems like Tiam is making a stupid move here, isn't it? If he's UMC or UMPC, then why bring them up when they're not even being discussed. If he's cult or trumpet, well he just made himself look like he's either cult or trumpet and we're bound to try and wipe out the cult and/or beat on the trumpets while they're down anyways, so not helping himself there.

It is, however, possible that he is UMC or UMPC and knows something the rest of us don't know that has poked him into trying to learn more about the other UM(P)C faction that he is not in.

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

Barghast, on 15 June 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

Cult often play like scum early on in faction games since they are a small faction that everyone is going to go after on thread. So scummy and cult are close enough in my head that I'll throw a vote out on someone who's playing like a traditional scum. It was a bit of weak move, but hey, it was worth seeing what the reaction would be. Maybe it has nothing to do with my vote, but the sudden need to look like a Trumpet player (or fish for info in a big way - I agree with D'riss's analysis of the situation) means I'm actually quite happy leaving my vote where it is for now.

This really doesn't reconcile. Trying to look like a Trumpet player and playing like scum would hardly be the same thing, given we've just killed 2 Trumpet players.

My fear is that he is Amnion and trying to look like a trumpet. The rest of us won't be too worried about trumpet right now, since they are down 2 players, and it might be a good place for a cult to try and hide. Of course, you must take my thoughts with a grain of salt since Tiam is apparently trying to deflect onto me.

@PS - We know. Try and keep up

Well if he is cult it's a stupid move, but he hasn't really shown much brilliance so far this game anyways...

i'm not sure i like your tone anom. i'm bringing up speculations to get past the scum/town thing some seem stuck on. also, i;ll have all note that i could be any of those factions, considering that the first two i brought up, umpc and umc, seem opposed to each other and to bring up just one of those two would be incredibly suspicious, or fishy as barghy might say

i'm just not altogether sure what people are using as their basis for a lynch? i'm going after d'riss currently because he seems to talk a lot without providing very many fresh perspectives. i am guessing that gives him a potential place as a captain, and since it's right now either people are gunning for cult or leaders, i feel like leaders may be more distinct than cult (esp. if there are converts now among us in addition to the one recruiter we suspect)

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

ooh, double post stuter. funtimes

so, it appears we haven't really progressed anywhere.



as for winning conditions: seems obvious to me all humans want the aliens gone. most humans also probably want the Dragon gone.


as such, those are the targets we should all focus on, regardless of winning conditions.

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

this is kind of funny. so what would you have me do okaros, hide in the background like you providing oh so insightful comments like the one quoted right before your vote? [/sarcasm]. but really let's just sit back and debate the current hot topic, whether im scu..i mean...cult or trumpet since that seems to be the only options.

so first, cult. we assumed that there were maybe two cult people (who knows but for the sake of this argument, let's stay with it). we got one of the bastards and now there will be one left, and that has to be the recruiter if there is only two original cults. now, if the recruiter was active, there is one more cult with us. i assume both are lying low now to let numbers build (but hey maybe not!!! maybe the recruiter or new amnion is not so "brilliant" like me)

second, trumpet. if I am trumpet, then there is a high possibility that my team is decimated. don't think the trumpet captain is down, but who knows. also, i expect captians to either lay low or keep there noses clean, something obviously not being done by me. so crew then. if i am trumpet crew, then killing me wastes more time that amnion can use to build ranks and distracts from discussing the other factions, which are probably sitting fat and hppy that nothing is coming there way as of yet.

so that's how i see it right now. maybe i'm too candid and stupid, but really, how else am i to figure out objectives and faction loyalties? keep lynching and hope i get lucky? first day strategy maybe, but kind of a lame game for the rest. there said my peace, gotta get back to work. see you before the day is up (how long do we have?)

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 8 hours and 47 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Serc, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for D'riss ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Tiamatha ( Barghast )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Serc

[Alkend]

here and catching up, just read that last post and tiam makes sense. going back a few pages but i am around for a while

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 45 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Serc, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Serc ( D'riss )
2 Votes for Tiamatha ( Okaros, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Tiamatha )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anomandaris, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Serc

[Anomandaris]

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

What? How in the hell is that something cult would do?

Vote Okaros

Now, trying to jump onto what you may think is an easy target, throwing in a "that's what cult would do" to try and cement it and giving shit all for explanation, that's what a cult would really do

[Alkend]

Tapper, on 14 June 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 20 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Merrid ( Alkend, D'riss, Tiamatha, Fener, Eloth, Hood's Path, Barghast )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc

first thing i notice is that d'riss was early on in this lynch, i started it to get discussion going, fener blew his load which made me suspicious of merrid, what i'm thinking is (was this a ploy by fener to get merrid lynched). now people are pointing a finger at tiam because he was early on in the train, yet d'riss was also in there early on. Fener didn't have to drop his vote if he was against voting off a low poster, and yet now he is the top most poster out of everyone, it is like he wants to please the masses by posting a lot but only because he was hiding to begin with. after fener it was inevitable that merrid was getting lynched, the people after this didn't have much time to get a train going on anyone else.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 36 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Serc, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Serc ( D'riss )
2 Votes for Tiamatha ( Okaros, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Okaros ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Alkend, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Serc

[Alkend]

i'm still reading through...

[Alkend]

Ruse, on 14 June 2011 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well that was fun reading. Nothing like a heated discussion on the differences of day one lynches to get a lynch. I found the discussion more interesting then the train. It seemed that the perceived connection between fener and merrid was pretty minimal. I actually found eloths and Alkends combine drive to have more in common.
I guess we are waiting on the nights resolution. Oh well.

trying to take heat off fener anyone? cult knowing cult and all that, subtely done, ruse didn't know he would be targeted that night did he?

[Alkend]

for me so far i am icnlined to think that tiam and kalse are not cult, to me they make sense and do not ping anything that makes me think they could be. only recruitment can make me think differently but for now as of today i do not think that they are.

[Okaros]

Anomandaris, on 15 June 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 June 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I don't like this fishing.
it strikes me as somehtng cult would do.



vote Tiamatha

What? How in the hell is that something cult would do?

Vote Okaros

Now, trying to jump onto what you may think is an easy target, throwing in a "that's what cult would do" to try and cement it and giving shit all for explanation, that's what a cult would really do

oh, and you think human faction players would want to confuse us, and diversify targets?
look, I don't know everyone's wiiing conditions, obviously, but i'm willing to make an educated guess that win conditions for all 3 "human" factions revolve around eliminating the Amnion. Call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure no humans would want the aliens to win.

as such, i'm pretty sure that should be our first priority. I don't see why we should get sidetracked form that.

[Alkend]

Right rather than do each post individually i've got a couple below that i want to mention..

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

yeah, i was of the mind that just getting that first lynch on day one and was waiting for the start of a consensus, plus i thought fener's adamance was intriguing, so i decided to prod that situation a little.
after that, it was just a pissing match between fener and eloth, and so i just waited out that nasty little storm observing closely (figured I had voted and unless there was some argument to convince me of merrid's innocence, which he didn't seem to interested in espoucing, i would just hold my thoughts until they were worth something with a day and night past, hence the timing of my previus post)
i thought the arguement pettered out because Fener got sick of ranting. whatev

This is the same as what I did, i could have threw some comments into the mix but my vote was already down and i wanted to see what everyone else thought. i'm sorry to see merrid go and would have preferred it to be one of the other two mentioned now that I have seen who merrid was, his ability may have benefitted everyone who wasn't cult.

I keep thinking serc is hidden away somewhere but i'll get to him in a minute, and Fener did look like he was covering merrid, i just don't get his enormous post count as opposed to the first 24 hours where he hardly said a word...

Barghast, on 15 June 2011 - 05:29 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

yeah, i was of the mind that just getting that first lynch on day one and was waiting for the start of a consensus, plus i thought fener's adamance was intriguing, so i decided to prod that situation a little.
after that, it was just a pissing match between fener and eloth, and so i just waited out that nasty little storm observing closely (figured I had voted and unless there was some argument to convince me of merrid's innocence, which he didn't seem to interested in espoucing, i would just hold my thoughts until they were worth something with a day and night past, hence the timing of my previus post)
i thought the arguement pettered ot because fener got sick of ranting. whatev

Ok, so you were waiting around for the first thing that looked like a lynch and voted for it, then lurked while other people were taking the focus onto themselves? If this was a normal game you would pretty much have admitted to being scum - I know this a faction game, but seriously?

vote Tiamatha

I was suspicious of your vote yesterday as you seemed a little too willing to just go with whatever was available. Someone else noticed the same thing and called you on it and your response just screams scum to me.

why suspicious of him as opposed to other players on the lynch train? why not me or d'riss who started the damn thing? wasn't you also on the train? if you didn't agree with it then why did you put a vote down? Kalse made some sense about not voting and he stuck with it, i also thought of the reason for not voting, but then i thought that it would just give cultists a pass on day one, i didn't know we'd get lucky night one and nor did 8 other people...

Fener, on 15 June 2011 - 08:10 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

yeah, i was of the mind that just getting that first lynch on day one and was waiting for the start of a consensus, plus i thought fener's adamance was intriguing, so i decided to prod that situation a little.

after that, it was just a pissing match between fener and eloth, and so i just waited out that nasty little storm observing closely (figured I had voted and unless there was some argument to convince me of merrid's innocence, which he didn't seem to interested in espoucing, i would just hold my thoughts until they were worth something with a day and night past, hence the timing of my previus post)

i thought the arguement pettered out because fener got sick of ranting. whatev

erm...so you admit to lurking?

how can you say this? like i said yesterday, there are many people online that are not posting, tiam was one of them yesterday but not today, yet today there are still people who are lurking...

D, on 15 June 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

DId you guys know that Serc is alive and has like 5 posts total?

ta da, someone else thought of what i was thinking throughout the day...

D, on 15 June 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

Going to drop a vote on Serc, to see if we can find some participation.
Vote Serc

well we will see if he was one of the lurkers, or he'll just pretend to have been busy all day...

Fener, on 15 June 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

Kalse, on 15 June 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 June 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

nope.. there are a few peeps who think we did it on purpose

I wouldn't say that I really think you and Eloth are collaborating as members of the same team - I doubt you're both cultists, or the cult would start larger than is reasonable - but you both changed your votes to the same person in short order for weak or non-existent reasons. After arguing for pages with each other. And the person you changed them to was not a cultist.

i dont see what your point is tho... allot of people voted for merrid for next to no reason.
actually our reasons where arguably better then most.

I did it to show that i am not "symping" merrid.
And Eloth did it becuase i could have been symping Merrid

most people just went with him because he was the only viable lynch.

Weather Merrid was cult or not is irrelevant and im not sure why you bring it up?

okay fener makes sense here, but it would have looked better if he was symping merrid, now it looks as though he'd prefer to just vote someone off to save himself and make himself look clean, your fishy because of your reactionary posts, you seem to have picked one tactic that wasn't working and then dramatically changed it around. you didn't agree with the merrid vote for like a hundred posts but yet you voted for him anyway, and yes i know i exaggerated

Serc, on 15 June 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Reading to catch up now...

my my, here he is. 20 minutes it took him..

*la dee da i am out of the spotlight la dee da, oh wait did someone just mention my name, er*, "online just catching up"

vote serc

i am thinking he is a good choice to be cult, if not then i'd look at what other people are saying and maybe vote along with them as my day one "feeling" turned out to be wrong

[D'riss]

Back before bed, let me read.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours and 59 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Okaros, Serc, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Serc ( D'riss, Alkend )
2 Votes for Tiamatha ( Okaros, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Okaros ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Serc