[Fener]

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

[Fener]

Karatallid, on 14 June 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

I'm back.

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

I initially berated alkend for going after low posters (wich included myself at the time wich was ignored).
Some people seem to think my not liking the low poster vote and also having a go at Eltoh is supposed to be me trying to protect Merrid somehow.

wich in turn makes merrid my leader or something like that.

edit - duplicated sentance + added the last one too

At the point where Alkend tossed his vote almost all players where low posters. Did someone had more than five post at that point?

I dont know...he singled myself, serc and merrid out for that reason though...maybe you should ask him why we where so special then?


and besides... that was half the point...it was too early to go after low posters!!


edit - removed irrelevant quote + added last line

This post has been edited by Fener: 14 June 2011 - 02:53 PM

[Fener]

Hood, on 14 June 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Holy cow Fener. The way you are ranting and going off how can anyone not think you are trying to protect Merrid. Makes me also think that Merrid might be a power position too. The question is which power position?

what can i say...i took exception to eloth continuously trying to "teach" me how to play a faction game

[Merrid]

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more?

I have?


I'm not really sure on what I should say, the issue here seems fairly pointless, it's just Eloth and Fener snapping at each other at the moment. Personally, I'm not reading too much into Fener's reaction about Eloth's reasoning, I don't think there was much of an ulterior motive beyond self-preservation, as he was mentioned in Alkend's post I believe. Now it's ballooned into a more general argument about how we should play Day 1, and it hasn't really gone anywhere (although it seems the tide is turning in my general direction for lack of anywhere else to go, which is...not ideal for me ).

EDIT - added some stuff for clarity

This post has been edited by Merrid: 14 June 2011 - 03:02 PM

[Fener]

Well it wasnt intended to happen that way.
I really just didnt like the fact he used low posting as a reason.

seemed lazy.

I mean i have barely started playing...and someone is already going after me and otherse for low posting.
Its ridiculous.
Then another person starts backing him up with some crappy reasoning, what am i to do?...shut up?

Im sorry that it makes you look bad merrid, but if i see that Eloth looks like he doesnt seem to mind who he votes, and didnt seem to try and want to find who might or might not be on his team.
Well...im going to point it out. I felt that a cult member could have that type of attitude so thats what i went with.
I could have easily just shut up and it more than likely would have gone away...but what would the point of that be?


edit - fkn typpos

This post has been edited by Fener: 14 June 2011 - 03:11 PM

[Eloth]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

When we started talking I had three posts and you had two and we were middle to top of the post count. Saying that a lynch would be luck (my words) or random (your words) on day 1 when the majority of people havent posted isnt trying to run a game by lynching off low posters its simply stating a fact. Even now 90 % of those playing have less than ten posts, any chance of determining a players faction based on a scattering of posts is very low and totally dependant on them either making mistakes or placing clues in their posts. I honestly do not know where you are getting your anger from as regards my opinion on voting off a low poster. Especially when i was waiting for people to show up and hadnt even actively pushed against a specific player.

[Hood's Path]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:07 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:

well i should be on for a couple of hours - nice catch on that fener random quote. I had just thought he had confused me with alkend, seems he has confused me with himself

I was pointing out that the thread was heading in that direction....NOT that i thought we should lynch randomly.

At least i am placing a vote on someone based on some fucking substance!

vote fener

plain irrationality, needlessly aggressive behaviour and seemingly trying to frame merrid by jumping to their defence in absentia. To say you are twisting my words into something else entirely wouldnt do justice to the drivel you are spouting.

well....since i was on the same list along with Merrid...i find it amusing everyone thinks i was defending him.
I was defending myself as well.
And anybody else who had not had the time yet to get to the thread.

Then you decided to start arguing with me thats its ok to go for low posters halfway through day 1 because day 1 is always random.
I found THAT note worthy and felt if cult have any view its that they wont care who goes down, since they most likely know who are on their team.

You shout as much as you like about the low poster vote made by alkend...even though that was a minor point.
You can say as much as you like that i was defending Merrid or watever...But it wont make it true.

The fact still remains that you are very liberal with your lynch target and seem to not care who gets lynched.
Wich for me falls more inline with what a cultist would be thinking.
THAT...is the point i am making.

IF people would just forget about bloody Merrid for one second...and look at what Eloth thinks anbout day one maybe they will graso at what my point has been the entire time.

No this crossed my mind as well but you weren't even voted for a lynch. I think the aggression in your posts comes off as off putting and it definately seems like you are trying to protect more than just yourself when the list of low posters gets presented.

On the other hand I like your point that Day 1 shouldn't be just thought of as a random vote and that there should be some discussion as to who should go. Regardless I think it's time to

remove vote

[Fener]

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

When we started talking I had three posts and you had two and we were middle to top of the post count. Saying that a lynch would be luck (my words) or random (your words) on day 1 when the majority of people havent posted isnt trying to run a game by lynching off low posters its simply stating a fact. Even now 90 % of those playing have less than ten posts, any chance of determining a players faction based on a scattering of posts is very low and totally dependant on them either making mistakes or placing clues in their posts. I honestly do not know where you are getting your anger from as regards my opinion on voting off a low poster. Especially when i was waiting for people to show up and hadnt even actively pushed against a specific player.

UGGH....yes but you where saying it was pointless even TRYING!

And why didnt you step up if you where also a low poster and wonder why you werent mentioned?
It makes even less sense to me that you would condone this when you are one of the very low posters that we where talking about.

I was saying that having that attitude is bad... you cant just slip into the old adage every game that "oh...day one is always random"
That then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy every single game if people have that semi defeatest attitude towards day one.

The fact that you where just resigned to let it be random and not even try to have a go at it and even argued against trying smacked to me of someone who damn well didnt care.

ie... cult.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 3 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Merrid ( Alkend, D'riss, Tiamatha, Fener, Eloth )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc

[Eloth]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

When we started talking I had three posts and you had two and we were middle to top of the post count. Saying that a lynch would be luck (my words) or random (your words) on day 1 when the majority of people havent posted isnt trying to run a game by lynching off low posters its simply stating a fact. Even now 90 % of those playing have less than ten posts, any chance of determining a players faction based on a scattering of posts is very low and totally dependant on them either making mistakes or placing clues in their posts. I honestly do not know where you are getting your anger from as regards my opinion on voting off a low poster. Especially when i was waiting for people to show up and hadnt even actively pushed against a specific player.

UGGH....yes but you where saying it was pointless even TRYING!

And why didnt you step up if you where also a low poster and wonder why you werent mentioned?
It makes even less sense to me that you would condone this when you are one of the very low posters that we where talking about.

I was saying that having that attitude is bad... you cant just slip into the old adage every game that "oh...day one is always random"
That then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy every single game if people have that semi defeatest attitude towards day one.

The fact that you where just resigned to let it be random and not even try to have a go at it and even argued against trying smacked to me of someone who damn well didnt care.

ie... cult.

Just because someone mentions something about you, you have got your knickers in a twist. I did do something fener and so did you, we discussed things and made this a fairly active day 1, so enough of the blustering. Discussing the fact that we have to vote off a low poster and trust in luck when the average post count is 5 or less doesnt make someone want to vote off at random its just going to be inevitable when the field is full of them.

[Liosan]

It's clear that Fener got a bit intense in that back and forth with Eloth but if Fener was really protecting Merrid, he wouldn't vote for him. With over half the necessary votes already the lynch could happen at any time and unless Fener is just up and sacrificing his teammate on day 1 to protect himself (which wasn't even really necessary), I doubt that he's protecting Merrid. Interesting that people are still coming to that conclusion after Fener's vote, though...

Merrid doesn't seem too concerned about the votes on him, given it's less than an hour to the end of the day...That in itself might get me to lay a vote down, since the Fener/Eloth spat is getting all the attention right now. Regardless, I'll be around till day's end.

[Hood's Path]

Well with less than an hour to go and no other votes out there I don't see this going any other way.

vote merrid

[Fener]

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

When we started talking I had three posts and you had two and we were middle to top of the post count. Saying that a lynch would be luck (my words) or random (your words) on day 1 when the majority of people havent posted isnt trying to run a game by lynching off low posters its simply stating a fact. Even now 90 % of those playing have less than ten posts, any chance of determining a players faction based on a scattering of posts is very low and totally dependant on them either making mistakes or placing clues in their posts. I honestly do not know where you are getting your anger from as regards my opinion on voting off a low poster. Especially when i was waiting for people to show up and hadnt even actively pushed against a specific player.

UGGH....yes but you where saying it was pointless even TRYING!

And why didnt you step up if you where also a low poster and wonder why you werent mentioned?
It makes even less sense to me that you would condone this when you are one of the very low posters that we where talking about.

I was saying that having that attitude is bad... you cant just slip into the old adage every game that "oh...day one is always random"
That then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy every single game if people have that semi defeatest attitude towards day one.

The fact that you where just resigned to let it be random and not even try to have a go at it and even argued against trying smacked to me of someone who damn well didnt care.

ie... cult.

Just because someone mentions something about you, you have got your knickers in a twist. I did do something fener and so did you, we discussed things and made this a fairly active day 1, so enough of the blustering. Discussing the fact that we have to vote off a low poster and trust in luck when the average post count is 5 or less doesnt make someone want to vote off at random its just going to be inevitable when the field is full of them.

You got it wrong...it wasnt a personal thing.
Yes i was mentioned.
But it was more the fact that laying the smack down on someone for being a low poster so early in the game is just stoopid!...and lazy.


Why it escalated was because of your defeatist attitude towards how we should approach day 1.
That its automatically always random. so whats the point then?

You keep saying everyone has 5 posts...but you couldn't know that the game wouldn't explode.
I suppose it wouldn't if everyone has the same mind set as you about day one.

But im done arguing with you.
wat ever.

Im going now... hope the day was informative and more interesting than what eloth would like it to be.
Day one need not be random, if we put in some effort.

im out for the rest of the day...
Cioa

[Kalse]

I hate trains on Day 1 low posters ... but that's because I invariably am one.

And because randomly firing away at someone in this game primarily benefits the cult, they're less likely than anyone to hit a team-mate.

[Liosan]

Kalse, on 14 June 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

I hate trains on Day 1 low posters ... but that's because I invariably am one.

And because randomly firing away at someone in this game primarily benefits the cult, they're less likely than anyone to hit a team-mate.

Agreed... it's only fun if you get to lynch them before they post. But really I do agree about voting low-posters; this early in the game, it's ineffective and lazy. On the other hand, we do need a lynch... but it looks like there's only one option on the table right now.

[Barghast]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

I initially berated alkend for going after low posters (wich included myself at the time wich was ignored).
Some people seem to think my not liking the low poster vote and also having a go at Eltoh is supposed to be me trying to protect Merrid somehow.

wich in turn makes merrid my leader or something like that.

edit - duplicated sentance + added the last one too

I meant more in terms of you eventually going after Merrid, but others have discussed this already.

Karatallid, on 14 June 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

I'm back.

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

Who would you like to go for? With 8 players on there is a chance to lynch someone else.

With less than an hour to go I'm not sure we will make anyone other than Merrid. It would be nice to put pressure on someone else, but there isn't really time. Like I said earlier I don't like the people who were talking about how little they knew about certain factions earlier (I think you are one of them), but it's not a case in and of itself. The other person who stands out is Tiamatha who dropped an early vote on Merrid and has all of four not-very-content-filled posts to it's name.



Also, my internet is busy crapping out in a big way (stupid wireless BS just dropped to EDGE, it's taken five minutes to load this page), so I'm going to vote Merrid now in case I can't get on again. As much as just going to random vote on day one is bad, a random vote is still better than none.


vote Merrid

[Kalse]

Liosan, on 14 June 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

Kalse, on 14 June 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

I hate trains on Day 1 low posters ... but that's because I invariably am one.

And because randomly firing away at someone in this game primarily benefits the cult, they're less likely than anyone to hit a team-mate.

Agreed... it's only fun if you get to lynch them before they post. But really I do agree about voting low-posters; this early in the game, it's ineffective and lazy. On the other hand, we do need a lynch... but it looks like there's only one option on the table right now.

Actually, cult-games are the exception to the "Must lynch on Day 1, even at random!" Rule, to my way of thinking, due to the numbers game. It's just that no one else ever agrees.

[Liosan]

Kalse, on 14 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Liosan, on 14 June 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

Kalse, on 14 June 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

I hate trains on Day 1 low posters ... but that's because I invariably am one.

And because randomly firing away at someone in this game primarily benefits the cult, they're less likely than anyone to hit a team-mate.

Agreed... it's only fun if you get to lynch them before they post. But really I do agree about voting low-posters; this early in the game, it's ineffective and lazy. On the other hand, we do need a lynch... but it looks like there's only one option on the table right now.

Actually, cult-games are the exception to the "Must lynch on Day 1, even at random!" Rule, to my way of thinking, due to the numbers game. It's just that no one else ever agrees.

Convince me!

[Kalse]

Liosan, on 14 June 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Kalse, on 14 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Actually, cult-games are the exception to the "Must lynch on Day 1, even at random!" Rule, to my way of thinking, due to the numbers game. It's just that no one else ever agrees.

Convince me!

The only faction that can possibly benefit from a Day One random lynch is the smallest, who have the most chipping away to do at their opponent's numbers, and are the least likely to get hit by that random Day One lynch. The smallest is most likely to be cult, who also have the long-term advantage of being able to increase their numbers.

A Day 1 lynch in a cult game should be based on someone slipping up. Which no-one has done.

[Tapper]

It is Day 1. 20 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Merrid ( Alkend, D'riss, Tiamatha, Fener, Eloth, Hood's Path, Barghast )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc