[Andorion]

LinearPhilosopher, on 26 May 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 May 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 26 May 2016 - 02:38 AM, said:

Why the hell are u watching FSN, its garbage. Fate zero is the only good adaptation in that franchise.

That looks like a prequel... is it any good? I don't really like this world that much

Its quite good

the protagonists are NOT whiny children and the participants are actively trying to kill each other. THere s also several glorious fights with highlights including a hijacked fighter jet battling it out with one of gilgamesh's artefacts, and a magic wielding assasin who uses firearms and explosions.
Or epic scenes like king arthur, gilgamesh and alexander the great all having a drink together and discussing what it means to be a king.

Once ur done with that feel free to focus on black laggoon and the OVA roberta's blood trail as well as berserk


In other news i've been rewatching episodes of claymore. Skipped the begining but watched the middle episodes

Its a pretty good show, terrible dubs aside. Claire is a true badass, underated as far as strong female leads go in anime, in fact its shocking how little mention is given to her in top x list. Likely due to the fact its an anime from the mid 2000s (around the time when anime was starting to hit larger audiences) and the manga continues the story.

Interesting question though

Top animes of the 2000s vs animes of the 2010s (so far) If we were to take the best of the best from each how would they compare i wonder.

That does sound far more interesting. Thanks!

[D'rek]

@Andorion - Yeah, it is a prequel, but that's okay. I watched Fate/Zero before knowing anything else about any of the Fate series, and it wasn't an issue at all.


@LP - there's a big distinction between "notable" versus "top". A lot of "top" shows, IMO, aren't all that notable. I'd could Mars of Destruction as very notable for 2000s, after all. There's waaaaaay too many anime that I haven't seen but have heard great things about, I don't know if I could actually put a list together that I'd be happy with.

[Mentalist]

@LP: my inner giant-robot adoring child is telling me that Gundam Seed and def. Gundam 00 should be on the 2000s list. Seed Destiny not so much.

[D'rek]

Alright, after some longer thought I'll take a crack at it. But I'm going to stick with the "notable" side of it, and also include a few shows that are especially notable in how bad or ill-reputed they are!

Of course, I'll certainly be missing plenty... e.g. I'm totally out-of-touch with the mecha genre so I don't know what Gundam/Macross/Gunbuster/etcs to put in here.

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2000s:


FLCL
Summer Wars
Redline
Hajime no Ippo
Cat Soup
Crayon Shin-chan: Battle of the Warring States
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Kaiba
Spirited Away
Azumanga Daioh
Kino's Journey
Monster
TTGL
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
FMA
Code Geass
Samurai Champloo
Baccano!
Gankutsuou
Clannad
Mars of Destruction
Aria
Mushishi
Nana
Gun Samurai
Death Note
Afro Samurai
Lucky☆Star
Sword of the Stranger
Ghost in the Shell 2.0
A Certain Magical Index


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2010s:

Katanagatari
Arakawa Under the Bridge
The Tatami Galaxy
Beyond the Boundary
Chu Feng
Concerete Revolutio
Lupin III Part 4 / The Woman Called Fujiko Mine
Kuroko no Basket
The Wind Rises
Madoka★Magica
Space Dandy
One Punch Man
SAO
Ghost Stories
Kill la Kill
Psycho-pass
FMA:Bortherhood
From the new world/shinsekai yori
Nichijou
Steins gate
Kids on the slope
Fate/Zero & Fate/Unlimited Blade Works
Attack on Titan
Kuromukuro
Shirobako




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Straddling both the 2000s and 2010s:

Gintama
Monogatari
Jojo's Bizarre Adventures
Evangelion Rebuilds
Precure

[LinearPhilosopher]

in regards to notable i think we can look at two kinds of shows, similar to movies theres a distinction between commercial success and critical success. In anime we could probably have a similar delination between critical success and popularity.

From that, how has anime as a whole changed (if it has a whole) what is different about popular shows now vs then, how does the high concept of the 2000s compare to the high concept of now.

@mentalist Gundam 00 id agree with, seed not soo much

This post has been edited by LinearPhilosopher: 27 May 2016 - 12:38 AM

[D'rek]

LinearPhilosopher, on 27 May 2016 - 12:37 AM, said:

in regards to notable i think we can look at two kinds of shows, similar to movies theres a distinction between commercial success and critical success. In anime we could probably have a similar delination between critical success and popularity.

I don't think "notable" needs to only be a matter of commercial vs critical success, though. I see it as neither, but rather as simply how much impact does it have on the industry and/or how well will it be remembered. A show can be a huge commercial success, but that doesn't guarantee people will still care about it 10 years later.

Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist are all very commercially successful long-form shounen series, and have certainly reached a level of popularity - not just when they aired, but long-lasting - where they will be remembered for a long time. Notable. Fairy Tale was also quite successful commercially, and pretty popular as it was airing... but I don't see it being all that well-known in another decade. Successful, but not notable.

And there's a lot of cases of shows that are good, but not particularly popular nor overwhelmingly commercially successful... but are still notable. Sakamichi no Apollon is neither popular nor did it have huge sales, but it still made an impact on the industry and will be remembered by at least some key members because of the collaboration between Shinichirō Watanabe and Yoko Kanno.

LinearPhilosopher, on 27 May 2016 - 12:37 AM, said:

From that, how has anime as a whole changed (if it has a whole) what is different about popular shows now vs then, how does the high concept of the 2000s compare to the high concept of now.

Computer Graphics have gotten a LOT better within anime, and are used a lot more for backgrounds, effects, etc in the 2010s now that there are tools and the experience to blend them with the traditional animation more seamlessly, whereas the 2000s were full of experimentation with CG and the lack of tools and experience lead to more discrete "now it's traditional animation, now it's CG" moments.

More "by the numbers" adaptations of crappy and generic light novels as a cash cow to support other works the Directors actually want to make for creative reasons, as fuelled by the LN explosion, a general increase in the number of studios and shows produced, and publishers tightening their budgets mid- and post-recession.

More waifu-baiting slice of life shows than in the 2000s.

[Nicodimas]

@ Re:zero.

OMG. nico this show is amazing.

but noooooo nobody talks about it. dwells on it. pays the slightest bit of attentions to this...

This anime is a winner. I am not sure why yet...cause it really hasn't delivered on anything yet..

but omg it's set up is pretty much perfect. so much fun.

To totally dissapoint..to totally win???

watch.

You will get the above statement once you watch.

[Maark Abbott]

RE:Zero is on my CR queue. I'm balls deep in JoJo (OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT) just now though and I plan to finish Stardust Crusaders Pt.II before I move on to anything else.

On the subject of JoJo (OH MY GOOOOOOOOOD) it's proving to be good fun so far. Phantom Blood was a bit short and ultra cheese, Battle Tendency was better with a lot more humour and of course Joseph (OH NOOOOOOO) is great as a protagonist.

Stardust Crusaders is still pretty cheesetastic, with the atypical 'look at my powers!' banter and characters constantly one-upping the other and then saying 'aha, you thought I'd fallen into your trap but actually you fell into my trap!', however in spite of that it has enough going for it to keep me interested.

[Mentalist]

wrapped up Gurenn Lagann last night- the last 7 eps in a single sitting.

Towards the end they completely lost the sense of scale.

Also lawl:

Spoiler

"So, evolution and the ability to change through reproduction is the key to the Spirals' progress"
"Say what?"
"LOVE CONQUERS ALL"
"Ohh!!!"

Nice epilogue, too.

[Maark Abbott]

Finished JJBA: Stardust Crusaders. That was fun, very good fun. It even lived up to the memes coming from the old fighting games, to boot (yes, we got a great big WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY just before ROAD ROLLER DA). Checked out the first episode of Diamond is Unbreakable (season 4) - thankfully Jotaro is still there, however I don't know what I make of the change in art style (the colours being used are kind of weird) and the protagonist is an unknown at this stage. I really don't like his design.

Checked out the first episode of RE:Zero. I have to say that I'm immediately taken by the fact the protagonist is genre-savvy (which always appeals to me). His reactions to being killed and respawning were also pretty entertaining.

[amphibian]

Mentalist, on 29 May 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

wrapped up Gurenn Lagann last night- the last 7 eps in a single sitting.

Towards the end they completely lost the sense of scale.

Also lawl:

Spoiler

"So, evolution and the ability to change through reproduction is the key to the Spirals' progress"
"Say what?"
"LOVE CONQUERS ALL"
"Ohh!!!"

Nice epilogue, too.

I truly enjoyed the abandoning of "scale" and how

Spoiler

Kamina meant something to everyone

, yet they found their own ways afterwards (which was still explored in the series).

[Mentalist]

I started sampling a bunch of other animes I've got on the immediate to watch list yesterday. My work schedule for this week suddenly cleared up somewhat so i'll probably continue doing that today. Then i'll give my initial impressions and ask for people's opinions.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Huge funimation sale going on atm

http://www.rightstuf...IMATION?page=17

For those in NA

[Maark Abbott]

RE:0 ep 2 & 3:

Yeah, this certainly has an interesting premise. Once the main character figures out that he respawns after dying, it not only leads to interesting situations and interactions with other characters, but it also leads to in-jokes. And I do love in-jokes. There's even fourth wall breaking, which is always a winner. The animation style is a bit cutesy but then the contrast of Elsa and what she enjoys doing to people comes in and you're like '...ah.'.

[Mentalist]

Here's a roundup of this week's samplings:

Black Lagoon- psychotic pirates in South East Asia, lots and lots of guns, Russian mafia. Oh, and nukes involved in some point in the story. Explosions! Drinking contest!

Darker than Black- neat Masquerade setting, unusual powers, and a conspiracy. Contractors and "dolls". I is curious

Deadman wonderland- that's pretty f*&$ed up. It's like Hunger Games, but with magic and really messed up

Ergo Proxy- very Blade Runner-esque, I am intrigued

FMA-interesting setting. Alchemy could be a neat concept. The main chars are acting a bit *too* childish for my liking tho.

Last Exile- Airships and Napoleonic warfare. interesting mix of drawing + CGI.

Noir- WTF??? That is all.

The Big O- interesting Noir/post-apoc/cyberpunky vibe. Then the giant robots show up. It's one of those rare occasions things seem to NOT be made better by adding giant robot.

Trigun- Slapstick Western. An odd combo, but somehow it works.

Currently leaning towards watching Ergo Proxy, then Last exile. Then I'll reconsider.

[LinearPhilosopher]

FMA:childish...

oh boy just you wait... Believe me its gets less light hearted as the show goes on.

Ergo proxy has a distinct tonal shift after a bit, i need to rewatch that show.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Mentalist, on 03 June 2016 - 02:32 AM, said:

Here's a roundup of this week's samplings:

Black Lagoon- psychotic pirates in South East Asia, lots and lots of guns, Russian mafia. Oh, and nukes involved in some point in the story. Explosions! Drinking contest!

Darker than Black- neat Masquerade setting, unusual powers, and a conspiracy. Contractors and "dolls". I is curious

Deadman wonderland- that's pretty f*&$ed up. It's like Hunger Games, but with magic and really messed up

Ergo Proxy- very Blade Runner-esque, I am intrigued

FMA-interesting setting. Alchemy could be a neat concept. The main chars are acting a bit *too* childish for my liking tho.

Last Exile- Airships and Napoleonic warfare. interesting mix of drawing + CGI.

Noir- WTF??? That is all.

The Big O- interesting Noir/post-apoc/cyberpunky vibe. Then the giant robots show up. It's one of those rare occasions things seem to NOT be made better by adding giant robot.

Trigun- Slapstick Western. An odd combo, but somehow it works.

Currently leaning towards watching Ergo Proxy, then Last exile. Then I'll reconsider.

Ergo Proxy is a good, deep-thinky anime. I'd encourage a binge watch, its tough to keep the story in perspective due to unusual pacing but its worth completing.

Last Exile wasn't my thing but I enjoyed the premise. Very good at Showing you story rather than telling. (atleast at a macro scale)

The Big-O is the only one on the list I didn't watch right through. I may give it another try just incase I'm missing something...

This post has been edited by Dolmen 2.0: 03 June 2016 - 02:53 AM

[D'rek]

Black Lagoon is great fun, highly recommended.

Darker than Black is good... but the conspiracies, mysteries, world-building, etc, might not be as complex or as well-developed as you are hoping for. The show tends to focus more on the 'now' and just on the events immediately surrounding Hei (the MC) rather than exploring the backstory in full.

I personally don't like Ergo Proxy at all. I found a lot of the philosophical musing in it to just be emo/angsty "look how deep I am" without any real substance or purpose. But a lot of people disagree with me there.

FMA - The main characters are indeed definitely childish, though they get more serious as it goes on. You'll also have to decide between FMA and FMA:Brotherhood. Most people would recommend Brotherhood as the better production and it follows the same story as the source material... however, Brotherhood was sort of made with the expectation that most viewers would have seen the original series so the first 8 or so episodes rush through a ton of events that the original did at a slower pace. Really, the best way to watch it might be something like watching the first 12 episodes of the original FMA and then switching over to Brotherhood.

Noir - hehehehe, yeah it's a bit... crazy. But it's good, too!

Both The Big O and Trigun are very much 90s shows. Similar to, say, Cowboy Bebop, they're 95% episodic thing-of-the-week but then have a big pseudo-overarching plot that gets major development at the end of each cour. It's probably pretty hard to get into either of them, now that we tend to consume anime so differently these days.

[LinearPhilosopher]

D, on 03 June 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

Black Lagoon is great fun, highly recommended.

Darker than Black is good... but the conspiracies, mysteries, world-building, etc, might not be as complex or as well-developed as you are hoping for. The show tends to focus more on the 'now' and just on the events immediately surrounding Hei (the MC) rather than exploring the backstory in full.

I personally don't like Ergo Proxy at all. I found a lot of the philosophical musing in it to just be emo/angsty "look how deep I am" without any real substance or purpose. But a lot of people disagree with me there.

FMA - The main characters are indeed definitely childish, though they get more serious as it goes on. You'll also have to decide between FMA and FMA:Brotherhood. Most people would recommend Brotherhood as the better production and it follows the same story as the source material... however, Brotherhood was sort of made with the expectation that most viewers would have seen the original series so the first 8 or so episodes rush through a ton of events that the original did at a slower pace. Really, the best way to watch it might be something like watching the first 12 episodes of the original FMA and then switching over to Brotherhood.

Noir - hehehehe, yeah it's a bit... crazy. But it's good, too!

Both The Big O and Trigun are very much 90s shows. Similar to, say, Cowboy Bebop, they're 95% episodic thing-of-the-week but then have a big pseudo-overarching plot that gets major development at the end of each cour. It's probably pretty hard to get into either of them, now that we tend to consume anime so differently these days.

agree with drek on ergo. It goes into all this philosophical stuff without actually understanding anything. Just comes off as trying too hard.

Also i hate how when talking fma vs fam brotherhood, they keep bringing up the same story as the manga.

SO WHAT?? that doesn't address the point in any way shape or form, that being, which one is better. Id honestly reccomend the original simply because of its shorter run time and more concise story thats just as if not more emotionally griping as brotherhood. Id also say certain character in brotherhood lived when their whole character and story it woulda made better narrative sense to dispose of them.

Not, simply x follows y story, so you should go with y. its not a demonstrative argument in the slightest.

This post has been edited by LinearPhilosopher: 03 June 2016 - 09:45 PM

[D'rek]

I'm just saying most people would recommend it because of that (and the arguably better production values, greater world-building, etc). To some extent, I think it's a valid point to make, too - if you're talking about a franchise with someone, you're more likely to be discussing the actual canon than a spin-off.

Ideally, I think it makes the most sense in that sort of situation to watch the real canon first, then watch the spin-off that changes things... but in FMA's case that happened in reverse order so maybe not.

Anyways, it's a decision Ment will have to make, if he ever watches one of them.