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Posted 21 June 2011 - 07:10 AM

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 20 June 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 20 June 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I would have liked to find out how Tehol's rule of Leth turned out. It was suggested in a chapter opener in DoD that it ended badly in the end, but the text was ambiguous.


the text is ambiguous, but seeing as how it was written by janath, it's possible that all the trouble a-brewin' just gets handled in the way tehol usually handles stuff. incorrigible good humour and an elder god best friend.

My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. If you think about it, his self-sabotage and full reliance on the McGuffin of Bugg means that after he dies (and after Bugg goes away), the monarchy likely ends. The Letherii would at that point be ready to transition to some form of democracy and no one person or group can assume the reins of the government since so much of it was run by Bugg and Tehol's genius/charisma.

It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 07:22 PM

View Postamphibian, on 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 20 June 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 20 June 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I would have liked to find out how Tehol's rule of Leth turned out. It was suggested in a chapter opener in DoD that it ended badly in the end, but the text was ambiguous.


the text is ambiguous, but seeing as how it was written by janath, it's possible that all the trouble a-brewin' just gets handled in the way tehol usually handles stuff. incorrigible good humour and an elder god best friend.

My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. If you think about it, his self-sabotage and full reliance on the McGuffin of Bugg means that after he dies (and after Bugg goes away), the monarchy likely ends. The Letherii would at that point be ready to transition to some form of democracy and no one person or group can assume the reins of the government since so much of it was run by Bugg and Tehol's genius/charisma.

It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!


good point... he was sort of raised by 'popular' acclaim. perhaps the 'Only' refers to him being the only king ever 'elected' by the people. i could definitely see him rearranging the government so that it could move forward as some kind of democracy.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 08:20 PM

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 21 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Postamphibian, on 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

...My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. ...It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!


good point... he was sort of raised by 'popular' acclaim. perhaps the 'Only' refers to him being the only king ever 'elected' by the people. i could definitely see him rearranging the government so that it could move forward as some kind of democracy.



i admit that i really like this interpretation, rep'd accordingly.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:42 PM

View PostAbyss, on 21 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 21 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Postamphibian, on 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

...My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. ...It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!


good point... he was sort of raised by 'popular' acclaim. perhaps the 'Only' refers to him being the only king ever 'elected' by the people. i could definitely see him rearranging the government so that it could move forward as some kind of democracy.



i admit that i really like this interpretation, rep'd accordingly.


OT, but this post made me think of the chapter in DoD that opens with a quote from a history written by Janeth that ends with the words "Clearly, something had to be done." Then the first line in the chapter is Tehol saying "Clearly, there's nothing to be done." I crack up whenever I read that - it's a ThisIsWhyIReadSE moment for me.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 03:31 AM

View PostCeda Cicero, on 21 June 2011 - 10:42 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 21 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 21 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Postamphibian, on 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

...My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. ...It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!


good point... he was sort of raised by 'popular' acclaim. perhaps the 'Only' refers to him being the only king ever 'elected' by the people. i could definitely see him rearranging the government so that it could move forward as some kind of democracy.



i admit that i really like this interpretation, rep'd accordingly.


OT, but this post made me think of the chapter in DoD that opens with a quote from a history written by Janeth that ends with the words "Clearly, something had to be done." Then the first line in the chapter is Tehol saying "Clearly, there's nothing to be done." I crack up whenever I read that - it's a ThisIsWhyIReadSE moment for me.


ok, first time i saw your new avatar cicero, and i just had to rep. that's flippin hilarious
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Posted 29 June 2011 - 01:40 PM

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 21 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Postamphibian, on 21 June 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

View PostSinisdar Toste, on 20 June 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 20 June 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I would have liked to find out how Tehol's rule of Leth turned out. It was suggested in a chapter opener in DoD that it ended badly in the end, but the text was ambiguous.


the text is ambiguous, but seeing as how it was written by janath, it's possible that all the trouble a-brewin' just gets handled in the way tehol usually handles stuff. incorrigible good humour and an elder god best friend.

My understanding was that Tehol simultaneously was the finest king in Letherii history and completely undermined the institution of the monarchy to such a point that there were no more kings. If you think about it, his self-sabotage and full reliance on the McGuffin of Bugg means that after he dies (and after Bugg goes away), the monarchy likely ends. The Letherii would at that point be ready to transition to some form of democracy and no one person or group can assume the reins of the government since so much of it was run by Bugg and Tehol's genius/charisma.

It fits completely with Tehol's ethos in my mind. Long live Tehol the Only!


good point... he was sort of raised by 'popular' acclaim. perhaps the 'Only' refers to him being the only king ever 'elected' by the people. i could definitely see him rearranging the government so that it could move forward as some kind of democracy.



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Posted 29 June 2011 - 06:13 PM

Personally I thought the 'Tehol the Only' just was a sort of self-confident forshadowing that Tehol would make sure no other king (Tehol) would ever rise the Letherii throne after him. In fact, I don't see it out of Tehol's league to turn the whole of Letherii into a sort of presidency by the time he's setting down from the throne. And I also wouldn't be surprised this was Tehol's plan from even before he became king, making sure he indeed could, according to his plan, claim he would be the only king Tehol of Letherii.

And I too love Tehol's emblems ;) I really rofled when they described the banner of the army: the three plucked chickens under the bed :p
Ah, sweet Tehol. A character I really never could get enough of, together with Kruppe and Iskaral. I for one cannot blame Mael for choosing Tehol as his mortal friend :)
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