[Goaswerfraiejen]

ergault, on 30 May 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

i spent 9 1000page books thinking the crippled gods destruction was the main plot...only to find 2/3rds the way thru the final book that his salvation was now our principal characters main objective....only to have that notion thwarted by said gods murder...typical erickson

My understanding--and I could be wrong--was that the CG needed to be killed to 'send him back whence he came'. Kinda like how Dancer and Kellanved had to die to ascend; we know from these two (and others, including Stormy's and Gesler's storylines) that ascending to godhood requires leaving behind your physical body, which usually means dying. The CG was torn from his seat as a god, and broken into pieces. Once they had a chunk of him back together again, they had to set the conditions for his re-ascension. Remember, he didn't just die because his body was hanging out on a hilltop and a Forkrul Assail army gutted him randomly; he died with his soul/some important aspect of him tied to the otataral and the jade of the Jade Strangers via Heboric and his fancy ghost hands. There are also a few brief discussions between Shadowthrone and Cotillion whose upshot is essentially that 'winning' is going to look to everyone like 'losing', but that that's how it has to go down.

[Kalem Mekhar]

I agreed with ergault at first because from the time the CG was introduced erickson made him out to be the ultimate villian of the series that needed to be stopped. Ganoes even gave him a place at the deck of dragons so he would have to play by the same rules as the other gods because he was too powerful unchecked and then at the end with him witnessing the marines fighting for him and appreciating it took the villiany out of it. But if u think about it Shadowthorne and Cotillion came off as villians in the first book as well, then in the last book the patron of assasins is getting emotional with Yil so I guess Erickson just showed there is a lot of depth to all the characters not just the heroes.

Goaswerfraiejen, on 30 May 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

ergault, on 30 May 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

i spent 9 1000page books thinking the crippled gods destruction was the main plot...only to find 2/3rds the way thru the final book that his salvation was now our principal characters main objective....only to have that notion thwarted by said gods murder...typical erickson

My understanding--and I could be wrong--was that the CG needed to be killed to 'send him back whence he came'. Kinda like how Dancer and Kellanved had to die to ascend; we know from these two (and others, including Stormy's and Gesler's storylines) that ascending to godhood requires leaving behind your physical body, which usually means dying. The CG was torn from his seat as a god, and broken into pieces. Once they had a chunk of him back together again, they had to set the conditions for his re-ascension. Remember, he didn't just die because his body was hanging out on a hilltop and a Forkrul Assail army gutted him randomly; he died with his soul/some important aspect of him tied to the otataral and the jade of the Jade Strangers via Heboric and his fancy ghost hands. There are also a few brief discussions between Shadowthrone and Cotillion whose upshot is essentially that 'winning' is going to look to everyone like 'losing', but that that's how it has to go down.

[Kalem Mekhar]

What made Sinn go from the young Mage Kalem found looking for her brother to megolmanic?

Migol, on 30 May 2011 - 08:57 AM, said:

ergault, on 30 May 2011 - 06:08 AM, said:

tavore was the other talon b4 the bonehunter regulars last battle she had lostara il help her with her talon pendant....the worst part about the ending 4 me was having sinn turn out to be the ultimate baddie....talk bout plotline 360...was like he had run outta thread and threw that 1 in at the last second

We never know -for sure- that Sinn was going to double-cross everyone and steal the heart. It's just a conclusion gesler and stormy made because she was so damned scary and inhuman. For all we know she mighta smiled and lobbed the heart up to the Shi'gal assassin after a nice Forkrul Flambe.

[worry]

The elemental fire godling in Y'Gathan, is my opinion.

[Sanctume]

The Virgin of Death was a nice twist. Is Grub really going to be First Sword someday?

[Kalem Mekhar]

What was Grub and where did he go?

Sanctume, on 31 May 2011 - 09:06 PM, said:

The Virgin of Death was a nice twist. Is Grub really going to be First Sword someday?

[worry]

A lack of Grub epilogue was a disappointment to me, one of the few that hasn't been assuaged by discussion here. I imagine he'd be the one most reeling from having to kill "innocents" ie the hypnotized cannon fodder humans. And one of the few who would empathize with Sinn, regardless of her descent. It just would have been nice to have his POV of the aftermath, which I think would differ sharply from many we do get.

[Kalem Mekhar]

I do agree with that in the aftermath of everything I don't recall him being mentioned, it would have been nice see see where he goes after he found out about Sinn!

worrywort, on 31 May 2011 - 09:17 PM, said:

A lack of Grub epilogue was a disappointment to me, one of the few that hasn't been assuaged by discussion here. I imagine he'd be the one most reeling from having to kill "innocents" ie the hypnotized cannon fodder humans. And one of the few who would empathize with Sinn, regardless of her descent. It just would have been nice to have his POV of the aftermath, which I think would differ sharply from many we do get.

[Hoods Breath]

Kalem Mekhar, on 31 May 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

I do agree with that in the aftermath of everything I don't recall him being mentioned, it would have been nice see see where he goes after he found out about Sinn!

Evidently he takes up sword fighting to take his mind off things.

[foolio]

Can we assume Draconus will indeed find and kill the Errant? God I hope so.

This post has been edited by foolio: 07 June 2011 - 08:12 PM

[Kanese S's]

foolio, on 07 June 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

Can we assume Draconus will indeed find and kill the Errant? God I hope so.

Oh my goodness, that would be great. I hate the Errant so much. Though it would be cool if Paran bitchslapped him, too.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

And don't forget that Opponn is on his trail, too.

One could almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

[HedgeWalker]

foolio, on 07 June 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

Can we assume Draconus will indeed find and kill the Errant? God I hope so.

Indeed - I was hoping for a Ganoes/Errant showdown, with the Master of the deck laying the smacketh down....but being Draconus'd is also a fitting demise for the Errant. Either way, some kind of fitting one-liner accompanies his demise in my mind; "Nudge this, bitch..." or some such...

In answer to the Thread - Unfinished story lines are a key factor in the enjoyment of the series. A smart friend once commented at disappointment felt with the Star Wars prequels; Not so much that the characters were bland, or the direction poor, but more because all the questions and myths posed and hinted at in parts IV, V & VI were answered and none more posed/hinted. It ruined his own interpretations conjured by his imagination, and put paid to any further discussion on the matter...

The fact that there remains scope to continue enjoying the characters, particularly in discussions enabled by this forum and with friends who are embarking/have enjoyed the series, serve to make the world of Wu ever richer to my mind....That being said, what's in my mind should for the most part remain exactly where it is for the benefit of all involved.

This post has been edited by HedgeWalker: 08 June 2011 - 11:39 AM

[foolio]

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"Nudge this, bitch..." or some such...

or "sometimes a sword of darkness through the top of the skull is all it takes."

[Binadas]

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I wish Corabb had a chance to confront Leoman one last time b4 th end
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I agree. I certainly had that wish too as Corabb died. Almost wondering ...what?.....no confrontation with Leoman? In a sense though it felt like Corabb completely pulled free of his role in Leoman/Shai'k's fiasco and died in glory for a worthy cause of his chosing. Tht being said I would not be surprised or disappointed if the Bonehunters, particularly those that fell at the Barrow (Marines, Heavies) ended up with a other worldy purpose somewhat like the case of the Bridge Burners.


Zeee-Chief

[Abyss]

I took Draconus' plotline to be closed, in the sense that, ironically, after his time in Dragnipur, he took on Rake's role as a sort of unaligned protector of the world.
He's by no means a nice person, but neither was Rake at all times, but in TCG we see Drac actively taking steps to move things away from destruction.

I didn't think Sinn became THE major baddie, but she did turn all kinds of crazy and represent a serious threat in a nihilistic sort of way.

According to a chapter opener in HoC, Grubb is supposed to become First Sword some day. Since he lost all his warren powers but seems to have gained a superb tactical command at the ripe age of ten or whatever, it's not unthinkable, especially given the whole 'he was created by the Chain of Dogs' thing.

The fact that the epilogue features Fid fishing on Malaz island suggests that the Bonehunters were able to return to the Empire at some point.

Paran having ignored Rel's commands to return from Aren, chances are the Host also returns to the Empire but Paran stays clear.


I would have liked to find out how Tehol's rule of Leth turned out. It was suggested in a chapter opener in DoD that it ended badly in the end, but the text was ambiguous.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Abyss, on 20 June 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I would have liked to find out how Tehol's rule of Leth turned out. It was suggested in a chapter opener in DoD that it ended badly in the end, but the text was ambiguous.

the text is ambiguous, but seeing as how it was written by janath, it's possible that all the trouble a-brewin' just gets handled in the way tehol usually handles stuff. incorrigible good humour and an elder god best friend.

[Kanese S's]

I still want someone to smack Mallick Rel around. I hate that guy, and it irritates me that he's now apparently in charge of the Malazan Empire.

[ergault]

Kalem Mekhar, on 24 May 2011 - 07:17 PM, said:

I just finished read The Crippled God and loved it like the rest of the series, but I am not sure if I missed some things or nothing was concluded but was wondering if anyone knows if there will be anything that wraps up any of the storylines that didn't really get answered like How did tavore know everything that she knew, what happened to Silverfox, why did Laseen let herself be cornered by Korbolo Dom and then killed, what happened to Tayscheen, is Karsa Orlong going to still get his army and destroy the world, Someone in the Bonehunters(cant remember who) was looking for another Talon like he was did he ever find him, who were all the remaining Talons, what happened to Toc the Elder and does the Host going back to the Malazan Empire to take claim of it? If I missed any of these answer please let me know!

tavore does say in crippled god that she spent 3 years in the untan archives studying everything she could on the forkrul assail

[ergault]

Goaswerfraiejen, on 30 May 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

ergault, on 30 May 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

i spent 9 1000page books thinking the crippled gods destruction was the main plot...only to find 2/3rds the way thru the final book that his salvation was now our principal characters main objective....only to have that notion thwarted by said gods murder...typical erickson

My understanding--and I could be wrong--was that the CG needed to be killed to 'send him back whence he came'. Kinda like how Dancer and Kellanved had to die to ascend; we know from these two (and others, including Stormy's and Gesler's storylines) that ascending to godhood requires leaving behind your physical body, which usually means dying. The CG was torn from his seat as a god, and broken into pieces. Once they had a chunk of him back together again, they had to set the conditions for his re-ascension. Remember, he didn't just die because his body was hanging out on a hilltop and a Forkrul Assail army gutted him randomly; he died with his soul/some important aspect of him tied to the otataral and the jade of the Jade Strangers via Heboric and his fancy ghost hands. There are also a few brief discussions between Shadowthrone and Cotillion whose upshot is essentially that 'winning' is going to look to everyone like 'losing', but that that's how it has to go down.

all good points...then who was the old chap in the rickety tent with smoking brazier that we 1st encountered in memories of ice...then subsequently in reapers gale...return of the crimson guard etc