[Blueiron]

I don't think he ever stopped being self serving. In fact I think the whole reason for the house of chains and all that was, at least in part, so that he could be so muh of a pain that the powers on Wu HAD to release him. They couldn't live with the danger he presented.

[HoosierDaddy]

Blueiron, on 04 November 2011 - 09:33 PM, said:

I don't think he ever stopped being self serving. In fact I think the whole reason for the house of chains and all that was, at least in part, so that he could be so muh of a pain that the powers on Wu HAD to release him. They couldn't live with the danger he presented.

I don't think he thought they'd ever release him. I think he did what most people in pain do which is lash out against pretty much everybody. A stranger from another world, pulled apart and broken from the process, is then further subjected to not only an eternal torment, but then worshipers who simply turn that torment into an eternal cycle from which there was no release.

There's a reason we don't hold insane people guilty for the crimes they commit, and I think Kaminsod is pretty much insane for all of the series. We get brief breaks in the insanity and we see to his core at times, but for the most part, he's just reflecting what the world has shown him: pain, anger, cruelty, and mis-justice.

[Abyss]

HoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

... for the most part, he's just reflecting what the world has shown him: pain, anger, cruelty, and mis-justice.

...and to an extent that may be related to the effect his worshippers have on him.

After all, once Fid and co are on the scene at the end, it's not like he's twirling his mustaches and trying to "Kill them all.". He even expresses regret. okay it's more like surprise but it's tinged with regret.

- Abyss, tinged with caffeine.

[Ceda Cicero]

Abyss, on 21 November 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

... for the most part, he's just reflecting what the world has shown him: pain, anger, cruelty, and mis-justice.

...and to an extent that may be related to the effect his worshippers have on him.

After all, once Fid and co are on the scene at the end, it's not like he's twirling his mustaches and trying to "Kill them all.". He even expresses regret. okay it's more like surprise but it's tinged with regret.

- Abyss, tinged with caffeine.

I mentioned this in my voluminous post on the front end of this thread, but I wonder if the "shift" in Kaminsod has to do with the fact that by book 10, most of the key players whose pain, anger, cruelty, and misjustice he's been reflecting have been removed from the board (Rhulad, Pannion, etc etc) and suddenly it's Tavore and the Bonehunters--in all their heroism, with their fundamentally compassionate motives--looking in the mirror.

What if the whole series is less about removing the Crippled God from the picture, and more about the Bonehunters journey to get into the House of Chains and, in so doing, fundamentally altering the Crippled God before sending him home?

[Abyss]

Ceda Cicero, on 21 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

...What if the whole series is less about removing the Crippled God from the picture, and more about the Bonehunters journey to get into the House of Chains and, in so doing, fundamentally altering the Crippled God before sending him home?

Nicely put and entirely plausible. by dedicating themselves to the CG, to the point of selfless death if need be, they probably cause at least part of his shift away from cackling evil.