[Path-Shaper]

Anomandaris HII Search:
10 + 6 = 16 > success

Hilarious he rolls a 10 when he doesn't need it... heh.

[Path-Shaper]

DKT is pleased thus far.

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

Psych challenger

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

These new abilities are awesome. The possibilities are endless!

D'rek is quite cheeky.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

Oh noes! We didn't get to imaginarily see a movie, oh woe is us!

D'rek is annoyed I made her "search" for the idol but let's face it... she doesn't realize the danger.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2011 - 05:34 AM, said:

You spend as much time searching before the challenge as you can, but you are unable to find the Hidden Immunity Idol. You are now at Poor morale.

You finally got around to this 2 minutes before giving me the idol...?

Ah well.

I haven't seen the show in a loooooong time, so: is there a point in the game in which the hidden immunity idols become useless? And if there is will we be told *before* that happens or will you suddenly spring it on us?

Ruse suggests a way to get Eloth involved in the fake idol.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

If you were Eloth, on who's conversations would you listen in? I think probably you and one of the Durezas.

The reward winners... amusing.

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tell me something i didn't know.

Millard Fillmore's 1850 State of the Union address lamented the high price of imported Peruvian guano.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

But can you tell us what drove up the price and why Peruvian guano was being used?

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 05:11 PM, said:

Sure.
Guano was an ancient fertiliser, highly priced by the US and made into something of an industry in Peru, where there was a lot of it to be found. Those who found a source of guano, could claim the land per a land act, so they did - and then drove up the price. Capitalism at work.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

And here I thought it was only a material component for a Fireball spell

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek talks about Roldom's strategy with Tapper.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

Okay, Karat's side of things has just proposed a really, really convoluted ploy where he will convince Tulas to use the hidden immunity idol (which apparently Tulas has) on me at council, but Karat will convince people to vote me instead of another Dureza and then the votes on me are negated so the Dureza votes on a Pensador eliminate the Pensador but it doesn't seem like any Pensadors were traitorous to the person who gets lynched so there's no bad blood for jury voting... or something vaguely like that...?

Anyways, I'm not exactly sure I want to depend on someone else not only having the immunity idol but using it on me at council... I'm not sure if you have heard Karat's plan or not, but I'd rather just have us all vote out Karat or Lio. I think it's in your best interests too, because Karat of course wants the Durezas to vote for either you, Tulas or Okaros. I've heard from Vengy about your plan and am in, so obviously Karat's targets are not an option.

So, would you rather vote Karat or Lio?

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

I'm connected to Karat and have been for a while and there is 0 chance I can manipulate him. Me and Liosan have been strangers all game long, so far. I'd prefer to take out the evil I know.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

Alright, Karat it is. Me and Merrid will spread word to the Durezas, you tell Tulas and Okaros.

Serc's alliance talks over trust and a plan.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

Karat's alliance is trying to setup with me (and through me with the rest of you) a really convoluted plan of him convincing Tulas to use the hidden immunity idol on me, then the Pensadors vote me and we vote one of Eloth, Okaros or Tulas in order to get rid of one of his rival Pensadors without it creating bad blood in the jury votes for him. It's overly complex and he's not exactly trustworthy, so I favour siding with Eloth, TS and Okaros in just straight up voting out Lio or Karat (but not the other guy because talking about him suppresses communication). Eloth's side seems pretty on-board with voting out one of those two.

According to the story I have told Karat, I am of course totally on board with his plan and have informed you (through the long chain of single-communications we have because we of course don't have Groupthink or more than one communication line between each of us ) all of the plan and that we're going to be voting for one of Eloth's 3. So if Karat or his two buddies ask, you are totally on board with it and we're planning to vote for Tulas.

In reality, I think we should vote for Karat or Lio.

Thoughts?

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Looks like things are looking up!

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

Which two pend guys do you think would be the best for us to drive apart? Im looking to spread some rather convincing lies. But im not sure who i should pit against who.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

Personally I would go with Kara and liosan. But that could be because I want to keep their other faction marginly intact till we out number them.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

I think we should go for Karat, since it seems he is masterminding the Karat-Ruse-Lio threesome. Take him out and Ruse and Lio will have to figure things out for themselves, which I think will fail spectacularly.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

Oh and Alk, if you go genius 2 I think you should read Eloth's vote for this TC. Tulas and Okaros will probably be voting however he is, so if we're going to get betrayed his vote will indicate it.

[Path-Shaper]

Venge working a side-deal with Tapper.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well Kara and his group must be feeling the pressure of to many pots on the boil. He suggested to serc that all of the remaining ponders vote for serc, and that tulas will give him a immunity idol. Which serc will then use, and the durza members will vote for you. Thus eliminating you while keeping karas hands clean.

All of which means that serc is now convinced that you are by far the more trustworthy. So now he is asking if we should continue to focus on voting for liosan or switch to Kara.

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well Kara and his group must be feeling the pressure of to many pots on the boil. He suggested to serc that all of the remaining ponders vote for serc, and that tulas will give him a immunity idol. Which serc will then use, and the durza members will vote for you. Thus eliminating you while keeping karas hands clean.

All of which means that serc is now convinced that you are by far the more trustworthy. So now he is asking if we should continue to focus on voting for liosan or switch to Kara.

Uff. As much as I dislike reading that, the smart tactic from your PoV is possibly to play along and vote me. It's no cost to you Dureza guys, after all. Kara is a survivor, level 4 if I am not mistaken. You might actually know what that means, I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a trick or two in his PM. I don't know what Lio is, so can't help you there. Of the two, I have a connection with Kara, so he's much less of a mystery than Liosan to me - Kara's hard to manipulate, tho.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Your kidding right.... Oh serc is going to play along with silencer but with your, tulas, and okaros help we will send either Kara or liosan home. Shit with out okaros we can still keep you and send one of them home.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:02 PM, said:

Well serc thinks that now would be a food time to remove Kara. Leaving liosan and ruse leaderless. You in on flipping the tables?

The other groupthink talks over strategy.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

Yes, I'm allied with Alkend and he is not a level 4 follower. He is a level 1 Follower / 2 Challenger / 1 Genius.

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

Serc's alledgedly in a bit of a panic regarding the idol-ploy. I fear that backfired and has the entire Dureza group unified.

Okaros, on 02 May 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

I think voting off Serc may be our best bet then? What are peoples thoughts?

Venge talks to Tulas about the "idol" and voting Karat.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Right now serc and the rest of the durza tribe want to vote off Kara. As he suggested a convoluted plan to serc that would ultamantly lead to eloth being lynched. It envolved Kara saying that the ponders would vote for serc, but that you would give serc your immunity idol and that the durza would vote off eloth.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:11 PM, said:

So how do you feel about flipping the table and voting off Kara.

Venge tells D'rek about the other team.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

Well eloth just told me that Kara is a level 4 survivor... And we know that ruse is a level 4 follower...

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

Well eloth just told me that Kara is a level 4 survivor...

Makes sense, though I wonder if he's been hiding it because they didn't always use him for endurance tasks in the first few days. Or maybe they just had a surplus of endurance-boosted players.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

And we know that ruse is a level 4 follower...

Which is why when we talk about voting him out during TC the conversation gets suppressed. He probably finds out about it, or about when we're voting for him or something along those lines since he knew when to use the idol and it *seems* no one told him.

Do you know of any other abilities they might have that we should change our behaviour for as a result?

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

None of the eloth, tulas, or okaros have dropped any hints as to abilities.

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 06:28 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

None of the eloth, tulas, or okaros have dropped any hints as to abilities.

Tulas Shorn is I think a genius since he did some very INT-favouring parts of challenges early on, but he might not of leveled straight up to 4.

[Path-Shaper]

To D'rek.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Your right I think that tulas said on the thread (thanks to your needling) that he was a lv 4 genius. I don't pay that much attention to the thread. It is for insulting people not much else...

[Path-Shaper]

From the Cadre groupthink.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 07:38 PM, said:

I think Serc may be the leader of the other side, so yes. If Serc wins immunity, who do we want to vote?

Liosan is bringing his own Genius up a notch.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Use my last two points to get Level 2 Genius.

Ment's taking off apparently.

Alkend, on 02 May 2011 - 08:07 PM, said:

genius me up to lvl 2.



and let's roar at Tulas Shorn.

Alkend, on 02 May 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

Also, you will hate me for not entioning this earlier, but tomorrow night i'm off to Cuba for a week with no Internet. it completely crossed my mind wrt to the game untill now

[Path-Shaper]

Vengey and Tat talk over the voting.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Kara approached serc and tried to convince him to have all of us vote for eloth will all of the ponders vote for serc. The catch would be that tulas would give serc the hi so eloth would end up going home.

How do you feel about voting off Kara instead of liosan?

Okaros, on 02 May 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I am thinking we have your 4 votes against their 5 votes, and my vote. I think I can convince one person to vote for Liosan which would make it 6 votes for Liosan and 4 for whoever. We need to think about this, i'm unsure about Kartallidad because I don't see him as a threat and think he would be more of an ally to me personally than Liosan for example.

Tat relays to Tapper.

Okaros, on 02 May 2011 - 09:05 PM, said:

What would you say to voting Liosan? I like your idea of going for a pensador then a dureza then a pensador then a dureza etc, what are your thoughts at the moment?

Vengey asks Tulas too, but he isn't interested.

Tulas Shorn, on 02 May 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

Not gonna happen - Serc is going to go next. Sorry man, but the entire group is together on this and I tried to sway them to vote off alkend. they all want to get Serc forst for being a leader, so serc has to go.

[Path-Shaper]

DKT's Sabo bonus is really kicking in... rolled for Okaros's roar and got Alkend.

Alkend (+2I,+1Solo,0M) = +3
Anomandaris (+1I,+6Sabo,+2M) = +9
Eloth (+1I,+2M) = +3
Karatallid (+1I,+1Coat,+2M) = +4
Liosan (+2I,+1Solo,+2M) = +5
Okaros (+1I,-1M) = 0
Merrid (+1I,+2M) = +3
Ruse (-1M) = -1
Serc (+1I,+3Lead,-1M) = +3
Tulas Shorn (+2I,+1Solo,0M) = +3

Leg 1
Alkend (+3) 50 | 9 + 3 = 12 | 38 | 9 + 3 = 12 | 26 | 5 + 3 = 8 | 18 | 4 + 3 = 7 | 11 | 9 + 3 = 12 | -1 > 3rd
Anomandaris (+9) 50 | 8 + 9 = 17 | 33 | 5 + 9 = 14 | 19 | 5 + 9 = 14 | 5 | 6 + 9 = 15 | -10 > 1st
Eloth (+3) 50 | 7 + 3 = 10 | 40 | 9 + 3 = 12 | 28 | 3 + 3 = 6 | 22 | 9 + 3 = 12 | 10 | 5 + 3 = 8 | 2
Karatallid (+4) 50 | 6 + 4 = 10 | 40 | 1 + 4 = 5 | 35 | 4 + 4 = 8 | 27 | 1 + 4 = 5 | 22 | 9 + 4 = 13 | 9
Liosan (+5) 50 | 5 + 5 = 10 | 40 | 4 + 5 = 9 | 31 | 8 + 5 = 13 | 19 | 9 + 5 = 14 | 5 | 9 + 5 = 14 | -9 > 2nd
Okaros (0) 50 | 1 | 49 | 7 | 42 | 9 | 33 | 7 | 26 | 3 | 23
Merrid (+3) 50 | 8 + 3 = 11 | 39 | 8 + 3 = 11 | 28 | 6 + 3 = 9 | 19 | 5 + 3 = 8 | 11 | 6 + 3 = 9 | 2
Ruse (-1) 50 | 3 - 1 = 2 | 48 | 5 - 1 = 4 | 44 | 9 - 1 = 8 | 36 | 7 - 1 = 6 | 30 | 3 - 1 = 2 | 28
Serc (+3) 50 | 1 + 3 = 4 | 46 | 9 + 3 = 12 | 34 | 3 + 3 = 6 | 28 | 6 + 3 = 9 | 19 | 5 + 3 = 8 | 11
Tulas Shorn (+3) 50 | 3 + 3 = 6 | 44 | 10 + 3 = 13 | 31 | 4 + 3 = 7 | 24 | 10 + 3 = 13 | 11 | 2 + 3 = 5 | 6

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 May 2011 - 11:45 PM

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Anomandaris (+1S,+6Sabo,+2M) = +9
Liosan (+2S,+2M) = +4

Ano (+9) 120 | 8 + 9 = 17 | 7 + 9 = 16 | 6 + 9 = 15 | 72
Lio (+4) 120 | 2 + 4 = 6 | 6 + 4 = 10 | 5 + 4 = 9 | 96

Ano (+9) 72 | 8 + 9 = 17 | 57 | 3 + 9 = 12 | 45 | 1 + 9 = 10 | 35
Lio (+4) 96 | 1 + 4 = 5 | 91 | 5 + 4 = 9 | 82 | 5 + 4 = 9 | 73

Ano (+9) 35 | 7 + 9 = 16 | 19 | 9 + 9 = 18 | 1 | 5 + 9 = 14 | -13 > wins
Lio (+4) 73 | 1 + 4 = 5 | 68 | 2 + 4 = 6 | 62 | 5 + 4 = 9 | 53

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 May 2011 - 11:55 PM

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Roldom wisely moving to the Groupthink to discuss the plan (aka Serc).

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:37 PM, said:

Serc, im discusing the plan in the grouptalk thing

He doesn't seem to know Eloth can listen in...

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:39 PM, said:

eloth can listen to other people conversations?

Roldom asks D'rek if she got the "idol."

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

did you get the idol?

Karatallid and Alkend talk over Liosan... and Serc.

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:48 PM, said:

by the way i dont no if you are aware but it seems level three leaders can listen in on other people conversations, so be carefull what you say

Alkend, on 03 May 2011 - 12:24 AM, said:

I hear rumours of people curious about voting Liosan. any substance to that?

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 12:36 AM, said:

the only thing i have heard from pensador about people voting for liosand is from liosan himself

aparently Serc has been telling Lio that im gunning for him, which isnt true.

as I dont like having my name in the mud, im thinking of going for serc this round and it looks like several other pensadors are thinking the same.

feel like joining us?

[Path-Shaper]

The Cadre Groupthink talks over the Serc vote.

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:46 PM, said:

but i dont think alkend is pally with dureza,

the only way the idol idea would backfire is if they listend to my conversation with ruse, or someone in this thread talked

I am in contact with serc and merrid, but i have been honest about that with serveral of you here already, quoting pm's vertabratium to show i have nothing to hide.

for example merrid has already came to me with the suggestion of a powerblock of him, serc, and me lio and ruse.

Id like to point out that merrid has since broken his allience with me.

do they have a level three leader?

Eloth...who are you listening in on?

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

i suggest we go for serc

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 12:33 AM, said:

alkend has just asked me about rumors of a vote against Lio, which suggests theres something going round, im going to ask him to join us and vote for serc.

As for me threatening to throw Lio under the bus to serc, Lio has been allied with me the longest why would i get rid of him to have serc ally with me?

[Path-Shaper]

I feel for Bent but I can't give away details like he's asking.

Tulas Shorn, on 03 May 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:

I want to use my 2 exp to go to level 2 survivalist - hopefully that will help in the end

Also is there only 1 hidden immunity idol? and if not go ahead and look for it. If there is only one, then no sense in looking for it.

Sorry about my absense in thread. i've been tring to pass this fucking stone and I am misserable.

Path-Shaper, on 03 May 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:

I can't really divulge the details about the idol, sorry. You have to tell me if you want to look for it.

I hope you feel better, dude, I can only imagine your misery.

Bent is asking Tapper if "now" is the time flip sides, but which side is Tapper really playing? Both?

Tulas Shorn, on 03 May 2011 - 01:17 AM, said:

Eloth, Merrid wants to out Karatallid tonight. I am considering doing so. but I want your input. I have a feeling that Liosan, Ruse and Kara brought in Alkend for the same reasons we brought in Venge.

If we vote off Kara now, we still have the numbers. right?

If we vote with them, we take out Kara, and still have a majority to take out, Serc, Ano, and Alkend.

We keep Merrid, take out Liosan and Ruse as planned. It would be the perfect time for this.

Let me know what you think.

The false info about Merrid is keeping him really safe right now, as well as Alkend's defense.

Alkend, on 03 May 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

hmm

I've heard from Merrid that there were plans to vote off Eloth?

Serc and Merrid are pretty tight, and I don't really want to backstab Merrid: he's had my back for most of this game.
my ideal backstab target was actually Ano, but the tosser had to go and win immunity. sigh

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 01:22 AM, said:

hes been a pain for you? well we cant attempt to discuss merrid, it shuts the comms down

we arnt current after merrid, just serc.

has there been some arguments in your camp?

Roldom wants to go idol hunting, but he's too late.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

Search for Hidden Immunity Idol

[Path-Shaper]

Bent tells Venge he's open to blindsiding Karatallid.

Tulas Shorn, on 03 May 2011 - 01:19 AM, said:

On second thought, let me talk to Eloth and he what he thinks. Keep in mind, if we take out Kara, then we take out the rest of your team together. Let me know what you think. Note - this only works if Eloth agrees to out Kara.

Merrid, on 03 May 2011 - 01:50 AM, said:

That is fine.

Venge wants to rant heh.

Merrid, on 03 May 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

Middle of the road. Well yes I am trying... Keeping my dumb ass alive while playing almost entirely from my phone is a very irritating experience let me tell you.

On a side note. Have you noticed a serious lack of stupid plays. It is honestly very refreshing not to have to put up with some of the usual mafia bullshit. Hopefully after this game (It would be nice if it ended before my son is born) that people are able to keep from falling back into stupid shit. I haven't had to rant in a couple of games now. See we are all growing as players.


So for the audiences viewing pleasure this isn't a rant more of a expression of frustration.....


MOTHER FUCKERS...................... GOD DAM SHIT EATING MOTHERFUCKERS.......... I hope that you all die of VENEREAL DISEASES THAT YOU PICK UP FROM FUCKING GOD DAM DIME STREET CORNER MOTHER FUCKING HOOKERS. SERIOUSLY MOTHERFUCKERS.

OH AND i LOVE BENT.. and will happily help his dumb country ass try to win. BUT IF HE HONESTLY FUCKING THINKS THAT I AM NOT PREPARING TO BE DOUBLE CROSSED THEN HE IS FUCKING ON CRACK. I remember when he was the baddest scum to walk tall. SHIT the problem is that all of our history together (the vets) means that none of us truly trust one another in mafia games even if we are on the same fucking team. So in a situation like this....SHIT....

BUT MOTHER FUCKING Silencer.... OH he has to go.... Can't even tell when I am telling the truth. SHITTTT....

Venge appeals directly to Tapper, too.

Merrid, on 03 May 2011 - 02:33 AM, said:

When every you decide to kick which ever 18yr old you have managed to convince that you are only 22 out of your bed. Think about how we can stay alive and start to remove power players. I.e. Kara now, then serc or Ano (if he ever loses a challenge).

D'rek tells Venge she doesn't trust Karat at all.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:05 AM, said:

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Well I just talked to Tulas and he says that everything that we have been hearing from Okaros and from Kara is straight up bullshit and that Kara has convinced everyone that you are the next person on the hit list. Which goes back to mine we are screwed thoughts from earlier.

Which goes pretty well with our existing opinion of Karat being a backstabbing sheep-fucker. There's no point in undermining his support when we can just go for his head, so let's us two vote Karat and see if we can't get Alk, Ano and some Pensadors to do so too. I think Eloth and Tulas should be willing to get rid of Karat unless they're set on voting out me, too.

Karat's shenanigans with getting Tulas to use the idol on me at tribal council could still apply if he's somehow being honest, but it's a win-win for him either way, so I'd rather cut him out than risk it. Even if he's honest about it, what if Tulas decides at the last minute not to use the idol on me? Too much the look of a betrayal to me, and I have no direct communication with Tulas to hear their side of it. For all I know they haven't heard of Karat's idea at all!

Ment wants to examine Tapper's vote. Will be interesting to see how Tapper flies.

Alkend, on 03 May 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

arg

tell me how Eloth is gonna vote, plz

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek feels good about the idol... although it's fake. The problem is she doesn't seem to realize she's in trouble.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:35 AM, said:

Ano again! What is that deceiver putting in his wheaties? He's quite the puzzle, is Mr. Dkt there. It seems so unlikely that his story of being a Deceiver and getting a +INT and +STR stats is true - why would a deceiver have the same stats as Leader? I find it more like it'd be something like this:

Survivalist: +END
Challenger: +STR
Genius: +INT
Leader: +INT/STR
Deceiver: +INT/END
Follower: +STR/END

everybody loves role symmetry in mafia, after all. But then, is he pulling a double bluff and he's actually a Leader telling me he's a Deceiver pretending a Genius/Challenger? I did think about waiting on the Groupthink to see if Ano would make it instead, but it would've been a long wait and I wanted to remove the possibility of other Leaders listening to my PMs as soon as possible, which the Groupthink avoids.

Definitely gotta wonder if Eloth is listening to me and Merrid or me and Karat, right now. If he's listening to me and Merrid I've made the Dureza alliances sound more fractured than they are which works well. If he's listening to me and Karat, then he's not likely going to believe my story that I never got an idol (and that I thought Tulas was supposed to keep it and use it on me, not give it) and ergo Karat must have kept it with him to his grave.

So let us hope that Eloth is *not* listening to me and Karat, that we vote Karat out tonight and that Tulas then opens up that he had given an idol to Karat and I can deny any knowledge of Karat's plan. Then everyone can go frantically searching trying to get the respawned idol first, deplete their morale and let me win the immunity challenge tomorrow anyways!

No matter what, I will probably not use the hidden idol for as long as I can. It may be the key to surviving the final four, and that would be sweet. Then the final 3 will either be it and be picked by jury for the win, or the winner of the last immunity challenge will pick who gets voted out and there's nothing much I can do about that now.

D'rek suggests Tapper not talk to Tattersail.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:37 AM, said:

You know, you may want to avoid telling Okaros, actually. He's such a wild-card, I'm on the fence if we can trust him not to tell Karat on this. If you and Tulas both vote Karat, that'll be 6 with us Durezas and we won't need Okaros anyways, so maybe it's better to leave him in the dark on this one...

D'rek's got a talk with Roldom... but clearly it's not very solid.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:

We're good to go on this end. Not everyone's agreed on who to vote for over here, but it looks like most would prefer Okaros over the other 2, so looks like that's who we'll be targeting. Pass word to your buddies and I'll pass word along on this end. Anything left about it?

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 04:22 AM, said:

sounds good to me

D'rek apologizes to DKT.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

Note: I didn't really mean what I said on-thread, it was just to make us look less allied than we really are.

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

Cool... I didn't think you meant it anyways

DKT finds the idol and wants to forge up with Roldom, but he's out of forges.

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 04:47 AM, said:

Awesome! Ok... so whats the point of show hidden idol? Couldn't i just tell someone?

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

forge alliance karatallid

Path-Shaper, on 03 May 2011 - 05:14 AM, said:

You can tell anyone you want, absolutely. But by "showing" it you give them some evidence that you actually have it, rather than just "your word." You may want to not show it, that's totally up to you.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 May 2011 - 05:16 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Ment's working with Serc on this one.

Alkend, on 03 May 2011 - 01:19 AM, said:

sooo..





Lio told Karat you've been trying yo make it seem like he (karat wants to off Lio)



Karat is not happy. he wants to vote for you, serc.

Merrid, on 03 May 2011 - 01:53 AM, said:

Yeah that is what I got too. I think that we are being set up. I think that Okaros has been playing both sides. I brought up taking out Kara to Okaros and he wasn't in to it. Said that he trusted Kara more then liosan.

I think that Okaros has been playing us to try to get into a better position with Kara and to try to split up the Kara, Liosan, ruse alliance enough for himself to get insulated in.

Merrid, on 03 May 2011 - 02:27 AM, said:

So funny that they think that our alliance is weaker then there's.


Oh and Alkend if you have gone for Genius 2 then make sure to target Eloth. If we are going to be able to swing a Kara lynch then the extra votes will come from his side of Ponders.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 02:58 AM, said:

Okaros can swing about however he likes, if Eloth and Tulas vote with us it will be 6 to 4, and those two are quite the pair so I'd be very surprised if they didn't vote the same.

Anyways, are we agreed on voting for Karat?

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:39 AM, said:

Didn't get any discussion, so I told Eloth he and Tulas should vote Karat. I said to maybe leave Okaros in the dark on this one since the 6 of us is enough and Okaros is a mite unpredictable.

So, we're voting Karat. Alkend, if you please, figure out what Eloth voted and post it here so we'll know if we're getting fucked over. The rest of us, we wait until Alkend posts it, if we can, but it's not like we can do much about it if we are getting screwed...

The other groupthink thinks Serc has fallen for it.

Liosan, on 03 May 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

The D's may try to push on me, but it won't work as long as we are together.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

serc looks like he has taken the bait

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:

We're good to go on this end. Not everyone's agreed on who to vote for over here, but it looks like most would prefer Okaros over the other 2, so looks like that's who we'll be targeting. Pass word to your buddies and I'll pass word along on this end. Anything left about it?

[Path-Shaper]

DKT shares with D'rek!

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 06:01 AM, said:

I just found the hidden idol.

Okaros wants to bring everyone down to his level as he tells Merrid.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 06:10 AM, said:

Do you have the ability to increase moral? I do you see and I have been using it but do you think it is a better tactic to not use it and let other people suffer?

Ano and Karat have a chat.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

hello

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 06:21 AM, said:

Hey there! I thought i would branch out a bit. Since my second available connection was voted out last time round.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 06:28 AM, said:

Im always happy to make new friends, not that you seem to need them the way your powering through these challenges.

you must have a pretty well set up charachter

Tattersail gives some ideas to her groupthink.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

so i'm prime meat at the moment This could be totally misdirection though. Are we settled on any one particluar player? I have been thinking a lot about this whilst away from the computer. Jeff sent me this (about moral)

Quote

You only gain Morale through actions and winning rewards. You haven't won anything lately, and your action has typically been countered every time you use it by a negative morale hit.

We are losing challenges, I am not at good morale, so I have been using top chef to increase it, however every time I have used it someone has countered with a negative moral hit. This in my opinion only benefits the other team as we have the strongest numbers. Tulas Shorn should have walked all over anomandaris in the intellectual side of things on the last challenge, plus kartallidad should be stomping on their faces when it comes to challenges that require strength and Endurance. This only leads me to believe that someone is affecting our morale in a negative way on purpose.

This is what I have been thinking about. Firstly, if Kartallidad is lvl 4 survivalist like he mentioned then please use top chef and increase our morale, anyone else also able to do this would be a bonus. Secondly, who out of everyone stands to gain from everyone else losing morale, leader? survivalist? follower? Genius? Deceiver? The last 2 are more likely, if Tulas is a lvl 4 genius then he can let us know if it is this role, or Ruse can confirm with his ability to see other peoples abilities. However I am thinking it would be more of the latter role. If this is the case we would need to look at the challenges from the ones at the beginning through to the ones at the end and see who is performing now that has never performed before. I have, out of everyone Anomandaris is now excelling at challenges but did not in any of the earlier ones.

What are other peoples thoughts? I say we keep the alliance with Serc going so that we can give her fake trails or whatnot and get rid of Anomandaris, I think he is more of a danger to us.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 06:30 AM, said:

we cant vote for anomandaris, he has immunity

Merrid has re allied with me today, and ano has just started speaking to me aswell. Im more than happy to start feeding them info, but if we all say different things, or if one of them is a follower then we would be wasting time

I still say serc

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 06:40 AM, said:

If think the neg morale is probably a deceiver ability. And from what Serc said on thread last TC there is a deceiver in the game.
I think we should go for Ano next chance we get.

But Ruse clarifies for her.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 06:28 AM, said:

Looks like it is Serc or lio then, who are we voitng for?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Serc for now.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 May 2011 - 06:42 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Don't know that Okaros will get the answer he wants here.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 07:16 AM, said:

Okay sure. Ruse will you be straight with me? Am I part of the alliance with you and Kartallidad? Is it just me and you and him? Or is Lio part of the alliance and me back up?

DKT lies through his teeth.

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 07:17 AM, said:

Yea im relatively well balanced... this one suited me probably the best of any challenge we have or probably will have again

Okaros thinking hard about his options with Tapper.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

What do you want to do? I am going to hold my vote until you get back to me, the masses are gearing towards a Serc lynch, I am not in contact with Serc but I am with you, are we going to keep Serc in so we can get rid of Liosan or are we going to vote Serc out and put their team into a lot of disarray

And with Vengeance.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 07:21 AM, said:

Also Merrid, I know you are being cagey, you do not know who to trust and all that but what are your plans? Maybe not plans, but thoughts? You are on the lower group of people at the moment, the masses are thinking of killing off one of your group that could be you. I do not think it is but i'm not up there on the higher rung of the ladder, are you going to vote Lio? Where does Serc stand? Where does anybody else stand? Are you sure you have other people as tight nit as you seem to think? Did Serc mention earlier that Ano is a deceiver? Will he deceive you to get what he wants? Talk to me, i'm on the edge of the cusp. I am willing to vote Lio or I wouldn't be having this chat

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[Path-Shaper]

D'rek is excited about the idol... but does she realize she's in trouble? Then again, DKT offers it so she may try to keep the fake one pocketed.

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

Cool! Man you are absolutely set with this whole immunity business!

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 01:19 PM, said:

Yea there are some decent abilities for me but most of them are rather reliant on factors that are out of my control.

Anyways...Now we must work out how best to use this idol.

If we dont need to use it now... then even better.
But ill give it to any one of us 4 bastards if needed.


there is still a long way to go. Cant have the numbers be 3-6 after today, no ways..

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:

should i let the others know about the hidden idol?....i dont want to have too many people know even if they are my allies.
Its better to be safe than sorry...and it will get used to save them even if they dont necessarily know about it now

Serc, on 03 May 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

If you don't want to reveal it, shouldn't be the end of the world to any of 'em. If we knew one of us was getting voted we'd all tell each other and you'd have ample warning to use it, so I don't think it's an issue.

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

yea thats what i was thinking...

Anomandaris, on 03 May 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

great bloody idea

Tapper talks about the strategy in his groupthink.

Eloth, on 03 May 2011 - 07:39 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:46 PM, said:

but i dont think alkend is pally with dureza,

the only way the idol idea would backfire is if they listend to my conversation with ruse, or someone in this thread talked

I am in contact with serc and merrid, but i have been honest about that with serveral of you here already, quoting pm's vertabratium to show i have nothing to hide.

for example merrid has already came to me with the suggestion of a powerblock of him, serc, and me lio and ruse.

Id like to point out that merrid has since broken his allience with me.

do they have a level three leader?

Eloth...who are you listening in on?

Currently no-one. I have to forge an alliance first and so far, I only had 1 slot left and approached Merrid, but just reading convo's between you and Merrid were not deemed interesting by me, so I waited.

Eloth, on 03 May 2011 - 07:45 AM, said:

One thing to consider: Serc may well search for the immunity idol this round, on account of being offered it and not trusting it. I mean, she's handed a red herring she saw through.

I think we're better off voting someone else.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:03 AM, said:

I think giving someone a fake idol would go over PS, right Kara?
She would have no reason to distrust it unless she knows about the ability or has found the real one before.

Eloth, on 03 May 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:03 AM, said:

I think giving someone a fake idol would go over PS, right Kara?
She would have no reason to distrust it unless she knows about the ability or has found the real one before.

except that it was used last round. Is there only 1 idol in play, ever? I have to read the timing rules and when to search for it to be sure. But she's definately suspicious.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

Well what if one of their players already have it? Kara should have left it a while, in my opinion he played it too early. Its a hard one to grasp, and a lot of wifom. Do we believe Serc will play the fake immunity? If Serc has the ability to listen in on others like Eloth has then he may already know that Kara was lying.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:12 AM, said:

If we all go for him and she does not have the real one it wont matter.

Eloth, on 03 May 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

That's so.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

maybe i should of waited, but it doesnt matter in the long run

I just like screwing with people

and yeah, i make the idol and tell PS to send it, he does the rest

Lizra and Roldom discuss the option of keeping Okaros instead of Liosan.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:21 AM, said:

Okaros is trying to convince me to go for Lio right now.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 08:05 AM, said:

Yeah i can see your point, but the others would not trust us to vote along with us will they? I think the best way for me to be part of your three would be to vote off Lio who is in my place right now. Once he is gone then we will have our three, plus Merrid would actually trust us and be a part of our triangle as needed. I am thinking Lio and then ano who is a threat to everyone, then whoever

He thinks Lio, you and I have an alliance that we want to take to the end and he plans on replacing Lio.

I think we shouldn't go for Lio right now. It's too early.

Karatallid, on 03 May 2011 - 08:31 AM, said:

merrid or serc or ano (im guessing serc cos the heat is on him right now) are allied with Okaros and are telling him about merrids idea to make a 6 man team of u me and lio, okaros knows were linked so he is trying to ditch the only other guy to steal his spot

I say stick with lio

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

Agreed

[Path-Shaper]

Lizra is candid with Tattersail... this is potentially worth a jury vote.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 07:25 AM, said:

I am.
It is hard to say who is playing straight with whom.
I have no closer connection to Lio, but Kara has and I think he wants to see you gone before Lio.
I will try to convince him to go for Lio first, saying he is more dangerous than you.
If we have or decide to go for a Pensador the first to go it will probably be Eloth. He has revealed some dangerous ability there, when he told us he can listen into conversations.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 07:42 AM, said:

Well I think TS is being good at keeping off the radar, he seems to know quite a lot and he acts a lot like Serc when posting comments. You got to look at who is a bigger threat, Eloth is a threat sure, so is TS, i'm not overly concerned with Kartallidad and I am happy to be part of the alliance. Kartallidad should be looking to vote TS and Eloth before me as I am in his alliance even if I am the forth. If Lio goes then it will just be us 3, Kartallidad thinks Lio is more trustworthy whereas I do not think you'll get more trust from him over me. So I may vote for Liosan Ruse. The way I see it is once all the dureza have gone then there will be 6 people left. Out of everyone I am part of the three with you and kartallidad, if Lio is gone then it will be me you and kartallidad against Eloth and Tulas. It would be best to vote Lio now, whilst we have the numbers, because then we can get rid of Dureza without it affecting us too much.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

I think going for Lio right now would be a vote of the vote and I think we should get the durezas down at least one more before we start voting pensadors. If we vote of a pensador now we give the former durezas exactly what they want. It would get extremly hard for us to get pensador to vote united.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 08:05 AM, said:

Yeah i can see your point, but the others would not trust us to vote along with us will they? I think the best way for me to be part of your three would be to vote off Lio who is in my place right now. Once he is gone then we will have our three, plus Merrid would actually trust us and be a part of our triangle as needed. I am thinking Lio and then ano who is a threat to everyone, then whoever

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 08:06 AM, said:

Vote with me here Ruse, tell Kartallidad to do the same. If we leave it too late then other players make a play against us.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

I'll see what I can do to convince him.


Btw, you are spelling Karatallids name constantly wrong.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

It seems like I'm not able to sway him in this.

Btw, have you made contact with Merrid?

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

i'll call him kara from now on, which dragon was kara?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

No idea.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

I told you I was going to and that is why I broke it off with kara. I said we would need us three and two of them if we want to win this game. Okay you and Kara vote for Serc, I will vote for Lio, I'm not going to lie to you because I think trust is best policy between allies, you can trust that I will vote off Lio, and I am part of you and Kara. If I don't then it will be you kara and Lio voting me off at some stage.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

Ruse, I have been nothing but honest with you from the start, Kara should be grateful for you giving him extra abilities, he should listen to you as much as you listen to him, I know you are a follower but you want to win this thing don't you?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

Well, I trust no one.

I still think it is to early to go for Lio and you/we would be better of to wait until the next TC. Timing is important and I think you are just a little bit to impatient, but in the end I can't tell you who to vote for and you have to do what you think is best for you.
I believe you are telling me the truth in most things and I trust you more than I trust Lio. I want to see him gone, too, just giving it a bit more time.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 09:50 AM, said:

If we go for another Dureza now that would mean there will be little or no opportunity to get enough votes to start outing our own people. I think Kara has an alliance with Alkend that may flourish and I have one with Merrid, so Removing Serc isn't a bad thing, nor is removing Ano. At this stage if Lio is gone it makes us tighter, it does, then we remove ano/serc and then go for Eloth or TS, it makes sense, we would need merrid and Alkend in our 5 until its just us left if not we will become a minority.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 09:52 AM, said:

Have you ever considert taking TS into the final four?
Vote all durezas out. Go for Eloth. Go for Lio.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Well I am thinking that this will end on a final 3, I wouldn't want to leave Lio there because he has my place amongst you and Kara, I want it to be us 3, you think we would be able to vote off all of Dureza? Whose idea was this? I'd be game, I just want us all to progress.

[Path-Shaper]

They talk some more...

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

Ok, I think I should be a little bit opener.
I don't think we want Kara in the final three if we want to have a chance to get voted as winner. Not Lio or a former Dureza.

The original idea? Mine and Kara had the needed alliances to start going for it.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 11:11 AM, said:

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

Ok, I think I should be a little bit opener.
I don't think we want Kara in the final three if we want to have a chance to get voted as winner. Not Lio or a former Dureza.

The original idea? Mine and Kara had the needed alliances to start going for it.

I think we a) need higher morale need to be in the position where it is us two that count, the winner is voted for by the ponderosa so I do not think that it matters if Kara is good at challenges. However, if you think TS is a better ally than Kara then i'd listen to you.

Are you talking to TS at the moment? Is he giving you any insight into his thoughts and what he wants to do?

How about we vote off Lio, then all of dureza? I'd be content with that. Get rid of Lio, then Ano then Serc then Alkend then Merrid then whoever you think is best?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 11:20 AM, said:

Kara has a lot of connections. The only one who is not allied to him are you and Ano. If he is in the final three then the others are going to vote for him as winner, but I think he would be useful to keep around for a while.

I have contact to TS, but we are not talking much.

I'm not going to vote for Lio now, because of his conection with Kara.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

So you are going to vote for Serc?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yes.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Are you taking into account that having 3 Dureza in the ponderosa is not good for us? It isn't just us 6 Pensador vs 2 Dureza, there are also 2 Ponderosa who can also vote. Having Lio as a ponderosa means it will not be a forgone conculsion that they side together. Think forward, not just right now.

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 11:46 AM, said:

The people on ponderosa are voting in the end the final winner. They are not voting during TC.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 11:57 AM, said:

Okay my point in a way still stands, if we have 6 dureza in the jury then they will be a little bit biased who they are going to vote for, I think having more pensador in the jury will be a good thing, no?

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

That is why I want Kara, Lio and Eloth not in the last 3. They are active and they were good at challenges and they have a many contacts to durezas.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

So why not vote off Lio now? We will definately go for Dureza the next 2 attempts!

Ruse, on 03 May 2011 - 12:09 PM, said:

You really want Lio off, don't you? If I'm going to vote for Lio now, then I likely lose Karas trust and at this point he has too much influence.

Okaros, on 03 May 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

i just want what is best for me and you, kara having one less influence is good but i dont mind serc dying tbh