[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail and Lizra talk a lot about strategy... who's playing whom?

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

I want to try and get some inofrmation, so if I keep my alliance with you but break it with Kartallidad then I will still have the connection through you, this means I am placing my trust in you here Ruse. I am wanting the final three players to be me you and Kartallidad if possible. To do this Dureza need to die but we also need to be a bit more valuable to Pensador, the only way I can see this is if we peg the numbers a little more even. What are your thoughts?

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Right scrap voting off Serc for now. If you were almost voted out then that means that we have our own team gunning for you. My plan is to make an alliance with merrid, that will benefit me you and kartallidad. If we know who Merrid, Serc, Alkend and Ano want to vote for then we vote along with them. If I suggest to Merrid to vote either Liosan or Tulas Shorn for example then there will be 7 votes for Tulas Shorn for example, that is if you and kartallidad vote with me. We reduce our tribe as well as theirs, alternatively. So TS goes, then Alkend, then Liosan, then Ano, then Serc, then Merrid, then Eloth leaving me you and kartallidad. What do you think?

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 10:52 AM, said:

Right, I want to vote off Serc at the next council. Are you with me, i'm thinking that Serc has brains, and is probably maneuvering quite a few people at the moment, its a vibe i'm getting especially with the rant on thread. I am out of the loop from both sides, i'm not comfortable being a low rung player, I want more discussion otherwise I feel i'm going to be betrayed. We stick with voting off Dureza, is this right? Or do you suspect that people have different plans?

I think we are sticking with it right now, but there might be other plans out there.
I know that some Dureza members have forged alliances with some former Pensador members.
Kara and I were thinking about going for Serc as well, but there might be other options.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

I want to try and get some inofrmation, so if I keep my alliance with you but break it with Kartallidad then I will still have the connection through you, this means I am placing my trust in you here Ruse. I am wanting the final three players to be me you and Kartallidad if possible. To do this Dureza need to die but we also need to be a bit more valuable to Pensador, the only way I can see this is if we peg the numbers a little more even. What are your thoughts?

The more information the better.
And tell Kara what you are doing before you break the alliance, otherwise he might feel betrayed.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Right scrap voting off Serc for now. If you were almost voted out then that means that we have our own team gunning for you. My plan is to make an alliance with merrid, that will benefit me you and kartallidad. If we know who Merrid, Serc, Alkend and Ano want to vote for then we vote along with them. If I suggest to Merrid to vote either Liosan or Tulas Shorn for example then there will be 7 votes for Tulas Shorn for example, that is if you and kartallidad vote with me. We reduce our tribe as well as theirs, alternatively. So TS goes, then Alkend, then Liosan, then Ano, then Serc, then Merrid, then Eloth leaving me you and kartallidad. What do you think?

I think we need to discuss the order when to vote for whom a bit, but otherwise this sounds good.
For example I would like to see Eloth gone a bit sooner.
And we should talk it over with Kara to see what his plans and ideas on this are.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

Ok, Serc it is.

And we were thinking about Anomandaris as backup in case Serc gets immunity.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

Well Ruse, I have this from Eloth that says your alliance with Kartallidad may not be as strong as you think, however I am to believe this as lies.

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Serc is an ally of mine. He told me that he has been in contact with Lio and Kara and was told by them to vote Ruse - who then pulled out the idol. Genius tactic, but... That will only work once on them. And I dislike the fact the three of them did not inform us of this tactic. It makes them look like they want to play on with us as their lackeys, instead of as full partners. However, we do hold a position of strength with the six of us.

This was a play by you? Did you tell them that?

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 01:09 PM, said:

Right the way I see it is that TS and Eloth are together and I thought you and Kar and Lio were in another little 3 but it doesn't look that way. It looks as they wanted you out, now our 3 is You me and Kar or I thought it was. I want to off Serc, do you think you and Katallidad would vote off Serc? I see them gunning for either you Kar or Lio next so you got to speak with your alliances and let me know how you want to play it.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:20 PM, said:

It was played by Lio. He told Kara after TC and Kara told me. Lio wanted to set a trap to lead the dureza votes astray and was somehow shut up before he could tell anyone.
So apart from Lio, who could apparently not talk anymore no one knew.

Yes, we are going for Serc.

I think they will gun for me again. After all, I played the Idol the last time.
Eloth has and alliance with Serc and he told me that Serc still wants to go for me.
I think Serc, Merrid and Ano are allied, so I will probably have at last three votes on me.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

If Eloth is allied to serc and serc also has allied with liosan and kartallidad it makes a) Serc a player that must die next because he is dangerous and Liosan is untrustworthy, I think Kartallidad is more trustworthy because of the gifts you give him. We could throw Liosan under a bus, it won't hurt our alliance but only make it stronger, we can also make alliances with merrid or alkend and tell them to vote liosan, after Lio goes we then go for another dureza. What are your thoughts? At the end of the day there will only be 3 people left, so you got to think of the end game. What are your thoughts?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:44 PM, said:

Yeah, Serc has to go.

If I had to say whom I think the most untrustworthy in this pensador alliance I would say Lio and Eloth.
Eloth can form as many alliances as he wants and he is not really sharing information. At least with me.

I agree that Kara will probably want to keep me in the game longer than some of the others.

Alkend came to me yesterday but he didn't talk much.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

Well mention to Alkend that we will vote for Serc, after Lio? Vote for Lio first to "prove" our worth and then vote for Serc?

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The two "leaders" talk it over...

Eloth, on 30 April 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

Liosan, Karat and Ruse have been together since day 1. Ruse is a Follower, Karat survivor.
They approached me day 2 (both Ruse and Karat). I also had a seperate alliance with TS since day 2 (I made a good post day 1, just like I did yesterday ) and I merged us into the three-manship, in place of Shadow. From there, it was just voting off everyone else.

TS has been having suspicions of the threemanship trying to ditch us, apparently they have been telling TS to dump me as his ally and befriend Okaros (which I did, I asked TS to befriend Merrid instead, don't know if that came through).

If you are looking for someone to vote off, choose Karatallid or Liosan. Either of them are specialists and I think Ruse relies on his allies to pull him through, ability wise, if his work anything like my Leader abilities do.

So, essentially, I think you'll be able to find willing participants in TS, Okaros and myself to break down the Lio-Kara-Ruse triangle, but we'll all want a bit of a guarantee we're not voted off straight away once we help you guys break the former-Pendorosa position of strength.

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:41 PM, said:

Ruse sounds a lot like Alkend, who also has been playing pretty low-key and depending on abilities. Alkend seems like the only follower we had in Dureza and wouldn't say anything about his abilities, or at least not on-thread and I haven't heard anything about them through PMs, except that early on he claimed he could determine the stats or role of his allies, but it was never verified. The continued dependence on their abilities of either of them is worrying, but on the other hand you'd think a "follower" role would not be particularly good for winning challenges and such. Go figure.

Dureza was actually almost entirely survivalists and geniuses (4 of the former and 3 of the latter, I think, plus whatever Tiam was and Alkend the follower). It's hard to know for sure if that was the real roles or just what was claimed on-thread/in PMs. For example, Ano said he was a genius and that he then branched out to challenger, but I found out later that he is really some other role that gets an INT bonus and later a STR bonus from leveling up and he was just covering for that by claiming genius and then challenger. Not sure if that would've been Leader, Deceiver or Follower, though. Merrid is purportedly a survivalist, but I can't really be sure of anything. One of the survivalists after the first 2 EXP said on-thread that survivalist level 2 gave a +END bonus and a "fire-starting" ability, and the other survivalist who leveled up agreed (one of the two was merrid), but now I find it all suspicious because I've never seen any mention of fire-starting in a challenge or otherwise.

Anyways, it's good to get a bit of a confirmation and more info on the state of Pensador and it does indeed look like a fragmentation is coming. I figure things are going to get pretty convoluted very shortly. I can pass along word to Merrid to vote for Lio or Karat, depending on which you prefer, and he should be able to pass it further (I think he talks to Alkend who can talk to Ano, but I might have that mixed up).

As far as a guarantee we won't "voted off straight away once we help you guys break the former-Pendorosa position of strength", at this point I find it unlikely there'd be enough unity between the Durezas to do that. But anyways, maybe the best official policy is that we aim to vote of two of the threemanship, which will leave 4 of each, and re-evaluate then. At the very worst then we'll get another black-rock situation, but more likely I think the old tribes will by that point be pretty meaningless. I've spoken to you in this TC-cycle more than I have to Alkend all game and I know nothing of his abilities or how much of a threat he might be, so why would I help keep him alive to the end, right?

Be interesting to see what other players will say to that same question, though...

Mentalist is about to defect...!

Alkend, on 01 May 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

hey, Karat, i'm intrigued about this possibility of "honorary membership"

since my own tribe looks like it's trying to shaft me.

He talks to Lizra, too.

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 07:27 AM, said:

hey, trying to get to know the other half of our tribe.

and find ways to survive, since my own guys are not too happy about all the RI stuff I was doing instead of paying attention to the game.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 06:07 PM, said:

No, they are not happy. It was actually Merrid who suggested Kalse and you for votes.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

Any thought who you would like to go for at next TC?

Alkend, on 01 May 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

of the people remaining--probably Anomandaris.

[Path-Shaper]

Now we have D'rek and vengey... planning for the end?

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:34 AM, said:

Since we have been together for the entire game. I think that we need to start thinking about the end of game scenario. I have been approached by Tulas and through him Eloth for a shot at the end of game. But it will only be a ticket for us two. Now I know something about Tulas and Eloth that help me to trust them. Eventually we were going to have to try make a decision for the end game.

I think that this might also be the opening that we need to take the advantage since the merge. There is very little trust on their side. Kara, liosan and Ruse are all together and Eloth and Tulas are together with Okaros as a wild card. Tulas thought that Okaros was with them and Eloth. But has since changed his mind.

Kara and Eloth know that the battle lines have been drawn. I figure that it is basically down to us picking the side that is the less likely to fuck us. Personally I think that we have a better shot with Eloth and Tulas then with Kara.

But according to Tulas the ultimate plan is for just the 4 of us to get to the final.

Let me know what you think...

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:34 AM, said:

Since we have been together for the entire game. I think that we need to start thinking about the end of game scenario. I have been approached by Tulas and through him Eloth for a shot at the end of game. But it will only be a ticket for us two. Now I know something about Tulas and Eloth that help me to trust them. Eventually we were going to have to try make a decision for the end game.

I think that this might also be the opening that we need to take the advantage since the merge. There is very little trust on their side. Kara, liosan and Ruse are all together and Eloth and Tulas are together with Okaros as a wild card. Tulas thought that Okaros was with them and Eloth. But has since changed his mind.

Kara and Eloth know that the battle lines have been drawn. I figure that it is basically down to us picking the side that is the less likely to fuck us. Personally I think that we have a better shot with Eloth and Tulas then with Kara.

But according to Tulas the ultimate plan is for just the 4 of us to get to the final.

Let me know what you think...

Well, it's either that or we go all the way with the GBs. Either one could work pretty good for getting to the final 4. Looking beyond that though, for you and me to make it to the last 2 would not be a sure thing with TS and Eloth. I'm sure the two of them are as loyal to each other as we are, and none of us would betray each other because then they'd just get voted out by the other 2. We could try and vary it by when it's down to 5, with okaros being the 5th, we get Okaros with us and vote out TS or Eloth, 3 to 2. But then will Okaros stick with us or will he see his doom and work with the other survivor and make it another 2v2 situation for us?

On the other hand, if we take out Ruse, Lio and Karat, leaving 4 GBs, Eloth, Tulas and Okaros, we can then wipe those 3 out at our leisure leaving just the 4 GBs. With just the 4 GBs alive, the sides are not as well drawn up, and I think we could convince Ano to vote Alkend, and then we vote out Ano leaving just us 2 (of course we'd each tell Ano we want to kill each other so he'd feel he's in control).

No matter what, we should tell TS and Eloth that we're in and get rid of Karat, Ruse and Lio. But after that it may not be in our best interests to continue said course. Either course will piss a lot of people off, but that's pretty unavoidable, and as long as its both of us in the final it comes back to bite us in the ass equally. If we fuck up and its only one of us in the final, then whoever the other person is is going to win because all the people we pissed off will pick the other guy... so let's not fuck up!

Tapper's forging a groupthink with Liosan, too.

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 07:53 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 May 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

You already have an alliance with Merrid.

As far as I have noted, you don't have an alliance with Liosan, so you can't include him in Groupthink. Did you want to forge one to him?

yes, please - then add him to the Groupthink, please.

[Path-Shaper]

The Gentelmen Bastards talk strategy.

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 07:29 AM, said:

i'm a lvl 1 genius. I can probably level up, if Jeff will let me know if I have enough points.

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Cool thats our only hope really. Since its perfectly clear that serc and merrid's attempts at getting one of them to flip has failed miserably.

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

Alkend! Wait... Karat thinks he can win you over! Why don't you use that! Get a link with him and pretend to accept his noble offer. Maybe you can get some info we otherwise wouldo't have. If anything it will get you to the final 7 i suppose.

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

I got an idea! Lets black mail them for our jury votes! We tell them that ag its stands we will be voting for karat, lio and ruse. In that order if any of them are in the final 3. This could cause them to implode a bit. We say we might change our minds if they agree to vote one of their own out at this council. If not... Then thats who we agree on thread we are all going to give our vote to no matter what! What you think! Up for a bit of black mailing?

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

That could be interesting.

I started talking 2 ruse, pretending to be clueless and looking 4 allies, lol. Gonna see if i cant get anything out of karat, too

Serc, on 30 April 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

That could be interesting.

I started talking 2 ruse, pretending to be clueless and looking 4 allies, lol. Gonna see if i cant get anything out of karat, too

I think this is our best approach right now. If we seem like the four of us are still united, they'll be scared and gang up on us some more. Each of us should try to seem like the four of us are only loosely connected/allied, if at all - it makes us seem like less of a threat and they'll be more likely to take in one or two of us at a time. Just always phrase it as "but I think I can persuade another of my old Dureza-mates to come, too" or something like that.

Merrid, on 30 April 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

Kara isn't talking to me anymore. But he hasn't killed the link yet...

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

It looks on the thread that there is already starting to be a break in their alliance. It is now up to us to force it wide open.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:51 PM, said:

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Hiya Merrid,

You want to form an alliance? I am on the outside as a pensador, so I would be willing to join you for the time being. Is this something that would interest you?

This is from Okaros. I think that we can definitely cut Kara and his group out of the game.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros wants to remove Liosan next.

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:10 PM, said:

Well we of course have to be careful we're not being blindsighted, but if he wants to lynch Liosan I'm happy to help oblige!

Alkend, on 01 May 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

well, i got on the horn with RUse, and he's a lvl 4 follower.

meaning, he now knows everything about me just as I know about him.

oh, nad don't accept alliances from him if you want to keep your stats hidden.


should I go genius 2?

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 May 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

well, i got on the horn with RUse, and he's a lvl 4 follower.

meaning, he now knows everything about me just as I know about him.

oh, nad don't accept alliances from him if you want to keep your stats hidden.


should I go genius 2?

Good to know!

Is it between genius 2 and challenger 3? If so I'm inclined to say challenger 3, be good to know what abilities Karat and Okaros might have from that.

Alkend, on 01 May 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

i'd need another point for Challenger 3, I think. i've got 2 available right now.

[Path-Shaper]

Lizra talks with Eloth about the Alkend vote.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 12:21 AM, said:

Do you mind to share who voted for Alkend?

I guess one of the others(Tulas?) told you why i played the idol.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:50 AM, said:

Kara and I were thinking of going for Serc next TC with Anomandaris as backup in case Serc gets Immunity.

Any thoughts?

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 08:23 AM, said:

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 12:21 AM, said:

Do you mind to share who voted for Alkend?

I guess one of the others(Tulas?) told you why i played the idol.

Kara told me, aye. Nice ability, that

Hehehehehe, the Alkend vote has a very simple explanation. It was mine. I chatted to Kara about who we'd vote for and he'd suggested Kalse. I came on when P-S was only waiting for me and Okaros I think to vote, so I didn't check for updates in my PMs and instead voted Alkend from the back of my mind. A bit sloppy and it nearly put you on the line, so my sincere apologies.

I don't mind voting either of Serc or Ano, but I have an alliance with Serc and he is providing useful info. That being said, I can easily approach Ano after the TC if we decide to vote of Serc and he goes down. Since the last level, I am not limited to forging 2 links myself, I can now make any number of contacts.
This would have been much more awesome if I had enough time to use them properly...

I'm right now merely collecting snippets of info and even they are hard to come by, not to mention that I have to be thought of as giving stuff back, and the only thing I can give back is hints that I'd be OK with crossing over to Dureza's side of the vote - I don't know if it came up through your ability but Serc is still thinking of voting you and tries to enlist me for it, too).

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Well, I'm still in the game, so no worries.

That sounds like a nice ability, too.

Yeah, no one is really sharing info across the tribes. Alkend has allied me and the only think he said so far is that he wants to get to know some Pensadors and that his tribe is not for him.

I can't say I'm really surprised that Serc still wants to vote for me. Its likely that Merrid and Ano want the same then, as those three are allied.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros told me that you don't like how the last TC went.
Well I don't either. Lio was the one suggesting me for a vote to Serc but he told no one of us. Neither me nor, I believe, Kara.
There is no intention to leave you or TS out of the loop.
At least not on my part.

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros told me that you don't like how the last TC went.
Well I don't either. Lio was the one suggesting me for a vote to Serc but he told no one of us. Neither me nor, I believe, Kara.
There is no intention to leave you or TS out of the loop.
At least not on my part.

Well, that was part of my worry, partly also because Kara mentioned having exchanged wishlists on thread. Then again, he too was surprised by the idol strategy.

So I think your tale meshes and is true. I figure it would be kind of stupid to throw away a chance to victory by starting infighting at this crucial point, myself - although I must admit to having opened talks with the Dureza's, too, I think our best chance is still through Penderosa unity.

[Path-Shaper]

The side alliance with Serc/Merrid + Tulas/Eloth seems to be going.

Tulas Shorn, on 01 May 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Well, good to see you again Eloth! Merrid is 100 percent with us. We'll talk tomorrow.

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 01 May 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Well, good to see you again Eloth! Merrid is 100 percent with us. We'll talk tomorrow.

coolio

Tapper and Vengeance are online!

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

Hiya there, Vengy

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:

Hiya Tapper...


I figured that if we were going to partner up we should start talking.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:48 PM, said:

So you are with Tulas and he has been keeping you informed of our discussions right...

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:48 PM, said:

So you are with Tulas and he has been keeping you informed of our discussions right...

He told me you are 100% with us, which right of now means little to me as I know little else

Vengey says that he trusts Alkend for now and thinks he and Serc can "pick" their final 2 partners.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly... Okaros told me thst he thinks ghat alkend is in katas camp. Personally I think that our gb alliance is stronger then any alliances thst they have other then perhaps the Kara, ruse, liosan alliance. I think that fir the first step we need to convince everyone to vote off liosan. Then get rid of Kara and ruse. Once that is done we will be in a better position to see which team of two we want to go with to get to the final.

Okaros claims to want to get rid of the other leader.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

Now we are all here, who out of their team do we think is a lvl 4 leader, I would bet that at least one of them would be.

Vengey is hinting Alkend should go for 2 Genius.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

I think tha there are only a total of 8 experience points in this game.

[Trull's son]

I should have stopped by earlier! I just spent the last hour reading through SH. I have to say, just reading this is entertaining.

[Path-Shaper]

Glad you are enjoying it, Trull's son. It's almost everything from the PMs here. A few things are missing such as duplicate messages and some non-game related stuff, but pretty much anything important is here.

Roldom tells Tapper he's very happy to learn of the Groupthink.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:25 PM, said:

thats awesome, it makes life so much easier! I nearly cried when i came online this morning and saw i had 9 messages to answer lol

D'rek realizes her ability isn't quite as useful against another Groupthink. A natural counter.

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

D'awww, they are tribe-wide group-thinking too so I can't listen in as much...

Vengey lets Tapper in on "the plan."

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Ok. Well I approached Serc and she is open to the idea. She wants to make sure that all of her avenues remain open though. I have been contacted by Okaros who is allied with you (although not part of our final deal) and wants to join up with me and serc and our alliance. Mafia nothing but trust and openis. I assume that anything that I tell you also goes on to Tulas so I don't have to duplicate messages. Alkend (whom I am also in contact with) has made contact with Kara and has convinced him that he is flipping to join Kara, also since alkend started off as a follower he knows what peoples levels are in what. Thus he made contact with Ruse and found out that ruse is also a follower and can also know the levels of the people who he is allied with. So if you haven't made a connection with Ruse then you should probably avoid it unless you don't care about people knowing your levels.

Oh and Okaros want's to vote off Liosan. I assume that you and Tulas are fine with that. I told Serc and Alkend and Ano who are all fine with it. Serc is of the opinion that taking out Kara and his group then moving forward is the best bet.


So now you know almost as much as me.

Oh and if you haven't guessed yet.

Serc = D'rek
Alkend = Mental
Ano = Dkt


Have you had any showings? Today I stripped paint off of the steps on the front porch. On the plus side I think that this first time repainting everything will probably involve the most work. Mainly because I have to do every single deck and all of the rails.

[Path-Shaper]

Vengey tells Tattersail he agrees with Liosan as a first target.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

Both me and serc completely agree. The challenges while fun to read are slightly irritating as they are totally random (or at least seem to be, having both teams go into the merge with the same amount of players is questionable) which just opens up so many irritating variables. I think that there are definitely enough people to vote off Liosan (unless he gets the immunity, then perhaps ruse).

Vengey talks to Bent about loyalties.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:04 PM, said:

Ok I wrote this to Eloth a little earlier.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Ok. Well I approached Serc and she is open to the idea. She wants to make sure that all of her avenues remain open though. I have been contacted by Okaros who is allied with you (although not part of our final deal) and wants to join up with me and serc and our alliance. Mafia nothing but trust and openis. I assume that anything that I tell you also goes on to Tulas so I don't have to duplicate messages. Alkend (whom I am also in contact with) has made contact with Kara and has convinced him that he is flipping to join Kara, also since alkend started off as a follower he knows what peoples levels are in what. Thus he made contact with Ruse and found out that ruse is also a follower and can also know the levels of the people who he is allied with. So if you haven't made a connection with Ruse then you should probably avoid it unless you don't care about people knowing your levels.

Oh and Okaros want's to vote off Liosan. I assume that you and Tulas are fine with that. I told Serc and Alkend and Ano who are all fine with it. Serc is of the opinion that taking out Kara and his group then moving forward is the best bet.


So now you know almost as much as me.

Oh and if you haven't guessed yet.

Serc = D'rek
Alkend = Mental
Ano = Dkt


Have you had any showings? Today I stripped paint off of the steps on the front porch. On the plus side I think that this first time repainting everything will probably involve the most work. Mainly because I have to do every single deck and all of the rails.

So I think that all of the other 3 Durza's can be talked into voting off Liosan and if Okaros and the 3 of us also vote for him then that he is as good as gone. You are right to not trust Okaros as he hasn't said anything to me about you. Just Eloth. This is starting to become a long game.

How are you feeling have you passed the stones yet? Also don't drink beer, as much as it might pain you, drink Apple juice and water. How is work?

Vengey relays the obvious to Mentalist.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

Which means that I don't think that you can go Challenger 3.

Heh, Vengey and D'rek still think Roldom is Silencer. The lack of CFs for the remainder of the game will be quite amusing.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

If we end up taking Okaros down to the final 5 with us and Eloth and Tulas then we could easily get him on our side to take out Tulas and Eloth. Okaros and Tulas don't seem to have any agreement they are just joined with Eloth and he is keeping them together. Tulas won't vote for Eloth and vice versa but Okaros will vote out Tulas and he could probably be talked into voting out eloth.


There is so much shit going on right now that it is fucking crazy. The irritating thing is we won't really know how anyone stands till the vote. Then we have to do a complete revaluation. Also Tulas told me that Kara is talking about wanting to get rid of you next. If we can swing 6 votes onto Liosan we would totally screw with Silencer and that is always a good thing.

I think Roldom is calling some of his tribe "pariahs..."

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

hes not doing himself any favours with all his ranting. but then neither is eloth at the mo

pensador pirah's

From Roldom to Ment... Roldom doesn't realize he has incorrectly ID'd the other tribe.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

hey there,

i was a little surprised when merrid first approached me with his plan, and then serc allied with me and proved merrid wasnt just making it all up.

when barghast left he said there were a few disagreements in your tribe and i think i kinda get what he meant now.

ive been told merrid has an ability that allows him to cut our comms if we seriously start to discuss voteing for him. so did barghast but the black stone dealt with that.

your welcome to join but i dont think pensador is as united as it seems, im not the only one with dureza allies and a few members are starting to make some very disloyal noises...

Karatallid's gonna use his fake idol with D'rek!

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

hey everyone.

i doubt very much that any of them have level four leader. we know merrid doesnt, his ability is to block conversations that seriously consider voting for him.

now i am a level 4 survivalist and ive got a plan.

merrid ano and serc are trying to get 3 of us to ally with them, and sell the other three of you out.

now im against this, but it might be an idea to run with it for a while.

I have an ability to create fake hidden immunity idols. I will say that i dont want to upset anyone in pensador by voting for them, but to prove im with serc ill give him the fake. he will think that he will get 6 votes but none of them will go through and then the four dureza votes will be enough to vote of a pensador. when in reality all 6 of our votes will go through and he will get voted off.

What do you guys think? as soon as i get at least 2 people thinking i should go ahead with the plan ill start talking to serc

as an aside alkend has just allied with me, asking about my "honourary membership of team pensador" what do you think i should say to him?

Okaros, on 02 May 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Well using the fake hidden immunity idol will be brillaint, you could gove it to any player which gives us a good advantage. We could do this to Serc depending on the outcome of the next challenge, not the reward one obviously

[Path-Shaper]

Roldom makes the fake.

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

Activate Forgery

D'rek gives me kudos for the silencing mechanic. Not bad, eh?

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

Props to you, PB, for the "suppress PMs when they talk about voting you off" ability, I would never have thought of a mechanic like that without Tapper/Silencer laying it out for me. Very crafty.

Lizra indicates there's no word on the target yet.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

I asked him who he would like to go for. No answer yet.

Ruse warns Roldom to save the "idol" for later.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

I like the fake idol idea.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 01:05 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

as an aside alkend has just allied with me, asking about my "honourary membership of team pensador" what do you think i should say to him?

I think you should tell him just enough to make him believe we let him in.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

Another thought with the idol.
Wait until the challenge. If you get one you are told just before the challenge starts and he knows you can't have it before that, because I just played it.

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

too late, i already sent the message

D'rek thinks she may be gettign an idol from Karat... does she believe it?

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

time we voted off a pensador then eh?

i have no wish to have a pensador on the jury with a grudge against me however it looks like ruse has gave me the answer.

with ruse, im trying to convince TS that theres talk about me getting voted off next turn, so she will give me her hidden Idol, which i will then give to you. after i have given you the idol i will push you forward as a target.

You however will have the idol making our 6 votes meaningless.

Ruse is in on this, and neither of us would be particularly happy if you use this as a chance to take out either of us, so aslong as you confine your targets to TS okaros or eloth we will all be happy

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

, so she will give me her hidden Idol, which i will then give to you. after i have given you the idol i will push you forward as a target.

You sure it's possible to do that?

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 01:50 AM, said:

were allowed to give people a hidden idol, it just depends on getting it from TS, understandbly shes not to keen to give it up lol

then you can do a ruse lol

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

Alright, well the proof will be when I get the idol, of course. I have no problem voting off any of those 3, and I'll send word to go around the Dureza channels to be ready to do the same. Is there any of them we should avoid for fear of suppressed communication?

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 02:01 AM, said:

none of them have mentioned that ability to me, so it 'shouldnt' be a problem

Serc, on 02 May 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

Okay, well I will move Dureza to DEFCON 3 and then await the proof in the pudding.

Speaking of fake idols

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 01:53 AM, said:

I think its going to take me a while to make this fake idol, PS didnt say how long, so im going to use TS taking her time as a way to stall till its built

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

Lets hope its done till TC.

*** WARNING: IF KARAT TELLS IT TO ELOTH, SERC WILL FIND OUT ***

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

I think you should tell eloth the story, too. He is connected to Serc.

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

but eloth wouldnt have been told about it from me, so how would he have found out?

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

TS and Eloth seem to talk quite a bit.

[Path-Shaper]

Ment justifies the desire to vote Ano.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 12:41 AM, said:

Any reason why him and not one of the others? They seem to be stronger players to me.

Alkend, on 02 May 2011 - 03:09 AM, said:

well, I hear rumbles among Pensador too, and Merrid's had my back all game. I'd rather avoid backstabbing him.

Ruse, on 02 May 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

well, true.

How would you feel about going for Serc?

Karatallid, on 02 May 2011 - 05:31 AM, said:

Give Fake Hidden Idol to Serc

thanks

[Path-Shaper]

Idol rolls:

Serc: 9 => fails
Ruse: 4 => fails

[Path-Shaper]

Team 1 Guide/puzzle - Anomandaris
Team 2 rowing - Eloth, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid

Team 2 Guide/puzzle- Tulas Shorn
Team 2 rowing - Alkend, Okaros, Ruse, Serc

Eloth: Rallying Cry (+1 Rally => team)

[Path-Shaper]

Rowing: S(team): 40, 40, 40, 40, 100
Guide: I: 20
Puzzle: I: 75

Liosan grants Shoulder Burden to Merrid

Anomandaris (+1I, +4Sab, 0M, +2Rally) = +7
Eloth (+1S, +1M, +2Rally) = +4
Karatallid (+2S, +1Coat, 0M, +2Rally) = +5
Liosan (+2S, 0M, +2Rally) = +4
Merrid (+1S, 0M, +1Ch, +2Rally) = +4
Team 1 Rowing = +4 + 5 + 4 + 4 = +17

Tulas Shorn (+2I, +1Solo, 0M) = +3
Alkend (+2S, 0M) = +2
Okaros (+2S, -2M) = 0
Ruse (-2M) = -2
Serc (+1S, +3Lead, -2M) = +2
Team 2 Rowing = +2 +0 -2 +2 = +2

Safe to say... team 1 is going to absolutely dominate this one. Low morale on the other team, Tapper's rallying cry... Guess I should still sim it out.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 May 2011 - 05:51 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Team 1 (+17) 40 | 6 + 2 + 2 + 8 + 17 = 35 | 5 | 10 + 7 + 2 + 7 + 17 = 43 | -38 > 0.884
Team 2 (+2) 40 | 2 + 5 + 9 + 1 + 2 = 19 | 21 | 9 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 21 | 0

Bonus!
Anomandaris (+7) 20 | 9 + 7 = 16 * 0.884 = 14 | 6

Anomandaris (+7) 6 | 5 + 7 = 12 | -6 > 0.5
Tulas Shorn (+3) 20 | 6 + 3 = 9 | 11

Bonus!
Team 1 (+17) 40 | 2 + 7 + 4 + 5 + 17 = 35 * 0.5 = 17 | 23

Team 1 (+17) 23 | 10 + 9 + 10 + 4 + 17 = 50 | -27 > 0.54
Tulas Shorn (+3) 11 | 8 + 3 = 11 | 0

Bonus!
Anomandaris (+7) 20 | 4 + 7 = 11 * .54 = 5 | 15

Anomandaris (+7) 15 | 5 + 7 = 12 | 3 | 9 + 7 = 16 | -13 > 0.813
Team 2 (+2) 40 | 2 + 7 + 1 + 2 = 12 | 28 | 9 + 6 + 10 + 8 + 2 = 35 | -7 > 0.2

[Path-Shaper]

Bonus!
Team 1 (+17) 40 | 1 + 4 + 7 + 5 + 17 = 34 * 0.813 = 27 | 13
Tulas Shorn (+3) 20 | 10 + 3 = 13 * .2 = 2 | 18

Team 1 (+17) 13 | 4 + 8 + 10 + 2 + 17 = 41 | -28 > 0.683
Tulas Shorn (+3) 18 | 7 + 3 = 10 | 8

Bonus!
Anomandaris (+7) 20 | 2 + 7 = 9 * 0.683 = 6 | 14

Anomandaris (+7) 14 | 4 + 7 = 11 | 3
Tulas Shorn (+3) 8 | 10 + 3 = 11 | -3 > 0.273

Bonus!
Team 2 (+2) 40 | 6 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 = 15 * 0.273 = 4 | 36

Anomandaris (+7) 3 | 7 + 7 = 14 | -11 > 0.786
Team 2 (+2) 36 | 3 + 1 + 3 + 3 + 2 = 12 | 24

Bonus!
Team 1 (+17) 40 | 10 + 2 + 5 + 4 + 17 = 38 * 0.786 = 29 | 11

[Path-Shaper]

Team 1 (+17) 11 | 7 + 6 + 1 + 6 + 17 = 37 | -26 > 0.703
Team 2 (+2) 24 | 2 + 8 + 3 + 10 + 2 = 25 | -1 > 0.04

Bonus!
Anomandaris (+7) 20 | 4 + 7 = 11 * 0.703 = 7 | 13
Tulas Shorn (+3) 20 | 10 + 3 = 11 * 0.04 = 0 | 20

Anomandaris (+7) 13 | 4 + 7 = 11 | 2 | 1 + 7 = 8 | -6 > 0.75
Tulas Shorn (+3) 20 | 2 + 3 = 5 | 15 | 4 + 3 = 7 | 8

Bonus!
Team 1 (+17) 100 | 4 + 1 + 10 + 10 + 17 * 0.75 = 31 | 69

Team 1 (+17) 69 | 2 + 2 + 7 + 9 + 17 = 37 | 32
Tulas Shorn (+3) 8 | 5 + 3 = 8 | 0

Team 1 (+17) 32 | 1 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 17 = 26 | 6 | 9 + 7 + 7 + 9 + 17 = 49 | -43 > 0.878
Team 2 (+2) 40 | 6 + 7 + 7 + 10 + 2 = 32 | 8 | 8 + 4 + 3 + 5 + 2 = 22 | -14 > 0.636

[Path-Shaper]

Bonus!
Anomandaris (+7) 75 | 4 + 7 = 11 | 64 | 3 + 7 = 10 | 54 | 3 + 7 = 10 | 44
Tulas Shorn (+3) 20 | 4 + 3 = 7 | 13 | 3 + 3 = 6 | 7 | 6 + 3 = 9 | -2 > 0.222

Bonus!
Team 2 (+2) 100 | 6 + 4 + 9 + 10 + 2 = 31 * 0.222 = 6 | 94

Anomandaris (+7) 44 | 8 + 7 = 15 | 29
Team 2 (+2) 94 | 7 + 7 + 4 + 7 + 2 = 27 | 67

Anomandaris (+7) 29 | 3 + 7 = 10 | 19
Team 2 (+2) 67 | 10 + 2 + 8 + 2 + 2 = 24 | 43

Anomandaris (+7) 19 | 3 + 7 = 10 | 9
Team 2 (+2) 43 | 3 + 9 + 2 + 6 + 2 = 22 | 21

Anomandaris (+7) 9 | 5 + 7 = 12 | -3 > wins
Team 2 (+2) 21 | 8 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 = 18 | 3

[Path-Shaper]

HII Clue: Anomandaris, Anomandaris, Anomandaris, Eloth, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid

1. Merrid
2. Anomandaris
3. Liosan
4. Eloth
5. Anomandaris
6. Anomandaris
7. Karatallid

Clue roll: 5 > Anomandaris

With a HII clue, DKT has a staggering +6 with Misdirection... will make it very good odds he finds it and he can share the clue with his alliance to seal that deal. Is Alkend going to help them or not, though, in using it? How will it go down?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 May 2011 - 07:18 AM

[Path-Shaper]

No surprises here from DKT.

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

look for the idol please... And i want to use misdirection with the idol bonus! and yea i am definately waiting for the lvl 4 deceiver! Too curious to see what it gives me.

Tattersail messes up a bit.

Okaros, on 02 May 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

How much morale do I now have? I used top chef to perk it up a little and I don't lose any for someone getting voted out, I just want to know, I will keep on raising my morale and not search for immunity, dangerous but I need to get better at challenges.

action top chef

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

You're still at Abysmal, FYI. You have been low for a while now.

You cannot use Top Chef again this TC cycle.

Vengey wants to boost himself. It's really a decent play because if anyone's capped, it's a net gain for him.

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:33 AM, said:

bugger..

Use the moral boost for the elimination challenge.

Yeah yeah I know. But still use it.

A pretty obvious observation from the reward winners.

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 07:46 AM, said:

So... What can you guys tell me?

Merrid, on 02 May 2011 - 11:28 AM, said:

Natalie portman is hot.

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tell me something i didn't know.

DKT is getting excited and suggests Ment take Genius 2.

Anomandaris, on 02 May 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Go genius 2. that ability to check votes is invaluable right now. We just need that idol. And we can put this game on its head. Especially with okaros maybe flipping!

HiddenOne explains why he suggested Ruse before, to Karatallid, and to Lizra.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

I used Ruse because he was a logical-seeming choice, and I thought since we had the majority, there was little at risk.

Who is next?

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

Agreed, sorry if I made things tight for you, not my intent

Tapper is clearly on the former Pensador side... he's sharing info in his groupthink. HiddenOne, too.

Eloth, on 02 May 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

OK guys,

I'm currently allied with all of you, with Serc (D'rek) and Merrid (Vengy). Both have been telling me some useful stuff.

Alkend (Mentalist) is a level 4 follower (and according to Serc allied to Ruse), that means Ruse's ability to know when someone mentions voting you, applies to them too. As a result, we're better off not mentioning them.

A few warnings: if they have a level 3 leader, they can listen in on the conversations of 2 of their own allies. I don't know if that applies to this thread, but it is a danger to any planning we want to do that goes against Dureza.

D'rek is in her dealings with everyone trying to keep options open. I know for a fact she's really trying to drive a wedge between the six of us.

Merrid is entertaining the thought of a power block of him, Serc, myself and any two others of us Pensadores that he (or I myself) can convince to join him. So far, I play along for infoes but keep myself distant and non-committal - he is afraid of Ruse and mentioned a couple of us are also talking to him and/or D'rek. I get the distinct impression they're trying to set us against one another and use two power blocks to their own advantage so they can destroy trust between us, then act as power brokers and vote tie-breakers to shatter the two blocks. Clever, but also their only chance.

Liosan, on 02 May 2011 - 12:34 PM, said:

Serc is trying to get me to turn with warnings that Karatallid is allied with half of Dureza and is about to throw me/us under the bus.


Why do we need a complicated plan involving the fake idols (cool idea) when we have voting majority?


Test Alkend by having him vote with us.