[Path-Shaper]

twelve is eliminated by stones. Very bitter for him, he was doing a pretty decent job and was a very active player. It would have been fate, I think, if it were Okaros to go, but unfortunately the way the alliances go, I can't really just "make" that happen because it would have put that tribe at a disadvantage arbitrarily.

twelve rants about it to me. Can't blame him for being upset.

Barghast, on 27 April 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

mother fucker, mother fucker, mother fucker.

Fucking premontions. I was having a gut feeling all morning about this. What a damn fucking shitty way to "lose" the game. I had it all planned out. I bet Ano has the HII and was sitting on it. The worst part is I'm part of the jury so I can't go to spoilers and still enjoy the game from afar. I was trying to rationalize the tie. The odds said that one of the thinkers would have been voted out as they had 5 people verus our 4 to chose. I also factor the possibility of either Merrid or myself going home and that came in at 1 in roughly 4.5 chances. I liked those odds. I've felt, other than when I found the HII, my dice roles have been awful. Somehow I'm not surprised that "lightning" struck twice. What are the odds that I hit 2 1 in 10 odds in the same game?

The only complaints I've had with the game are your "soft" deadlines. You clearly stated people have x amount of time to vote. There were a number of times where people were on during that deadline but didn't vote and it caused the game to be delayed. There should have been a clear penalty in place to let people know that if they didn't meet that deadline they would suffer x penalty. Making it progressly more damaging to them the longer they take. Maybe even up to votes cast against them. I'm sure I'll have more to say later. Damn this sucks.

DKT is wanting to Sabotage nice and early. Clearly he wants a shot at finding that clue and who can blame him?

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

sabotage i would like it to kick in just before the reward challenge.

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D'rek asks Vengey what was going on.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Hey Merrid, glad you and Bargy got my hint but I guess it didn't help in the end. Any idea wtf was up with the suppressed communication?

Ment asks for the new plan since Dureza is down in numbers.

Alkend, on 27 April 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

well shit

what's the new plan?

DKT feels like he needs to win the reward challenge.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Well that sucks! What do you think bargy was on about at the end there? They have the numbers now unfortunately... We are going to need that hidden idol.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Damn, and we had the better odds, too!

I think he was making some sort of implied hint that Pensadors should flip join with us or something, not really sure.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 05:44 PM, said:

It looks like the hidden idol is at least not in play... Sigh.. I need to win this reward challenge.

[Path-Shaper]

twelve commiserates with me... alas buddy.

Barghast, on 27 April 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Well couldn't the penaties then just be permanent votes cast against a player for every half hour- hour late they are with their vote. Or have them affect things like their chances of looking for HII. Something that could negatively affect their game yet not screw the teams chances of winning a challenge?

Well I'm glad you enjoyed my inclusion in the game. I've enjoyed it even though I felt behind the 8 ball for most of it. But you had to throw in the line of even when I thought the odds were against me. Was I not in as much danger as I thought I was? Well it's a moot point as I am here and not plotting to take this game. At this pace there won't be another game for another 2-3 weeks. I guess the pace of the game could have been faster too.

One more thing. I didn't fully understand the tiebreaker process. Could you send that to me again? Since I now can't go back and look at it anymore. I wanted to read over that again to see if I understood what you did exactly to determine who went home.

Barghast, on 27 April 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Oh and I understand why you can't tell me about the idols because of me "still being in the game"

sigh

Path-Shaper, on 27 April 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

Pace could have been faster, sure, sorry about that. It is experimental. I considered votes-against, but that defeats the purpose of alliances to some extent. I know it's a tough break.

I intentionally did not tell you if you were in danger like you thought because I know that can affect your thoughts on the game. You may have been in danger a lot, maybe not. It's up to you to figure that out on your own or in the final TC.

Basically, you were one of nine numbers. I then randomly generated one of those nine numbers and it was yours.

DKT on getting the idol.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

ah bugger. we are at a disadvantage now. Going to have to get our hands on that hidden idol or they will pick us off one by one!

D'rek outlines a plan with DKT.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:02 PM, said:

Don't we all

In the mean time, let's see if we can get some former-Pensadors on our side. I'm chatting with Liosan already, and I think he is buddies with Karatallid and Ruse. You've got an unused communication channel, right? Well get on the phone to Ruse and persuade him that he, Lio and Karat should work with us. Our strategy is to alternately vote out former Durezas and Pensadors until it's us "six" (being Lio, Karat, Ruse, you, me, Merrid). We vote out the rest in alternating order, so:

Eloth
Kalse
Tulas
Alkend
Okaros

If all 6 of us are on board it's a majority voting block and we need only fear hidden immunity idol antics like happened with D'riss, which should be rare.



And you know there's an element I've left out of this post, but I'm not going to be explicit in case there are roles that can read other peoples' PMs (we are at the stage where role/ability-paranoia is a good thing, I think). In any case, this plan as outlined above is good for a couple TC-cycles and we can modify it later. I'll tell Merrid to make a connection to Karatallid.

Similar post to Vengeance.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

My communication with you and Bargy was suppressed yesterday. Don't know who or what caused it.

Been talking with dkt and the plan now is to see if we can get some former-Pensadors on our side. I'm chatting with Liosan already, and I think he is buddies with Karatallid and Ruse. You've got an unused communication channel, now, right? Well get on the phone to Karatallid and persuade him that he, Lio and Ruse should work with us. Our strategy is to alternately vote out former Durezas and Pensadors until it's us "six" (being Lio, Karat, Ruse, you, me, Merrid). We vote out the rest in alternating order, so:

Eloth
Kalse
Tulas
Alkend
Okaros

If all 6 of us are on board it's a majority voting block and we need only fear hidden immunity idol antics like happened with D'riss, which should be rare.

---

And you know there's an important point I've left out of this post, but I'm not going to be explicit in case there are roles that can read other peoples' PMs (we are at the stage where role/ability-paranoia is a good thing, I think). In any case, this plan as outlined above is good for a couple TC-cycles and we can modify it later. I've already told dkt to make a connection to Ruse.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek wants to watch DKT and HiddenOne.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 April 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

You learn the following through Observe and Report.

Liosan spoke to Kalse.

Liosan, on 26 April 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

Hmm, missed seeing this earlier. I'd really like to listen in on that, but damn Kalse had to break his connection to me

I will monitor the PM-habits of Ano and Liosan, today, please.

DKT tells D'rek he can't link to Ruse.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

I used my spare comms trying to get hold of merrid. We can each establish only 2 right? Umm.. Ok maybe i can cancel my chat with merrid and get hold of ruse. Not sure if i will be able to get hold of ruse before the next tc.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

I passed the whole plan along to him, so if you break with him he should realize why (or just leave him a note). I'm pretty active and can pass messages between you two so I think it's worth breaking the link to reach out to Ruse. If I die, you'll have the link to me unused again and can re-connect to Merrid then.

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Drek uses her contact with Liosan to offer a plan.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:25 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 April 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

I hope you changed your vote to get rid of Alkend

Tulas Shorn is a genius, at least level 2 maybe 3 by now, maybe with a dash of Leader not sure, after the first few challenges, people became elusive about abilities and levels Also she may have something that will buff other players.

Are you looking to get rid of Kalse since you call him dangerous? That was a true mafia play that you describe

I didn't, evidently. Oh well,

Good to know on Tulas. We've been almost all Genius/Challenger/Survivalist at Dureza so I'm really not familiar with the abilities of the Leaders, Deceivers and Followers. Not sure if you knew but the Survivalists at level 2 have a "fire starting" ability which gives them mastery in any fire-starting challenge. And yet, we've had absolutely no such thing in any challenge, which is rather weird. I heard it from multiple sources, though, so I'm inclined to believe the claim. If Tulas got to level 3 genius, then (s)he'd have the ability to see how a player votes before themselves voting, which can be really dangerous, especially as fewer and fewer players become left.

On that note, then, would you be interested in forming an official voting block? Sure, right now we seem to be divided along former-tribe lines, but just as I find Alkend and Kalse threats amongst the former Durezas, I'm sure there are some former-Pensadors you'd like to see gone before too long. I've got a best-buddy and have brought up the idea with another former-Dureza who would be eager to work with us. If you've got a friend or two (Karatallid? You did seem to cringe at my talk of voting for him so I'm guessing he's actually an ally of yours) we could work together and have a majority.

If you're game, I think the best way to go about it would be to alternate between voting out former Pensadors and former Durezas. Barghast just got eliminated, so we go Pensador next, then Dureza, then Pensador, etc. Probably should leave Okaros for last since he's low-posting now anyways and might get mod-neutralized for us.

What do you think?

DKT talks with D'rek about branching out.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

Yea thats what im doing. Just going to leave him a note and cancel after he reads it. I don't know how we are going to convince them. They now have the luxury of taking us all out one by one. Why would they risk throwing there lot in with us?

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:

I don't think Pensador is completely unified. Sort of like an informal bunch of shrugs and "I guess let's vote them out first" sort of thing. Either way though, our best bet is in appealing to their desire to take out the threats they know in their own tribe. I think Lio/Karat/Ruse may have a desire to get rid of Eloth and Tulas sooner, rather than later. Tulas, btw, is supposedly a genius, possibly with a bit of leader. He can therefore probably read votes like Kalse.

Vengey tells Ment the plan is to get an idol and use it.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 06:28 PM, said:

The new plan is that we talk a couple of ponders into forming an alliance with 3 of us. Then alternately vote out the remaining ponder and duzy tribe members. Serc's paranoia is at an all time high. She thinks that pm's might be able to be read. Thus she left several things unspoken but said that she was leaving several things unspoken. From the look of the list she provided she wants to vote off a ponder then count on ano having the hidden immunity idol to pull the same manuver that kalse and driss pulled on us ealier to knock off another ponder and give us the edge to vote out the rest. During this time hopefully you will be busy trying to figure out who on there team has the ability to see votes like kalse and we take that guy out first.

That was one of the back up plans that we came up with in the event that we ended up a man down. It has the beauty of having already been done and the other side cannt see it coming.

So you up for investigating some people...

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

Feel free to do the usual, and tell people that ano, serc and kalse ante branching off to form a new alliance with Kara, liosan, and ruse. Let's show the noobs what paranoia looks like.

ansible frustrated that his former tribe lost a member.

Kalse, on 27 April 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

Yeah, not good at all... the fucking luck of it being one of our guys. Man. Either we need the idol, like you said, or maybe we can convince someone on their side to swap... not sure how likely that is though. Have you been able to talk to anyone from the other tribe?

Vengeance and Serc have their plan.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Ok so I told alkend to go spread havoc and try to find out as much as possible about the other side. I assume that your telling kalse the same thing.

DKT and Merrid discuss plans before DKT breaks off the talk.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

We are a man down...bugger. This is going to be difficult. Im going to have to cancel our chat in order to establish comms with ruse like serc's plan says. We can chat via serc if need be afterwards. Anything you would like to say before i do cancel?

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

I am sending alkend out to spread miss information to hasten a possible break up of the ponders.

Things are going to get crazy in a little while. We need to make sure that our(serc, me,you) all keep our bullshit on the same page.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

Ok cool. I won't spread anything without first checking in with serc.

[Path-Shaper]

DKT tells ansible about the plan.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:51 PM, said:

Myself, serc, merrid and alkend are busy getting connected with liosan ruse and karat. Lets see what we can do.

D'rek tells Vengey that Kalse broke off a while ago.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

I haven't been able to talk to kalse in several TC-cycles.

HiddenOne says he'll talk to his allies about Serc's plan.

Liosan, on 27 April 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

Ok, i'll talk to my ally and get back to you.

[Path-Shaper]

DKT realizes with Serc that they will have to be careful.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

Yea i had forgotten about that. Tulas can most likely read our votes... Sigh.. Ok well lets see how things pan out then shall we?

D'rek will learn that HO is trying to talk to Roldom.

Liosan, on 27 April 2011 - 07:03 PM, said:

What did you make of Barghast's parting statement?

This next challenge seems designed to counter old tribal alliances with random teams.

I have been contacted by the other side in the interest of forming a voting block. They want to know if I will participate and bring my allies with me. What do you think of this?

Vengey gives DKT the blessing.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

Sounds good let's let the shit fly.

Vengeance wants to talk to Karatallid.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

Let's start this thing off. Please create an alliance with Kara.

D'rek explains why they have to keep the size small for a possible new alliance.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:03 PM, said:

Truthfully I don't want to fuck either one of them over, till it is down to us. Are you thinking of running the same thing that kalse and driss did earlier..

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:03 PM, said:

Truthfully I don't want to fuck either one of them over, till it is down to us. Are you thinking of running the same thing that kalse and driss did earlier..

Probably not, because that item may not even be in play now, let alone there being no assurances of us getting it.

The idea is that we get 3 of them and 3 of us, and it sounds wonderfully equal because we're not mentioning Mentalist at all to them, making it seem like we have no particular care about him at all. When it gets to Ment at the end, then we can turn the tables around but for now the idea is to make them think they're bringing as much to this alliance as we are. If they think we have more than them they will be suspicious and will stick with their united-Pensador situation instead.

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Looks like Lizra's got the right idea, although without a clue it's still luck.

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

My moral is messed up anyway, so search hidden Immunity Idol.

Speaking of the idol, Barghast's legacy lives on.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

According to barghast ano had it and that it should still be in play. But it might be a last shot kind of thing. I told ano to make sure that all stories are cordinated through you. Let's keep this thing tight.

I also have a midterm tonight. So I probably won't be around much.

And Vengey cuts to the chase with Karatallid.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

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Serc goes to DKT to get the info on the idol. He's honest.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 05:44 PM, said:

It looks like the hidden idol is at least not in play... Sigh.. I need to win this reward challenge.

Back to this - did you have the Dureza one before the merge? And if so, I imagine it is now useless, but there might be an Azathenai idol out there somewhere...

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

No i didn't have an idol. I do think the idol would have been used in this last TC if it was in play. Since it was pretty important for either side to get the majority.

D'rek continues to coordinate with Vengenace.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

This bit was pretty much word-for-word what I sent to Ano, so stick to that for now. I'll pass along between you two anything story-relavent that comes up from either of you and we'll coordinate as needed. Lio said he'll contact "his ally" to talk about it, which I think is likely karat, so I think we're making progress.

Bent's happy he didn't draw the black stone... and talks about some kind of strategy. Hard to tell what he's referring to.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Well thatsa a relief - onto game plan A again - I thought for a minute I might have to convince Okaros and Eloth (and possibly Merrid) to try and stymie the votes by not voting with their respective teams. I felt I could convince Ruse to do the same and let Merris pick someone from his team that he trusted. Was a long shot but thats where I went in my head.

Tattersail is going to keep looking for the idol.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Action Top Chef

Path-Shaper, on 27 April 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Noted on both accounts.

Tattersail asks the former Pensadors why they are so quiet. Ruse answers with an expected response.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

You're quiet, what did you think of the voting? Are we sticking with the other team being voted off when it comes down to it?

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I think the voting was nothing of a surprise. Both teams went for a strong player of the other team and we got lucky when the stones were drawn.

I think voting the other team off is the safest way to go right now. They are in minority and as long as we keep voting them off and stay together as a team/alliance we minimize the chances that the next vote might be for us.

It will be different though as soon as the other team is eliminated or down to one or two players. I think that is a point where the former pensador players are starting to think for who to go among them.

Ruse looks at the last words from Barghast... how much did they really mean?

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

It seems we got lucky.

Barghast last word were interesting though.

Barghast, on 27 April 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

Well my final words other than that Sucks!!!!....

Low man on the thinkers totem pole, think of flipping very soon because our tribe isn't as tight as you think. There are at least 3 different factions that I know of so your chances are much better over here.

Tattersail asks Ruse to get to the point about the "core" group... she also forgets that it gets very dangerous once there are 7-8 people left if you kept whittling down one tribe... that last one or two person(s) become swing votes and they will gladly take the help to get to a Final 4.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

but we won't have to worry about that until the other team have gone will we. I see the point that will be the best way forward. I guess the hidden immunity will be a major turning point around them, i'd say search for it every chance you get. Who is in our main alliance then? If you were to go down to three? Or is that something you'd like to share later?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 April 2011 - 08:02 PM

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D'rek states the obvious to DKT about the idol not being played.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

No i didn't have an idol. I do think the idol would have been used in this last TC if it was in play. Since it was pretty important for either side to get the majority.

Well, that assumes

a} someone had the idol after less than a whole TC-cycle since the merge (I'm presuming earlier hidden idols are useless)
and
(
b} that person knew who the person of their former tribe that would get voted would be
or
c} someone who did know how we would vote told the person with the idol
)
and
d} they wouldn't rather just keep it for themselves

She relays the info to Merrid, but it's wrong.

Serc, on 27 April 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

According to barghast ano had it and that it should still be in play. But it might be a last shot kind of thing. I told ano to make sure that all stories are cordinated through you. Let's keep this thing tight.

I also have a midterm tonight. So I probably won't be around much.

ano says he didn't have the idol. Either way I think pre-merge idols are probably useless now.

This should be a red flag for Okaros... if the person says they don't know, they are lying.

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 08:07 PM, said:

I have not quite decided yet who I want to see at the last three, apart from me of course.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

What will your decision be based on? What path have you followed so far?

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

I'm trying to figure out a good balance between trust and power.

What are your thoughts on this?

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

You mean power as in challenges or as in influence? Who have been the more active members off thread? Who do you think has been pulling people chains? I am thinking this is mafia, you can trust no one, i'd form a strong threeway alliance with people in our team, I don't have one and haven't been part of one yet. Who are you connected to other than me?

Lizra tells Roldom there is no deceiver. He's correct but doesn't know the Deceiver masks his identity.

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

No one of us is a deceiver, so it must be one of the former Durezas.

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DKT brilliantly reasons out why the idol is likely not in play right now.

Anomandaris, on 27 April 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

I think there was only one hidden idol for both tribes in the whole game. Although PS is purposely vague about that information though. I also think that having a majority is much more important than any one person having an idol because you will get voted for eventually and would have to use it if you where not the majority anyways. TS and even eloth could both easily be lvl 2 geniuses and could have coordinated the use of an idol to get majority without it having to go to chance! So i am thinking the idol is not in play. And if it is in someones hands they have taken a huge gamble. Afterall.. You need to know when you are going to get voted for by the other alliance for it to be effective. So its a team effort to use it effectively... Unless ofcourse you are the last man in your alliance and you have been sitting on your idol. Well... then they will just get you after you have been forced to use it... No... I prefer to think if the idol was in a pendor hand... It would have been played.

Vengey is annoyed that DKT said he didn't have the idol.

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 09:23 PM, said:

Fuck I thought for sure that he had it...

Props to Tattersail, she's doing her best to play the game without letting people know that she knows a lot.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 09:29 PM, said:

Me and you for starters, I haven't thought too much into it at this stage as I don't think i'll make it all the way. I know people have plans within plans, but as long as I have one other buddy then i'm okay with that, hopefully I've picked okay with you.

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

I hope so, too.
I think that will depend mostly on other people and how they vote. If we get a lot more of those piled votes or if the votes are stretching out more. The more the votes will stretch the better are our survival chances.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Well the only way I see it getting bad for our side is if they get the immunity idol. Then they could damage our chances of voting someone off

As an aside, Ruse should be ecstatic about taking Okaros... I don't know that many people would give him votes at this point. At some point, you do have to think about who you can beat.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 April 2011 - 10:02 PM

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So Ruse thinks a backup plan will save them from an idol? Well, Tulas wasn't entirely forthcoming with his abilities, so that may not be the case.

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

As long as we always have a backup I don't think there is a problem.

Btw, who would you like to go for next?

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 10:08 PM, said:

Possibly Serc, he seems to be a good player, if not Serc then maybe Anomandaris, what are your thoughts? Although Alkend is still around

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

I was thinking we should go for Alkend again and Serc as backup.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

yeah okay, as long as it is ex dureza it works for me. Do we have any players that have reached lvl 3 or 4?

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

I am a level 3 Follower. Not sure about any of the other ones.
Level for will be available after this TC.

Now we get some tendrils going the other way.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

PB

Break Alliance with Eloth
and then
Form alliance with Merrid.

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Tattersail makes his case why Lizra should keep him around.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 10:24 PM, said:

As a follower you get to see my abilities right? So you can see I'm no big threat. What other abilities do you have?

Ruse, on 27 April 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

I can boost one of my allies, but I have already used this on Kara when we were fighting for tribal immunity
and I have an ability called savior, where I can offer on thread a boost to everyone if they do not vote for a certain player.

Okaros, on 27 April 2011 - 10:42 PM, said:

that sounds like a good ability, i like them. I am lvl 2 endurance as you know, lvl 1 challenger and lvl 1 leader I think I am going to lvl up the leader role and see how that goes. That would put me lvl 2 leader, lvl 2 endurance lvl 1 strength, so i'll be okay at challenges

[Path-Shaper]

Bent makes a big move with a proposition to Vengeance!

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2011 - 11:05 PM, said:

Hello sir, I have a message from a friend, Eloth

He asked me to say these words

Tapper is Eloth and says hullo, wanna ally?

He says there is a 50 percent chance you'll want to join us, and a 50 percent chance you'll want to off him.

So here's the deal, we need a 5th.

Right now we have a large faction, but we are trying to work our way towards a smaller one.

The plan in the larger faction is to vote off the remainder of YOUR team, and then work against each other.

However Eloth and I believe that we are outnumbered with our alliance and will be the first to go.

Here is the proposal - You, I , Okaros and Eloth will form an alliance.

We vote off the rest of your team (this is going to happen either way as we have the numbers since Barghast got robbed (cough) I mean voted out.

Then, the 4 of us, vote off the 3 of them (Ruse, Karatallid, Liosan) and then its every man for himself.

this is the best way to do this and to assure you a little further - I plan on voting AGAINST OKAROS - when we get to the final 4. Only Eloth has contacted him. And I don't trust that ate in the game if you know what I mean.

So its up to you Vengeance . Wanna play?

[Path-Shaper]

Roldom explains his recent silence to Tattersail and others.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

sorry Ive been quiet, i wasnt able to get online

as we stand with 6 pensador to 5 dureza, we have complete control over the vote. aslong as we stick together as a tribe we should be able to cruise to the final stages

Im not that shocked they voted for me, the past three challenges i have been mentioned in jeffs comentary. its the same reason we voted for alkend.

there only chance now is to get some of us pensadors to join them. they know this and they are making attempts to get us to join them. I think we should play along for now, but when it comes to voting time we stick together. They only want us to join with them the next 2 times so they will be in control of the vote and then they will happily betray whoever joins them.

We must stick together now more than ever

He also is suspicious of Vengey's new alliance request.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

pardon me for being a little bit arsey but didnt you lot just try to vote me off?

how ever i do see the value in teaming up to cut away the dead wood in both dureza and pendsador

What do you have in mind?

Here we have the Cadre leaders chatting.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:24 AM, said:

Ruse, on 26 April 2011 - 04:24 AM, said:

Well, you can hope for a tie between you and Alkend. Then both of you are safe and someone else has to go.

how right were you...

merrids added me as an ally, havent read it yet though...

Ruse, on 28 April 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

Did you send that to everyone?

I was talking to Okaros most of the day. Not sure about him.
I told him that I'm allied with you but have no contact to any of the others.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

i sent that to everyone, okaras included

he could of easily voted me off last time, and he didnt so im prepared to let him in with us for now. we have a voting block. it would be foolish to break it in an attempt to form another one

about merrid i assume you got something similar to me.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

pardon me for being a little bit arsey but didnt you lot just try to vote me off?

how ever i do see the value in teaming up to cut away the dead wood in both dureza and pendsador

What do you have in mind?

I have no intention of betraying the cadre which is why im being open and showing you what i have. and voting off the weaker memebers? ridiculous, if anything you take down the stronger members. Thats why they came after me, and why we went after alkend.

But if they think they are scheming with us then we will get one more turn to hammer them down before they realise we are united

Ruse, on 28 April 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

Interesting. I haven't got anything from Merrid or one of the other players he mentioned.
I wonder if he is counting on you having an alliance with me and/or Lio.

[Path-Shaper]

This is what I like to see... forethought from a leader!

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:23 AM, said:

:: walks into the confessional::

well that was interesting...

So dureza has managed to make itself into one organised team. We did it, so its only to be expected that they would too.

They focused there votes on me?

annoying, but expected. Ive stood out in your commentarys. I cut quite the dashing figure.

pensador stood firm, and we voted for Alkend. we hit a tie and luck sent barghast home.

It could easily have been one of us. But it wasnt, and now pensador has the majority prescence in the azath.

If we stay together as we planned originaly then we should sail to the end.

But what would i do if one of us had caught the stone instead of barghast?

I would keep the cadre going as much as possible, while making alliences with durezas key players. then i would sell out cadre players to ingratiate myself with say merrid or serc. and hope they kept me alive long enough to get to the end.

And lo, what do i see merrid doing now? branching out to our players, enticing them with a voting block, (which we already have) and trying to get us to remove the weaker players..

his first voting suggestion will be interesting. He has two options, either try to get us to vote for a pensador. which is riskey and could easily backfire due to loyalty(if such a thing exists in mafia), or at first sell out his dureza tribe, join his votes to ours and try to get a full merging of teams. Riskey because we could easily go along with him, then turn against him later on.

Which is what i currently intend. Of course if it looks like my cadre members are sympathising just a little to much with the dureza, i may need to whittle away at our own side...

And Bent's doing it too, but I wonder if he'll have a hard time bringing Ruse along.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 01:24 AM, said:

So I have things lining up pretty good now.

I convince Kara not to trust Eloth. I get Eloth and Merrid and Okaros to go with me.

We vote off random player from the other team -

I tell Kara that Eloth is trying to form a mini alliance with someone other than Merrid.

We lynch them.

I repeat this process until everyone but Merrid is left.

we vote off Kara, and Liosan. I convince Ruse to go with me and Merrid.

We vote off Okaros and Eloth.

I am in the final 3. By then Ruse and I will be close, since I saved him, we vote Merrid (or I tell Venge who I am)

Then its up to the judges.

Thats the plan.

Plan B involves going with Kara and his squad and hope I can keep Kara with me until the end.

Vengey asks Ment if he's got any new links.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:43 AM, said:

Have you made contact with anyone yet?

Eek, Kalse could be in trouble.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

liosan has pointed out that theres a chance that out of thread chat may get suspended by this challenge as we are splitting up.

so we are picking our targets now

at the moment we think kalse unless he gets immunity again, in which case go for serc

Venge thinks outloud to me.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

Well well well.... Pity that Barghast isn't in the game anymore. I have to say that I am crazy tempted to try to talk mental into contacting Kalse and then setting up a 6 person alliance with Eloth, Tulas, and Okaros. If it is done correctly my old team mates might not even realize that we had betrayed them for a while. I could be made to look like Kara and the rest were playing them. As much as I like to kill mental I feel that he has my back more then anyone else now that Barghast is gone.


This is going to get fucked up...

[Path-Shaper]

Cadre leaders talk out their options and Vengey's offer.

Ruse, on 28 April 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

Thats possible.

I was thinking Alkend again, but Kalse is good too.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

merrid has gave us a list of who to vote for, and surprise surprise its a pensador first. ill send you the message and my reply.

HiddenOne says he's Karat's man til the end.

Liosan, on 28 April 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

OK, glad you picked me, I'm going to get somebody from Pensador for my choice

Serc has allied w/ me - he thinks/knows you and I are allies, give the impression of being a good player from his posts. They wanted you out on the first vote, obviously, I think they are all allied.
He proposed to get rid of a Pensador to keep things even (surprised?) but someone less effective.

I will tell them that I'm in, and I think that you are, but once the votes are counted the jig will be up, probably when votes are counted.

Tell all Allies to vote only Durezas regardless of team selection, I bet out communication will be cut off once the challenge starts.

I'm in until the end, no worries

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:31 AM, said:

maybe we should pick two players now...say kalse and Serc. If kalse wins immunity again ( i doubt it with this challenge, but just in case) we vote for alkend, ill send this message to everyone

also i reicieved this from merrid

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

pardon me for being a little bit arsey but didnt you lot just try to vote me off?

how ever i do see the value in teaming up to cut away the dead wood in both dureza and pendsador

What do you have in mind?

Ruse is saying he has recieved nothing from merred or anyone yet though

I have no intention of voting against a pensador, but if they think i do, more fool them.

making the votes even would be the stupidest thing we could do at this point

Liosan, on 28 April 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

I didn't know we could quote other PMs like that. Serc won't tell me who he's partners with.

I couldn't decide who to pick, I wanted Alkend for more strength, Ruse cause he's on our team, I picked Kalse becasue I think he's a Leader and Eloth was already picked. I don't think it will make much diff since its a reward challenge. I tried to consult w/ Ruse while he was on, but he didn't answer and I had to leave a while.

So our next target is Kalse, with Alkend as alternative incase of immunity. Agreed

Until tomorrow

And HiddenOne to Ruse, too.

Liosan, on 28 April 2011 - 01:20 AM, said:

Have any thoughts before I pick someone -

My ideas - Pick you for team unity - I assume you're down with the Alliance 100%

Pick Kalse so we have a leader on the team I'm on

Answer fast, I need to pick

Other ideas?

Ruse, on 28 April 2011 - 01:30 AM, said:

Sounds good.

Liosan, on 28 April 2011 - 02:15 AM, said:

sorry I couldn't wait, it wont matter anyway - Karatallid has the plan - we vote off Kalse at next chance with Alkend as an alternative if Kalse gets immunity

[Path-Shaper]

Vengey's plan to Roldom.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

pardon me for being a little bit arsey but didnt you lot just try to vote me off?

how ever i do see the value in teaming up to cut away the dead wood in both dureza and pendsador

What do you have in mind?

Well technically I tried to vote you off twice. But that is neither here nor there.

You were a last minute choice, due to the lock down that PS enacted. Our thought is for us to team with you guys and vote off the dead wood. We will keep everything nice and even 3 of us and 3 of you. We were thinking of voting players off like this

Eloth
Kalse
Tulas
Alkend
Okaros

Then when it is down to the 6 of us. Well it is up for grabs. Because honestly at that point I doubt any of us will trust the others.

What do you think?

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

not to mention at that point it will be up to the jury to decide who to vote for.

It would be silly of me to just vote out you durezas entirely. (though it would be significantly easier and perhaps safer for me to do so) when we get to the jury stage i will have no friends on the jury to influence the decision my way. That said openly voting off a pensador could place an enemy on the jury.

Now i dont want to sound too untrusting, but pensador has dureza at its mercy. we have the voting block. While its fair and nice to remove a pensador to make things even, it would put myself and others at risk. youve already tried to remove me once after all.

I am happy to remove those 5 players. but not in that order.

how about

kalse
eloth
alkend
tulas
okaros

that way us pensadors keep the uperhand till the final 6, and we wont have to worry about you pesky durezas attempting a coup, creating a tie and leaving it to luck like last time.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:23 AM, said:

Hmm I will have to ask my allies what they think but I don't see a problem with that. However you should know that I have been approached by some of your other allies and they have expressed interest in seeing if some of us would be interested in joining with them to off you guys. Honestly people in this game just don't seem to trust one another at all do they. I will pass your list on.

Which side is Mentalist playing? Both, no doubt.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Well I can tell you for sure that your alliance is as weak as you think it is. Right now several members of my alliance are busy making a deal with Kara and his group to off you lot and alkend and Kalse. We need a total of 6 in order to lynch. I don't think that you can trust Ruse, Kara or Liosan. But I do think that we can blind side all of them. I am currently allied with Alkend, and Serc. If you had one of the others approach Alkend and Kalse then we would have a 6 person voting block. I would much rather back stab half of each team. It just has a certain crematory to it. But I also would rather live. So if that means being the low man on the pole and then taking several players out so be it. I am in.


You know who I am but who are you? Tell Eloth that Alkend is Mental, and he just finished finals so he is good to go.

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:49 AM, said:

Are you loki?

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Heres the deal - You and only you are being offered this

I am in contact with Kara - he showed me your message to him and is planning on voting off Kalse then Serc. Pensador has the numbers.

You could ruin this by telling Kara what I am telling you. You have no idea the danger you would put us all in, because - Kara, Ruse and Liosan have a TIGHT alliance. Theres no breaking that. Pensador will stick together until we vote off your entire team.

Its after that when you will be vital. worst case scenario Pensador team goes to the final six and its

Eloth, Okaros and I

vs.

Kara, Ruse and Liosan

no telling what will happen.

But with you, I can guarantee you make it to the final 3. You, Me, and Eloth.

Again, if this gets out, then its your team gone and then the six of us bickering.

I put my trust in your hands. I am trying to throw you a life line here venge. I wont tell you my alt, If we make it to the final 3, then I will tell you.

I am currently playing along with Kara. We are voting Kalse - theres no block, if Kalse gets immunity, we are voting Serc.

You dont have to vote with us, but you should know the order of things. I will keep Pensador off you by doing this.
Kara is suspicious of Eloth going over to your team (Eloth will not, but is ok with bringing one into ours, lol)

I have told Kara that I agree and would keep an eye on him. I will tell Kara (after we lynch Serc and Kalse) that eloth told me that Ano or Alkend are in contact with him ( I'll say something like he wouldnt tell me who but its one of the A names or something)

We keep you safe until last, then we turn on them. We get to the final 4 and then you, Eloth and I take out Okaros

Final 3.

A bit long winded, but I am trying to reassure you.

Looking like Venge and Bent are really in this thing!

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:34 AM, said:

well then I am in.


and here I was also trying to woo Kara...

This is his last message to me were I assume that he is playing me and through me Serc and alkend and ano...

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

not to mention at that point it will be up to the jury to decide who to vote for.

It would be silly of me to just vote out you durezas entirely. (though it would be significantly easier and perhaps safer for me to do so) when we get to the jury stage i will have no friends on the jury to influence the decision my way. That said openly voting off a pensador could place an enemy on the jury.

Now i dont want to sound too untrusting, but pensador has dureza at its mercy. we have the voting block. While its fair and nice to remove a pensador to make things even, it would put myself and others at risk. youve already tried to remove me once after all.

I am happy to remove those 5 players. but not in that order.

how about

kalse
eloth
alkend
tulas
okaros

that way us pensadors keep the uperhand till the final 6, and we wont have to worry about you pesky durezas attempting a coup, creating a tie and leaving it to luck like last time.

I had a deal with Barghast to go down to the final 3 with him. But since he is gone I am more then willing to take my chances with you guys against Kara and his squad. So who do you guys want to vote off first.

Serc is Drek
Ano is DKT
I don't know who Kalse is I haven't had much contact with him. Barghast was the connection between us.

Kalse is a level 3 genuis.
Ano is lv 2 strength and a lv 1 genius.
Serc is a lv 2 leader a lv 1 genuis
Alkend is a lv 1 follower and a lv2 strength

I don't know what they all leveled up for the last go around other then Kalse.
I think that Ano might have gone to a lv 1 deciever but I don't know for certain.

I am fine going along with you guys to take them all out. I think that my chances are better to get to at least the final 4.

So who are we voting for first.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 02:42 AM, said:

Kara has shown me your interactions - To think that you had me third on your list, humph.

Also I hope that you see that Kara is trying to play you, keeping it 3 vs 4 at the end of his reply. (With me and Okaros being last. So heres the deal right no, we play nice and vote off either Serc or Kalse.

then we go after the other one.

its okay to keep talking with Kara - hes the leader of that group by far!

As long as you are in contact with him, he will save you until last, I hope.

then we take out Ano and Alkend, in whichever order.

then we pick off Kara, Ruse and then Liosan.

final 4. at that point I will reveal my alt to show you can trust me (believe me, you will know, mysterious laughter)

One point - I refuse to vote off Eloth. Tapper has been trustworthy and we plan to make it to the end.

[Path-Shaper]

Bent talking to Karat... playing him no doubt.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

Full disclosure to you Kara (but I'd prefer it to stay with us)

Since you and Eloth have connected with Okaros, I decided to keep contact with Eloth. He doesnt talk to me, or respond to what I comment on, but since he voted with us, I would say he's still trustworthy. I do worry though that he will make contact with one of the others.

I think if he does, he might clue me in as to with who, so if he says hes made contact with anyone, I suggest we try to get rid of them as soon as possibe. We wont be able to on the next vote, because if we pick his team mate, he could defect and bring us back to a tie, but after the next vote we should be fine.

I'll keep at him. Like I said he doesnt say much, but he seems to be open with me when he does talk.

For instance, he doesnt like the fact that he or I dont have any connections with Liosan. He tried to sew that little bit of distrust in the beginning, but I calmed him down a little. He hasn't mentioned it since, but I am keeping a close eye on him.

I thought about bickering about my distrust of Liosan, and seeing if he will take the bait. Let me know your thoughts.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

liosan is currently on top of my trust list.

Like myself, he has been contacted by a dureza and the first thing he did was tell me. i recieved this message

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

Merrid, on 27 April 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

So i would like to enter into an alliance with you and and liosan and ruse. I am paired up with serc and ano. If we form up a six person alliance and cut out the weaker members of both of our old tribes.

pardon me for being a little bit arsey but didnt you lot just try to vote me off?

how ever i do see the value in teaming up to cut away the dead wood in both dureza and pendsador

What do you have in mind?

Liosan was contacted by serc. with a similar message.

I currently have no intention of voting off a pensador. It would be the stupidist thing we could do at this point. bringing the tribes back to a tie and getting rid of our voting block and replacing it with a much shakier one.

But if we play them a little it does us no harm.

out of chat communication may be suspended when this challenge starts, so currently we are thinking to have our targets ready before tc starts.

we think but its open to a discusion if we are quick enough

Kalse, unless he gets immunity somehow, then serc.

what do you think?

as for baiting eloth with and Liosan messages...it could blow up in your face. im not sure if its worth the risk as it may create the conspiricay your trying to find. but give me warning if you are going to try it so i can be prepared.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

I wouldnt bait Eloth until we have the numbers. Kalse then serc is cool.

Unless Kalse gets immunity, in which case Serc then Kalse, right?

Tulas Shorn, on 28 April 2011 - 02:33 AM, said:

Fair enough. Can I tell you something that huts my feelings a little?

Maybe its because I am a girl, but not a single person has tried to contact me. I contacted Eloth and then you.

Not a single attempt to ally with me!

No big deal, I got in and we have full control of the game.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

sorry TS but if it makes you feel any better we were planning on contacting you once Shadows lies had been found out,

we wanted an intelligence bonus, shadow said he had one, and i was happy with that. once we figured out he lied, we went to u, but as you had already made inroads to join us, it may seem to you like no one picked you.

the only reason we picked shadow was because the cadre was my idea. and shadow had already allied with me. it seemed easiest to bring him into the fold then to try to get someone from outside.

I have no intention of follwoing the order merrid gave us, nor any intention of selling you down the river later on. we stick together and we win. easy as that

[Path-Shaper]

Vengey and D're.k

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Well I have a bite with Kara...

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

not to mention at that point it will be up to the jury to decide who to vote for.

It would be silly of me to just vote out you durezas entirely. (though it would be significantly easier and perhaps safer for me to do so) when we get to the jury stage i will have no friends on the jury to influence the decision my way. That said openly voting off a pensador could place an enemy on the jury.

Now i dont want to sound too untrusting, but pensador has dureza at its mercy. we have the voting block. While its fair and nice to remove a pensador to make things even, it would put myself and others at risk. youve already tried to remove me once after all.

I am happy to remove those 5 players. but not in that order.

how about

kalse
eloth
alkend
tulas
okaros

that way us pensadors keep the uperhand till the final 6, and we wont have to worry about you pesky durezas attempting a coup, creating a tie and leaving it to luck like last time.

Serc, on 28 April 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

Ah, that cheeky silencer...

Well one counterargument there is that the Ponderosas don't know who voted who and only see the TC thread, so they won't know it is him.

Anyways, it's worth negotiating to get a bit of a better deal but overall I'm okay with his idea, in and of itself. The weird surplus of votes on Kalse and then the voting out of Eloth is going to throw the rest of the Pensadors into disarray and mistrust, so the plan may not hold well beyond that point.

More from Serc to Ano.

Serc, on 28 April 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

Merrid's talking to Karat and he's being a manipulative bum but not completely closed to the idea:

Merrid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Well I have a bite with Kara...

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

not to mention at that point it will be up to the jury to decide who to vote for.

It would be silly of me to just vote out you durezas entirely. (though it would be significantly easier and perhaps safer for me to do so) when we get to the jury stage i will have no friends on the jury to influence the decision my way. That said openly voting off a pensador could place an enemy on the jury.

Now i dont want to sound too untrusting, but pensador has dureza at its mercy. we have the voting block. While its fair and nice to remove a pensador to make things even, it would put myself and others at risk. youve already tried to remove me once after all.

I am happy to remove those 5 players. but not in that order.

how about

kalse
eloth
alkend
tulas
okaros

that way us pensadors keep the uperhand till the final 6, and we wont have to worry about you pesky durezas attempting a coup, creating a tie and leaving it to luck like last time.

Any luck on the Ruse front??

From Karat to Merrid.

Karatallid, on 28 April 2011 - 02:50 AM, said:

what happened to the days when everyone in mafia trusted each other? lol

i understand, feel free to talk it over with your team mates. if we are to enter into this allience I would hope we would make each decision as a group as you seem to be doing now