[Path-Shaper]

twelve knows he has his work cut out for him, but he's still glad to be here.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 01:08 AM, said:

Oh. I'm exhausted. I can't believe that no one on the bastards suspects that I had a part in that little coup. I have the least to worry about for a while. I am currently allied with everyone on the tribe. I can't see where either Kalse or D'riss will ever turn on me without me spitting in their face.

LOL. How did I pull this off?

Now to go from top five to top 3. I would prefer to do it with Kalse or D'riss as I'm sure of their loyalties. Now to work on Ano.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 01:10 AM, said:

I have a question. Will the Hidden immunity idol be rehidden?

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2011 - 03:05 AM, said:

As far as you know, yes.

I did want to clarify one thing for you. The Mighty Roar ability only works on an enemy player participating in a Strength challenge. If the Ball uses strength at all, you will be fine, but if it does not, you will be wasting your Roar.

FYI.

This is a little over the top though... to D'rek.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 12:10 AM, said:

Great plan!!!

Go Bastards!!!!

Is Bent really wanting to switch roles?

Tulas Shorn, on 19 April 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

Go ahead and level me up to level 1 of the survivalist role. lets see how dirty I can get and still keep it secret, lol

Tulas Shorn, on 19 April 2011 - 12:58 AM, said:

Just a question - could I use my aility now to find out who Okaros voted for - its not important, I dont think I can, since its AFTER TC, but if I can still do it, I'd like to know if Kara is reading Okaros correctly.

Either way its not important, but its a good thing to know, as far as when is the latest I can use the ability, lol.

ansible acts stunned for D'rek and puts on a show.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Yeah, tell me about it.... TC was bizarre. Funnily, I haven't even considered searching for that idol yet... can't believe it's already out AND it's been used.

And I guess you're right, turns out that Ano's new role will be pretty helpful cause we need a bunch of STR players, it seems. Like I said on thread the lvl 2 ability is info-based and totally useless in challenges, the other one is straight +1 INT. Did you find out if Leader boosts your current stats or just adds more INT? Either way might not be a bad choice. I'm sure Genius is going to be cool at Levels 3 and 4 though so you should have a solid choice either way. Which one are you leaning towards? I guess you can use your EXP now, right? I'm probably going to save mine and wait for Level 3. Figure we might as well have a dedicated INT player.

I know you said you would try to divert the vote from me and it seems like that's been true so far (like the D'riss vote). I can't say voting anyone off makes me happy but obviously I would prefer it not be me. Is that still how things are looking?

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 01:00 AM, said:

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

And I guess you're right, turns out that Ano's new role will be pretty helpful cause we need a bunch of STR players, it seems. Like I said on thread the lvl 2 ability is info-based and totally useless in challenges, the other one is straight +1 INT. Did you find out if Leader boosts your current stats or just adds more INT? Either way might not be a bad choice. I'm sure Genius is going to be cool at Levels 3 and 4 though so you should have a solid choice either way. Which one are you leaning towards? I guess you can use your EXP now, right? I'm probably going to save mine and wait for Level 3. Figure we might as well have a dedicated INT player.

Yeah I could level up either right now and I will before the challenge. I was hoping to get more out of you than that, but I guess "info ability" will have to suffice. Sounds like that kind of thing that might be useful later but for now I think I'll level up Leader to L2.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

I know you said you would try to divert the vote from me and it seems like that's been true so far (like the D'riss vote). I can't say voting anyone off makes me happy but obviously I would prefer it not be me. Is that still how things are looking?

Everything's pretty much the same. It's not like voting anyone off makes any of us happy, anyways. We want to have more people than Pensador, after all, so we can choose who participates in challenge according to what stats are most important for the challenge.

Bent and Roldom agree that leveling up is cool.

Tulas Shorn, on 19 April 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

I agree. I am going to wait and level up to level 3 of my genius role. FYI.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

thats what im thinking, level 3 has got to be something awesome lol

Here twelve talks w/ Vengey who is being sneaky.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 12:08 AM, said:

Yeah Serc filled me in. That was completely unexpect about D'riss and the Immunity idol. So are we making plans on trying to find it ourselves this time? Does moral have anything to do with finding the idol? If so I have the same ability that Alkend has too.

Are you sure that we should use the moral modifiers on our own team members for group challenges? I know Kalse and D'riss are the next to go but I still rather win a challenge than lose one just to get one of them out. We still need the numbers for the merge.

Vengey's foolishness could get the best of him here. I think I need to clarify even tho it slightly impacts the game. I've already given the info to one person privately.

Merrid, on 19 April 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

I don't think that you are understanding me. In the last immunity challenge. I won the Immunity idol but we still had to vote off a member of our tribe. We will only use a - moral on our team if we have a challenge like that again, in order to make sure that the immunity idol stays in the GB. In straight up team who loses sends someone home challenge we still target the other team.

I don't think that there is another immunity idol. On the game there is one for the tribes then sometimes another one after the merge. No point looking for the stupid thing if it has already been found and used.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 12:50 AM, said:

Oh. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Merrid, on 19 April 2011 - 01:29 AM, said:

It should say another hidden immunity idol.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek spills the beans to Vengey. I was wondering how long she could keep it up...

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 12:55 AM, said:

Merrid, on 18 April 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

Mostly because I have alted almost all of us. It helps.

Should we compare notes?

Serc - D'rek
Merrid - Vengeance
Alkend - Mentalist
Anomander - Loki
Barghast - twelve
Kalse - ansible
D'riss - dkt

is what I've got for our tribe, and

Karatallid - Silencer
Liosan - HiddenOne

for the other tribe.

Merrid, on 19 April 2011 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ah Drek of course. I hate to say this but I thought that you might have been HD.


So yes.

Merrid - Vengeance
ALkend -Mental
Barghast -twelve
Anomandarer - I thought was tapper is it loki? I don't know how to spot her.

Kalse - I have no idea

Driss - Dkt? Really well I can't alt him very well so sure

Liosan is definately hidden one. He reacted quite strongly to a couple of things that I said

Kara as silencer...really ok. I usually need more time around him in order to guess him.

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

Merrid, on 19 April 2011 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ah Drek of course. I hate to say this but I thought that you might have been HD.


So yes.

Merrid - Vengeance
ALkend -Mentala
Barghast -twelve
Anomandarer - I thought was tapper is it loki? I don't know how to spot her.

Kalse - I have no idea

Driss - Dkt? Really well I can't alt him very well so sure

Liosan is definately hidden one. He reacted quite strongly to a couple of things that I said

Kara as silencer...really ok. I usually need more time around him in order to guess him.

Well I'm not completely sure of anything, but those are my guesses. And if you didn't know it was me, what was all that "aren't you glad you are trusting me enough to work with me" - I thought that was a reference to me getting you lynched when you were the FM-hunter a few games back! (Also HD isn't playing)

Merrid, on 18 April 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

Oh by and by There is a chance that we might be in your neck of the woods come memorial day weekend. I have a second cousin who is graduating Highschool and my cousin asked if we would come down. Are you going to be in town then?

When is this memorial weekend?(we don't do it in Canada)

ansible has no trouble flipping alliances as necessary. Looks like they're going to double-team Anomandaris.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

I'd like to break my alliance with Alkend.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

I'd like to forge an alliance with Anomandaris.

[Path-Shaper]

Here we have incorrect speculation on the merge timing.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 12:03 AM, said:

so you think the next few challenges will lose a player from each side?

Ruse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

It would make sense.
I think we merge with either 4 or 5 player per tribe left. We started with 9 in each tribe and that would make 8 or 10.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

we may need to decide who in our cadre is expendable...in case we need to trim

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 02:00 AM, said:

see what there choice of abilities are, but theres not much between them

Ruse, on 19 April 2011 - 02:24 AM, said:

I think they are the same right now, so maybe see if they are opening a new path or leveling up.

twelve shares more info.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

Hey I have a call in to PS. If the hidden immunity gets rehidden then I think that the three of us should look for it again when we have maximum morale. If we can get that again then we won't need Ano. Well it will just even up the numbers but I'm sure that you would be willing to risk a tie breaker over being down in the numbers. When I get the answer I'll let you know. Hope you enjoyed the info I got from the Bastards. They are now being oh so helpful.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

Alright, that's really good news. No wonder Alkend didn't buy anything I was saying. I guess I'll probably break with Alkend and forge an alliance with Anomandaris? Maybe D'riss and I can convert him.

Out of curiosity, what was "summed up in this list"?

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

Oh. Just peoples' abilities. I can cut and past that for you too. Sorry.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 12:17 AM, said:

It's cool I figured you probably just missed it. That is some crazy level of detail on our tribe...and they've even named their own alliance. The bastards. =P

I said on thread and to Serc that I have an info-based ability...hopefully it's vague enough to quell the interest in it for the moment. As soon as anyone else (Ano or Serc) goes Genius Level 2 though the secret will be out. For this reason I feel like I should try to play that card against Ano as soon as possible. Even if he tells everyone, they would have known anyway soon enough. What do you think?

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 12:49 AM, said:

We need to make as quick an inroad to him as we can.

Get this. To stop either you ro D'riss from winning immunity next time they want me to us my -1 morale modifier on you. I told them that doesn't make much sense for group challenges as we don't want to send anyone home.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 01:59 AM, said:

Alright, I've submitted my actions to P-S, conversation with Anomandaris is incoming.

That is crazy shit. I can't believe they are that paranoid about keeping a majority... Obviously I think that's a pretty bad idea. Is there any way for them to confirm if you did or not? If Merrid is lying on thread about wanting you to both us it on the ball-person then maybe you can reply similarly like, "Oh yeah Merrid, that's what I did, good idea," but in PMs maybe lie and say you used it on D'riss or me. I dunno how hard they're pushing you to do it so let me know what you end up doing/saying.

Looks like I'm going in the ball so hopefully I don't fuck up this challenge.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:30 AM, said:

He clarified. He only wants us to do that when we are fighting for individual immunity not group immunity. That makes more sense.. I don't know how I can get out of it. Hopefully we aren't in a strength competition with each other. I'll ask PS if the action is revealed to the group in the scenes. Maybe I can play it off as random and just be away during the first individual immunity. Or even better you get Ano to flip so I don't have to even worry about that and give the morale penalty to the others.

I've got a call into PS. I'm asking if the idol will be rehidden. If it is then I seriously think that you me and D'riss need to go for it when we have maximum morale. That Ace in the hole was very helpful. And if we get it again then we won't need Ano or anyone else to flip. That would even the numbers up. I bet then with a tied vote and the three of us willing to go for a tie breaker I guarantee someone on the other side will move to our side rather than risk being voted out by chance. Even if it goes to a tie breaker we wil have a 50-50 chance of moving into the majority. That will be the best odds we will have had all game.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

That is brilliant, I agree totally. The hidden idol is the real power in tribe dynamics so if we have it we can basically call the shots, at least to the point of getting good odds, like you said. And it even negates the need to flip somebody... damn. But that would still be better. I think we might get to Anomandaris but after the failures with Merrid/Alkend, seems like their little group is pretty tight. At least you're on the inside.

I guess we'll wait to see how the next individual challenge is structured before having to decide about the morale bit. Generally speaking unless the challenge is pretty specific, I probably have the worst shot of getting it out of you, me, and D'riss. So I could take a hit and it probably wouldn't matter. We'll see.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek pulls the cry trigger.

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:

Let's use my Rally Cry for this reward challenge, please. The boost in morale from winning it (and hopefully equivalent loss in Pensador morale from losing) will benefit us in the immunity challenge (assuming a tribe immunity challenge) so there's no sense in waiting until then to use it.

D'rek shares with the alliance.

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

Updated list, with Alkend & Barghy's level 2 challenger and my level 2 leader (which I'm not going to divulge to kalse or d'riss):

The Gentlemen Bastards:

Serc (Sabetha)
Genius
• Level 1

+1 INT
+another INT when working alone

Leader
• Level 1

+1 INT
does not lose morale from tribal councils

• Level 2

+1 STR
Rally Cry ability

Merrid (Locke)
Survivalist
• Level 1

+1 END
can boost tribe's morale by 1

• Level 2

+1 END
+1 Fire Starting

Alkend (Calo Sansa)
Follower
• Level 1

knows what allies' stats are

Challenger
• Level 1

+1 STR
+1 STR to partners in challenges,

• Level 2

+1 STR
Can lower the morale of any rival player in a challenge

Anomander (Galdo Sansa)
Genius
• Level 1

+1 INT
+another INT when working alone

Challenger
• Level 1

+1 STR
+1 STR to partners in challenges,

Barghast (Bug)
Survivalist
• Level 1

+1 END
can boost tribe's morale by 1

Challenger
• Level 1

+1 STR
+1 STR to partners in challenges,

• Level 2

+1 STR
Can lower the morale of any rival player in a challenge

---

Others:

Kalse
Genius
• Level 1

+1 INT
+another INT when working alone

• Level 2

+1 INT
second ability???

D'riss
Survivalist
• Level 1

+1 END
can boost tribe's morale by 1

• Level 2

+1 END
+1 Fire Starting

---

Deceased:

Hood's Path (Jean)
Survivalist
• Level 1

+1 END
can boost tribe's morale by 1

Challenger
• Level 1

+1 STR
+1 STR to partners in challenges,

Tiamatha

---


The "Rally Cry" ability works like this: whenever the tribe loses a challenge, I gain a Cry, which I can then expend on any later challenge and it gives the whole tribe a +1 bonus to all rolls. I can bank up to two of them, but I can't expend just one if I have two banked. Also they only work on tribe challenges and won't on individual ones. Pretty cool, right? I start with one charge and think I'm going to use it on this challenge, too (rather than saving it for the immunity challenge), since the moral difference we get from winning it will also help us win immunity.

[Path-Shaper]

Loki in trouble trying to shake it up.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:06 AM, said:

ACTIVATE - Top Chef

Because morale is important.


Also, can I lend my strength to Eloth - I know between Lio and I both Ruse and Eloth would get a +1 strength anyways but it seems I have to specifically lend it to Eloth.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:08 AM, said:

FORGE ALLIANCE - Eloth

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:10 AM, said:

BREAK ALLIANCE - Liosan

FORGE ALLIANCE - Karatallid

[Path-Shaper]

snake leveling up, too.

Okaros, on 19 April 2011 - 05:13 AM, said:

I would like to spend my exp to level up my survivalist role.

also, I'd like to activate the following ability:

Action - Top Chef

Loki is way late to the party.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Hey Karatallid,

I thought it might be time to start using my right to forge alliances.

Interested in being friends?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 April 2011 - 05:18 AM

[Path-Shaper]

twelve's on the right track here, but I didn't put anything in to account for intentionally looking for the clue.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 05:19 AM, said:

yes I think we should be at maximum morale before we look for it.

On a side note Serc leveled up to level 2 leader. He's got a cool ability that will help in group challenges. If we throw the reward challenge he will have 2 battle cries that will give everyone a +1 for each cry on each dice role for a maximum of two used per group challenge. I almost told him that we should deliberately throw the challenge to get the additional bonus but I'm thinking the reward challenge might give us an opportunity the find a "clue" for the hidden immunity idol. Should I suggetst throwing the challenge? There is no guarantee that the reward challenge will provide any real benefit.

What do you think?

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon decides to go Deceiver. Interesting strategy, he's generalizing a ton.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:27 AM, said:

That's what I thought


Also, I would like to spend EXP - I would like to open the Deceiver role.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:37 AM, said:

Clarification - Can I post that I have opened the genius role despite having open the deceiver role?

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

Of course.

Did you want to use Psych! to learn the Genius role's level 1 ability names?

DKT is still acting loyal to D'rek...for now? I wonder if they'll suspect Barghast... it almost has to be him or Alkend... unless they think Vengey is playing both sides.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 07:40 AM, said:

Ok.... D'riss is campaigning rather hard to get me on his alliance.
He says that he is confident that if i go over he will have a 4 vs 3 vote advantage.
There is definitely a leak, he even knows that i am "Galdo Sansa" ... which i find strange.

Looks like DKT is going to try and get some info about what happened. He asks Ment.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

what do you make of all this? with the idol being played?

Tapper's going for the Rallying Cry. So the tribe that loses this challenge will have a 1-charge advantage over the winning tribe... interesting.

Eloth, on 19 April 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 18 April 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

Just wanted to remind you, but you do have a 1-charge Rallying Cry available if you want to use it for this challenge. If not, it will still be available for the next challenge (and will be 2-charged if you lost).

I'd like to use it, thanks

Doesn't look like Roldom is interesting in allying with Loki at this stage.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 08:41 AM, said:

and i think from this message we can assume he baying for you

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

My understanding is that you can have two alliances at any given time. And if your allies have allies.... So I think it is worth considering that those who voted for Fener are most likely Ruse's allies - that would mean they have a majority vote now, wouldn't it?

The only other vote was for yourself, I think. Which I thought was surprising - given the type of challenges we have, I would have thought people would want to keep you and Lio in for as long as possible since you both bring decent bonuses that could help ensure that team challenges go in our favour.

im just playing the idiot whose only friend was shadow ATM, doubt he will buy it though

DKT enjoys being the deceiver. He's the only one who can max it out at this point so it will be interesting to see if he can survive a while.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

The Deceiver role is a double edged sword.

On one hand im sure not too many people have picked it and there are some really nifty "different" little abilities.

But then im not getting any stronger for the challenges and it doesnt give much to the team as a whole and it might cost us.
Dont want to hit the tribal council too often.

But im going to keep going with deceiver...maybe even max it out.
All the knuckle draggers can pull my weight.

lets just hope no one notices...

DKT feels like he doesn't want to betray Serc at this stage. Could be worth a vote later for some of his alliance.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 08:38 AM, said:

So ive got D'riss trying to recruit me to his team and serc thinking im looking for info for him.
Im probably going to be the swing vote.
Lets see how things turn out.

Im just going to play the two against one another.
As long as im in the middle i should be a target.

I am however still leaning slightly towards keeping to serc as a dont really want to go back on my "word" this early on the game.
If i can prove myself to him we can ride this train till the end....hopefully

DKT clarifies his ability.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 April 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

You have leveled up!

Deceiver - Level 2

Idol Hunter (A) - It's around here somewhere... You know that every reward challenge will give you a clue to the Hidden Immunity Idol's whereabouts. You will automatically search for this clue after every reward won and gain a bonus to find it.
For every clue you have, you will gain a +2 bonus to your Search Hidden Immunity Idol ability. You are not penalized if you fail to find the idol.

ok...so i get the + 2 bonus if i search for the idol...is that a permanent +2 ? or do i lose it if i use it and fail?

[Path-Shaper]

Roldom discusses things with Loki. I'd take most of what he says with a grain of salt.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 05:34 AM, said:

one can never have to many friends lol

what our your thoughts on leveling up?

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:40 AM, said:

We don't have a deceiver yet and Ihad thought of opening that but seeing as the challenges all require strength, endurance and intelligence and I don't know what the deceiver roll gives you I'm thinking I may open up genius to gain the tribe another +1 to intelligence.

How about you? Going to keep with the survivalist track?

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 06:01 AM, said:

with it being more expensive im hoping its going to have something awesome attached to it, but i have to wait till after this challenge which is a pain

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 06:08 AM, said:

You'd expect that it would. I'm thinking +3 edurance and a perk or two. I'm hoping to have a little of endurance, strength and intelligence in the hopes of having a level player for the final challenege (assuming I make it that far) but at the same time I'm starting to think it would have been a good idea to just pick a role and level it up. The final challenges will include strength/edurance/intelligence and having a great advantage in one might be enough to make up for the other two.

Plus, you also have to hope that the dice like you

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

if you spread out your abilities you will have about + 1 on each of the 3, if you specialise you will get +4 and some decent abilities

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 06:38 AM, said:

I'm hoping both are valid paths that lead to winning. I may have shot myself in the foot otherwise.

Originally, I had planned to max out the survivalist role but when the game started and there were four of us I thought it would be a bad move for more than one of us to continue on the same path - doubling up like that would have made the two survivalist prime targets for being voted off. Thankfully, it doesn't seem like people are looking to vote off survivalists because of there being so many, especially now that we all have varying abilities thanks to leveling up/opening new roles.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

plus theres not that many survivalists left, just the three of us. plus you and okaras have branched out

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 07:23 AM, said:

True.

I've been looking at the voting to try and see what the feeling is in camp. I've noticed Ruse has been nominated a fair bit but beyond that I can't see a real pattern. What do you think? This game is different to trying to figure out who is the town or scum seeing as we know we are all on the same side.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 08:10 AM, said:

its more trying to find out who is allied with who

ruse is a follower so he cant do anything, im guessing people are voting for him because he isnt adding anything to the challenges. who ever doesnt even consider him must be the alt he is bonusing

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

My understanding is that you can have two alliances at any given time. And if your allies have allies.... So I think it is worth considering that those who voted for Fener are most likely Ruse's allies - that would mean they have a majority vote now, wouldn't it?

The only other vote was for yourself, I think. Which I thought was surprising - given the type of challenges we have, I would have thought people would want to keep you and Lio in for as long as possible since you both bring decent bonuses that could help ensure that team challenges go in our favour.

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

i was pretty shocked being voted myself

2 alliances at any given time? crap i thought you could only make 2 alliances, ive been twiddling my thumbs since shadow got booted

Ill be honest, i voted for fener, simply because he was another survivalist when we had 4 and him and you both had identical abilities where everyone else at least has something new to bring into the game. I choose fener because he was the quietest, so i thought he would be talking the most off thread, having more allies, that said he got voted off, so unless he said something to piss off his allies I was wrong on that count

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

I keep having to ask PS for clarifications on what we can and can't do. And he has kindly taken it upon himself to let me know when I have gotten it wrong as well - the new format is taking a little bit of getting used to.

You may like to use your right to form another alliance - it might help you get an idea of who voted for you. I'm planning on doing the same - all I know is that I'm not apart of Ruse's circle and if they do now have the majority vote I'd like to be able to get a feel for who they plan to vote for next and either follow suit or try and steer them away from that person depending on who it is.

I really feel we need to keep strong players in the game for as long as possible. Once the tribes merge then it'll be different but if we can win challenges now before that happens it will help increase all of our chances of reaching the end.

At least, that's my current thinking.....

Karatallid, on 19 April 2011 - 08:58 AM, said:

as soon as the tribes merge its going to be dureza voting for pensador and vis versa

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

Yeah, you're probably right. But at some stage we'll need to start voting for our old team mates as well. By that stage challenges won't be as important and everyone will be focused on ensuring that they make the final. Which is when alliances will probably really come into play. It's about now that I'm starting to wish I had of done the alliance thing sooner.

[Path-Shaper]

Looks like D'riss is going to try a different path. He's on the right track, but needs to hit level 2 Deceiver before the idol hunt is any good.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 06:33 AM, said:

Use Exp +2 to branch into Deceiver please.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

Plus can I use Top Chef as well as search for the idol, or is it one or the other?

D, on 19 April 2011 - 09:24 AM, said:

If I decide to search for the idol does the timing matter? Say someone searched earlier on will they have a better chance than me of already having it if I search now?

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

You don't know if timing matters.

Only one. You have to pick.

Interesting... Liosan won't stay Challenger

Liosan, on 19 April 2011 - 11:38 AM, said:

The unnamed votes had me curious, as well. Now Gamelon has broken the alliance with me, wonder what that means. Maybe my non-committal response scared him off.

Do any other allaince members report contact from him?

I intend to branch out my role to cover noew territory, before long the group will be small enough to need variety instead of specialization I think.

Liosan, on 19 April 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

Spend EXP - I want to apply my 2 points to pick up the Survivalist class. I need the endurance for the struggle ahead

Bent's fine generalizing too. I'm pretty shocked people aren't pushing their classes to the max!

Tulas Shorn, on 19 April 2011 - 12:21 PM, said:

I dont want to max out Genius and go into the final few challenges using only intelligence. Also, Kara told us at level 2 survivalist he gained an ability where if he is in a tie at TC, he auto wins...I think it will be he and I at the last, so I want to make sure he doesnt have that advantage over me.

Tapper is going to play along for now with Loki.

Eloth, on 19 April 2011 - 08:30 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 05:21 AM, said:

Hey Eloth,

Fener had said that you and he were allies and seeing as my only allie is gone now I thought I might seek your input regarding challenges and voting in the future if you are open to it?

Sure, that would be appreciated!

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 08:44 AM, said:

Thanks.

I've been trying to look at the voting to try and see what the feeling is in camp. I've noticed Ruse has been nominated a fair bit but beyond that I can't see a real pattern. Other than who ever gets nominated along with Ruse always tends to get voted off. I know Ruse is a follower so he probably has at least two allies, and when you include allies of allies...it starts to make me think that Ruse and his allies have the majority vote. Which is fine as long as they don't want to vote me off Also, I was suprised that someone voted for Karatallid - I thought he and Lio would be the last two members that people would want to vote off seeing as how important endurance and strength are in the challenges.

What do you think?

This game is different to trying to figure out who is the town or scum seeing as we know we are all on the same side, so to speak.

Eloth, on 19 April 2011 - 08:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 08:44 AM, said:

Thanks.

I've been trying to look at the voting to try and see what the feeling is in camp. I've noticed Ruse has been nominated a fair bit but beyond that I can't see a real pattern. Other than who ever gets nominated along with Ruse always tends to get voted off. I know Ruse is a follower so he probably has at least two allies, and when you include allies of allies...it starts to make me think that Ruse and his allies have the majority vote. Which is fine as long as they don't want to vote me off Also, I was suprised that someone voted for Karatallid - I thought he and Lio would be the last two members that people would want to vote off seeing as how important endurance and strength are in the challenges.

What do you think?

This game is different to trying to figure out who is the town or scum seeing as we know we are all on the same side, so to speak.

Hmm, I had figured dibs had told you this. There's a voting block that may well approach majority around, and Ruse and Kara are part of it. I am able to talk to both, and they wanted to take out dibs because he posted least of all the options they had - mostly thanks to forum crashes and this game having the all important resolutions at a time that's not too easy to be online on for us euros.

I was all in favor of keeping dibs around for the morale bonus - I like blanket bonuses - but since Okaros was immune this time around, there were few people to deflect to, especially seeing how they wouldn't vote for someone in their own alliance.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 09:12 AM, said:

He mentioned that you had an allie that wanted to vote for him but he didn't say anything specific i.e who they were, only that it was because he didn't post a lot.

Also, I should probably let you know I have now opened a discussion with Kara as well.

I'm not sure what Ruse and Kara's criteria for voting someone off are but I hope it focuses on keeping team members who are going to be an assist to winning challenges. I was surprised that someone voted for Karat given his +2 to endurance. One of my concerns was that Kara or Lio were outside the main alliance group and might become targets since they are both very useful in challenges. Though my main concern is that by generalising I may not seem as valuable to other members. My reasoning behind it was to try and ensure that as the team got smaller there would be someone who could go in any leg of the challenge and possess a bonus towards that leg. I'm starting to think I should have specialised but then that would have def. made me a target since Kara has done that.

Too much intrigue!

Eloth, on 19 April 2011 - 11:59 AM, said:

Heh. Actually, I have no real clue who to vote off each time. It seems a bit of a waste of either good abilities that may allow us to equalise, or throwing away surplus quality we have over the other team to remain balanced.

Gamelon, on 19 April 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

To be honest, I would say Ruse was the best candidate to vote off since he doesn't bring anything to a challenge directly but I doubt that would have the support to succeed.

I'm starting to think I should take a note out of PS's book and roll dice to decided who to vote for and just cross my fingers really really hard and hope I'm not voted off instead

[Path-Shaper]

twelve is right here... eavesdropping is part of the Deceiver's repertoire... at high levels. Here he's talking to Vengey.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

So I've got some time to kill and was wondering. Who founded this alliance anyway? Who came up with the idea to call the alliance Gentlemen Bastards. That's an oxymoron if I have ever heard of one. I've also been thinking of post merge possibilities. Do you think it would be a good idea to have someone take the deceiver role just to see what it give you? Easedropping comes to mind with a deceiver role. That could be very useful against the other team.

What do you think?

DKT's thinking smartly here.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

well fuck me sideways

i guess ill be finding me an idol after this challenge then

twelve and tattersail talk.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 06:11 AM, said:

Yeah definately. Right, just to let you know, i've used the Top Chef action which means we will be at full strength Morale, does that mean we all look for it? How did you find it last time?

D, on 19 April 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

Quote

Yea i am supposed to be in an alliance. I was approached by hp on behalf of serc and a few others. I couldn't very well refuse or i would put a target on my back. Voting for you was simply tactical. It was nothing you did. Was just told you were the one to go and i should vote that way... Now im not so sure. What made you play the idol? Im shocked someone even has it this early. Was a great blind side

DKT is Ano, he trusted me with his name rather than alt. i'm working on him, I think he may defect over to us. HP approached him on behalf of serc

D, on 19 April 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

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haha...well you havent been scum then?
Since lying what you HAVE to do to survive.

Anyways... I hear where you are coming from.
Its a difficult decision for me to stab someone in the back because i would also like to play with some sort of integrity.
But i suppose i am one of the bigger bullshitters around so i would not have TOO much of a problem changing sides....sigh

Ideally i would not want to go to tribal council again and we can ALL go thru together to the merge.
That would make this decision moot.

aai

Ano says this. I have went back with an offer, the truth of what happened, and i won't vote him even when me merge, that is the same for you btw, i won't vote for you because you saved me. I'm thinking the merge will happen when both teams have 4 players, what are your thoughts on this and what I said?

D, on 19 April 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

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Well maybe if i knew how everything went down i would have a better idea of what i might want to do later on.

As for the merge...well yea we wouldnt voting for each other anyways we would get rid of the other tribe first ..heh heh

this doesn't fill me with assurances, and I wouldn't let information go without them. I'll keep working on it but will wait to hear from you before giving any info

D, on 19 April 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:

Are you searching for hidden immunity or increasing morale?

D, on 19 April 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

Donde esta mi amigo? another passage from Ano..

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I tell you what...at the very least i would be willing to not vote for you, worst case scenario is you get a tied vote between yourself and serc and leave it to chance.

I feel you are more genuine with me than what serc is...but i dont really want to betray him.

Im still trying to convince myself its a good idea to actually do a blind side on him...

still a while before we vote again i hope... and lots could change before then

So if they want to go at me again and Ano doesn't vote me then if Me, you and Kalse vote Serc or Merrid then we'll be at a tie, then Ano will make the decision, if we go after Merrid then Ano would be happy to vote him, let me know what you think

D, on 19 April 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

You don't have to increase Morale as Serc chose leader so HP getting voted off doesn't affect him. Just me and Merrid need to raise morale. You search away

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:16 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2011 - 06:11 AM, said:

Yeah definately. Right, just to let you know, i've used the Top Chef action which means we will be at full strength Morale, does that mean we all look for it? How did you find it last time?

I just submitted my action to search for it in bold. I got lucky and found it. I also used my top chef ability when the day started as well. If we win the challenge then we should all look for it. We have a better chance of finding it if all three of us look for it.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

Quote

haha...well you havent been scum then?
Since lying what you HAVE to do to survive.

Anyways... I hear where you are coming from.
Its a difficult decision for me to stab someone in the back because i would also like to play with some sort of integrity.
But i suppose i am one of the bigger bullshitters around so i would not have TOO much of a problem changing sides....sigh

Ideally i would not want to go to tribal council again and we can ALL go thru together to the merge.
That would make this decision moot.

aai

Ano says this. I have went back with an offer, the truth of what happened, and i won't vote him even when me merge, that is the same for you btw, i won't vote for you because you saved me. I'm thinking the merge will happen when both teams have 4 players, what are your thoughts on this and what I said?

Wait!!!! You told him that I gave you the idol and told you to use it?!?! That could be very bad for us if he is just playing us. Though from what I've read so far things are looking very good. I'll make sure to tell Kalse about this as well.

[Path-Shaper]

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:25 PM, said:

D, on 19 April 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

Donde esta mi amigo? another passage from Ano..

Quote

I tell you what...at the very least i would be willing to not vote for you, worst case scenario is you get a tied vote between yourself and serc and leave it to chance.

I feel you are more genuine with me than what serc is...but i dont really want to betray him.

Im still trying to convince myself its a good idea to actually do a blind side on him...

still a while before we vote again i hope... and lots could change before then

So if they want to go at me again and Ano doesn't vote me then if Me, you and Kalse vote Serc or Merrid then we'll be at a tie, then Ano will make the decision, if we go after Merrid then Ano would be happy to vote him, let me know what you think

It's looking like Kalse and I need to approach Ano. If all three of us go to him with a final 4 deal and are all straight with him and each of us tell him how Serc has been jerking all of our chains then I think we can land him. What do you think?

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Also I live on the West Coast of the United States. I've been alseep during the bombardment. I think a final four deal is very possible. I'll forward everything you told me to Kalse.

[Path-Shaper]

D, on 19 April 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

No. I haven't said a thing. When I do decide to say, i'll say either Merrid, Alkend or you gave me the idol, one of you three. I won't out you. I haven't said anything at present

D, on 19 April 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

I agree with this sentiment, he can be turned, he didn't want to join their faction in the first place, he feels forced into it.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

That's good. You had me freaked out for a second there.

If I talk with Ano I have to either break my bond with Kalse or Serc. If I break it off with Kalse then I can't talk to him anymore. If I break it off with Serc that would be a dead give away that something is in the works. I'll have to talk with Kalse and see how we can arrange our alliances so we both can talk to Ano and we can still talk to each other.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

Well who is Kalse talking to other than you?

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

I had just went back to find out. Looks like he is breaking his tie to Alkend to talk to Ano. I think his other tie is with Serc but I'm not sure. He hasn't checked in yet.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

How do you know he is breaking his tie with Alkend?

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

I checked back on some of the stuff that we talked about and he sent me a PM that was what he was doing. I had just forgot that he told me that.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Okay cool, when does he normally come online?

[Path-Shaper]

Kalse is working DKT now... will removing HP be the lynchpin that gets him to switch?

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

Hey man. how's it going? Tribal Council was crazy, no? I'm approaching you now mostly because of the way things are balanced after that TC... Honestly before this and at the beginning of the game, you made me a little nervous on thread, I couldn't really pin down what was going on. However, the truth is, I think we should team up. It's pretty obvious that D'riss is on the outs after TC, and I've been talking to Serc some and he basically told me that I'm on the outs too (as well as other bullshit...). I will tell you straight, D'riss and I are allies. You saw at TC how the tables got turned - so we have some tricks to pull but I know we would be stronger if you joined us. I don't know how things have gone for you on the other alliance, but we're at a point now where a lot of things can shift...

What are your general feelings on how things are going? Do you think you'd be willing to join us or are you pretty set on the other side? I think we have a real shot at forming a strong core that lasts through the merge...but we probably need your help. What do you think?

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ive been chatting with D'riss all day and the prospect of flipping over is a tempting one.

Im not really sure who i can trust tho...


Ive not really gotten a very cosy vibe from serc all game either....almost like he felt he was doing me a favour for letting me in.
But at the same time i was let in to his "group" and i dont want to be the "shmo" who back stabs.

So i take it its you, Barghy and D'riss in one group?

And on the other side it is Alkend, Serc and Merrid.

To be honest i was tight with HP he was the one that got hold of me to join the group.
Now he is gone i feel a bit ...uncomfortable.

Lets see how it goes, im considering it.... lets just say that.

twelve talks strategy to Serc.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

I just threw this by Merrid. With your leader role being pretty cool, wouldn't it be a good idea for Alkend to level up his follower role to level 2 as well just to see if it gets better? Also I think someone should chose the deceiver role. For some reason easedropping would be a very good ablility for a deceiver. What do you think?

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

Depends. Info roles aren't really that useful until the tribes merge, because we already know everything about each other. On the other hand, waiting until the tribes merge might be disadvantageous compared to leveling it up now and having a powerful L3 info role ready to go as soon as the tribes do merge. It would be good to know just what those roles are, though, if Alkend will tell us.

Tatter seems happy with Deceiver...

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

Excellent. I'll pick Genius as my pysch please. This is getting levelled up when and if I can

Now Tatter is working on DKT... hard.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 06:17 AM, said:

I don't know how much you can trust Serc. The thing is, there are 5 on that team, if you join us, I happen to know it would be 4 versus 3 in our favour, we have all the information from them.

When we get down to 4 then it will merge into one tribe, they think you are in tight with them, if you come over, you will a) know valuable information for us not be a shitbag ha ha, I didn't even know there was a faction within our team until I got a heads up yesterday.

Why do they call you Calo Sansa? Is it because they don't trust you with Alt names? I've let you know who I am, and you let me know who you are, that's cool imo.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

The name has got something to do with the book "the lies of lock lamara"
Serc named us after each of teh gentlemen bastards in that book... I dunno...i never read it but its just a little in house thing.

I would be willing to consider swapping over, but i already kinda gave my backing to serc.
And i dunno how comfortable i would feel voting for him... Let me think on it.

You seem very well informed and that makes me worry about your sincerity too.
Its not out of the question mind you... This is survivor mafia

Lets get thru the next few challenges and i will think on it.
As i said im not entirely trusting of serc, but then i am not entirely trusting of you either.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 08:35 AM, said:

Well, it's Serc's alliance, there are other people in it. I have been nothing but honest with you. I'm that type of player, I do well by being truthful. I've played 5 games now roughly and I don't think I have lied in one of them, must be my upbringing

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 08:42 AM, said:

haha...well you havent been scum then?
Since lying what you HAVE to do to survive.

Anyways... I hear where you are coming from.
Its a difficult decision for me to stab someone in the back because i would also like to play with some sort of integrity.
But i suppose i am one of the bigger bullshitters around so i would not have TOO much of a problem changing sides....sigh

Ideally i would not want to go to tribal council again and we can ALL go thru together to the merge.
That would make this decision moot.

aai

I *love* that Tattersail is doing this... promising a no-vote. DKT surely knows that if he votes off D'riss, he *can't* get double-crossed.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

I was scum with a partner in my last game, but I misinterpreted and thought I was looking for scum, so blatantly come out and said i'm one out of two cult hunters looking for the cult, I was scum but I didn't know and it worked, I survived all the way through until the end, it was not an intentional lie

How about I totally level with you and let you know how I knew about everyone voting for me and what really happened? If we are going to merge then it will be 4 players from each team I think.

You would be a great addition to our side, and i'll strike another deal with you, i'll not vote for you even when we do merge, if I do then you can come after me every mafia game from now on in. I won't vote you. How about that?

[Path-Shaper]

Heh, don't get so sure, DKT.... a lot of crazy things happen in Survivor, especially when you are down in numbers.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

Well maybe if i knew how everything went down i would have a better idea of what i might want to do later on.

As for the merge...well yea we wouldnt voting for each other anyways we would get rid of the other tribe first ..heh heh

twelve talks to ansible.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

So a quick update. D'riss is looking to be having success with Ano. Ano is DKT. I'll forward all his posts to you so you know what is going on. Then we can discuss after I unbury my work e-mail in box.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Who is your other link other than Anomandaris? I would like to forge a link with him as well but I would have to either cut my ties with you or Serc. If I cut ties with Serc that would be very bad as it will give away that I'm not on their side. If I break it off with you then I can't talk to you any more.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Cool, that is great news about D'riss and Ano. I just sent Ano a message finally and laid out a few things. I tried to be honest with him about me and D'riss (didn't mention you yet) because I think he's more likely to trust me after D'riss has talked to him. This could be great as long as he isn't playing us for information.

My other link is with Serc still, I haven't said much to him but I'm trying to play it like I'm still on the outs and just hoping he decides to spare me. I have no problem if you want to break with me and then go for Ano; I can break with Serc and forge with you instead. It's more important for you to stay undercover for now and Serc already knows I'm probably trying to find other allies. What do you think?

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

I think throwing the challenge is a bad idea actually... we could end up losing it anyway and then we can still go through with that plan. We don't know about the reward though, it's possible it could actually benefit us in the immunity challenge, which would be more important.

I agree about looking for the idol... possibly after the immunity challenge we should go for it. Hopefully no one finds it till then (Serc even told me he looked for it).

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:15 PM, said:

No don't break it yet. I think we need to play it cool until we are getting closer to needing his vote. I'm trying to needle some info out of Merrid. Now that I'm in I hope that he will be more willing to share info regarding team dynamics with me. See if there could be another weak link that we could work an angle on.

You might want to share your level two ablility with him. Give him something that I can verify if he's sharing with the group or not.

Though for some reason Alkend hasn't told the group about it. If his ablility to see stat info why wouldn't he share that with the rest of us. Unless he is the deceiver and didn't want to get outed yet.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

Here's what Ano said back to me:

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ive been chatting with D'riss all day and the prospect of flipping over is a tempting one.

Im not really sure who i can trust tho...


Ive not really gotten a very cosy vibe from serc all game either....almost like he felt he was doing me a favour for letting me in.
But at the same time i was let in to his "group" and i dont want to be the "shmo" who back stabs.

So i take it its you, Barghy and D'riss in one group?

And on the other side it is Alkend, Serc and Merrid.

To be honest i was tight with HP he was the one that got hold of me to join the group.
Now he is gone i feel a bit ...uncomfortable.

Lets see how it goes, im considering it.... lets just say that.

Does he already know that you are part of the alliance with me and D'riss? I specifically didn't mention you but I thought Ano was still under the impression that you were the new 5th member of the Bastards. I'll wait to confirm this with him till you reply.

Good idea about sharing that ability, it's a good time to play that. I'll see what he says.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yeah Serc even posted on thread that he looked for the idol. You are also probably right about the reward challenge. Though Serc says he plans on using his ablilty at the reward challenge. I was wrong about the name though. It's called rally cry not battle cry.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Tatts is D'riss, I totally had a suspicion but wasn't sure. I think Serc is MTS.

Yeah I think Serc has played too loose with his info, hopefully it backfires on him in the end. If we can really trust Ano then we'll bring him in fully, but yeah, between you me and D'riss we should keep sharing as much info as possible.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I didn't tell him. D'riss may have hinted that there was a third but he told me he didn't name names. Ano must have figured it out. It's not rocket science that someone did. I was actually expecting someone to figure it out. That was why I was so surprised I was brought into the fold so quickly.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ah, okay, good to know. I didn't confirm or deny either way yet. Maybe they do have suspicions but they're trying to play YOU by letting you think they don't know you are undercover. Who knows, too many possibilities. I just let Ano in on the voting ability so if it trickles down we know there's trouble.

[Path-Shaper]

DKT on his place in the game.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

Sigh....welll im getting recruited HARD by D'riss and Kalse. And i am already in another faction THATS how i know im a swing vote

But im not too keen on being the back stabber just yet.
Im pretty much playing both sides right now which suits me fine, it means that everyone wants my vote, wich in turn means i am not going home.

Hopefully im sitting in a decent position to go forward. I dont feel like im in any danger.
Time will tell

He's clearly leaking to Serc...

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 07:40 AM, said:

Ok.... D'riss is campaigning rather hard to get me on his alliance.
He says that he is confident that if i go over he will have a 4 vs 3 vote advantage.
There is definitely a leak, he even knows that i am "Galdo Sansa" ... which i find strange.

Hrm. 4v3 huh. Kalse would obviously be with him, so that would imply he's got one of us with him and you be #4. Of course he might be saying the same thing to the other, but having nickname information means someone is already in his camp. I trust Merrid up the wazoo, and could tell if he was being sneaky behind my back anyways (Vengey is just plain terrible at poker), which leaves either Alkend or Barghast. My money is on it being Barghast, but I can't rule out the possibility of it being Alkend. I think we can set up a trap to figure out which one it is, but probably not until the next tribal council, and god help us if the immunity idol is played again!

It's up to you how you want to play this. You could fake agreement and try to take them out from the inside, but they're probably pretty suspicious of that already and would ask you to prove your loyalty by giving them lots of info and maybe doing something more. You could rebuff them completely and then we'd see what their next desperate move is, as well as maybe note if Barg or Alk suddenly get a lot more friendly in the alliance. Or you might just want to try and stall them until the next tribal council. Just let me know what you pick.

For now, let's keep this between you, me and (if you have no objections) Merrid. Talk to Alkend as naturally as possible so he doesn't know we're suspicious of him. Sound good?

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Yea ive been leading them on and telling them that i might flip and i am not sure yet etc etc
Oh...and Kalse just formed an alliance with me too, so they both sweet talking me.

Im giving them info that is useless to seem more amenable... but they think i have not told you anything about them talking to me.

lets see what they say.

Im gonna go for the idol after this challenge. If i do get it.....things can get a whole lot more interesting

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

sounds good. You mind if I tell Merrid?

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

No problem...


should i form an alliance with merrid too?....i have only made one myself and thats with you. I should have one left

D, on 19 April 2011 - 02:33 PM, said:

has Serc been "off" with you? In terms of communication when he voted me he was giving me wishy washy answers and not talking much, who are you also talking to other than me and Serc now that HP has snuffed it?

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

I am in communication with Serc, Kalse, Alkend and yourself

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

he hasnt been of with me, he just doesnt talk much... but then he aint online much either so im not looking too much into it.

I think he is a bit worried now.

He doestn seem to think there is a "leak" in our alliance even though its fairly obvious...meh

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

So much goes on behind the scenes, it'd be better if they posted in our forum more. You do, I do, others do, but a lot of them don't. How do you reckon we'll do at the challenge? I think we'll win to be honest.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

i dunno... i think so much depends on the dice though.

Hopefully we win...will help us into the next challenge with higher morale

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

Yeah definately

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 April 2011 - 03:41 PM

[Path-Shaper]

twelve now realizes they need a plan if ano falls through.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Kalse is back on. He's talking to Ano now. Apparently Ano has figured out I'm your third member. It still sounds like he is willing to come over though. I just hope that he isn't going back and telling the others about me. So right now Ano is in the best position in the game.

So we need a contingency plan in the event that he doesn't flip. I can use the info that you are telling me to give to the other to throw Ano under the bus. We need to protect ourselves first.

twelve has to be careful here... Serc's playing him.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

So you think Alkend is not being very forthcoming with his info? That doesn't sound very good. No wonder you were trying to set him up to be thrown under the bus at a later point. That would be some seriously shady behavior.

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

So you think Alkend is not being very forthcoming with his info? That doesn't sound very good. No wonder you were trying to set him up to be thrown under the bus at a later point. That would be some seriously shady behavior.

I wasn't setting him up, that was just me lying to you since you weren't even partly in the alliance at the time and I didn't want to give anyone a clear picture of who was in the alliance. In any case though, Alk has been reticent with his role info, but that's just Mentalist being his overly cautious self. If tribal-important stuff came up, he'd tell us.

Barghast, on 19 April 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

Oh Okay. That is good to know. I can understand keeping something to yourself so it can't be used against you later.

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Why did i make you nervous in the beginning?

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:33 PM, said:

Well, I'm glad you're being honest. I know what you mean about backstabbing - I mean, who wants to be the guy who betrays his alliance, right? But the truth is that like you said, Serc is already giving off vibes like he's not being totally honest. I know it's better to stick with your first choice, but I honestly think that you stand a better chance of surviving (and not getting betrayed) if you join with us.

I'll let you in on some info - you haven't gone to Genius Level 2, right? The "info" ability I got lets me see one person's vote at Tribal Council. I had no idea that HP was close with you (or really, much of anything about the other alliance...), but that was who we ended up voting for. I did check HP's vote last TC before voting myself (he voted for D'riss). So we have a little bit of power held back that we can use. I want you know I'm not just trying to mess with you - I really do think that we can stick together and survive.

Like you said, Serc's behavior is iffy and who knows what will happen after the merge. I can tell you that we plan to stick together past that though, and we'd be happy to have you with us.

Kalse, on 19 April 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

Haha, it was mostly just a lack of info... It seemed like you weren't being that forward with your role or abilities at first, and then you missed voting at the first TC, so I was just like, what's going on here exactly? I didn't realize there was a solid alliance going yet and so I even thought that maybe you were my "competition" to get into the alliance or something (since we had the same role). Little did I know...

Honestly since you've posted on thread more and more info has spread around I haven't gotten that feeling from anyone, really. It seems like fairly clear lines have been drawn (even if not "on thread").

Anomandaris, on 19 April 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

aah yea...posting times are messed up for me...everything (and i mean everything) is happening while i am away...sux man

HiddenOne wants to win today.

Liosan, on 19 April 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Use morale bonus for today

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek's letting Vengeance know what's up.

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

From Ano:

"Ok.... D'riss is campaigning rather hard to get me on his alliance.
He says that he is confident that if i go over he will have a 4 vs 3 vote advantage.
There is definitely a leak, he even knows that i am "Galdo Sansa" ... which i find strange."

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

He doesn't klnow it is you, he is guessing. He has out of Merrid, Alkend and you to guess. I have just found out though that he is talking to me, Kalse, Serc and Alkend. He said he wouldn't vote for me which is good. If this is the case, you Kalse and I will end up voting for either Serc Alkend or Merrid and that should be the majority.
You used to play with DKT on past games did you not? What do you make of him? He seems alright to me.

D, on 19 April 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

If he doesn't flip then he will be dead under the bus but I think he'll come over.

[Path-Shaper]

OK Challenge time!

Ruse rolls a '2' on the Idol Hunt. Serc rolls a '9.'

Serc, on 19 April 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

Before the reward challenge, thus before the morale boost from our survivalists. So I'm at -2 morale for the search but then still get the boost for the reward challenge.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 April 2011 - 04:07 PM

[Path-Shaper]

On paper, this looks like a Dureza win... they have the strength advantage.

Reward Challenge
Leg 1 - S:120

Dureza:
Kalse gets +1 bonus for solo INT
Barghast gives +1S to Anomandaris, Alkend gives +1S to Serc
All players gain +1 Rally
Alkend has only +1 Morale (after Mighty Roar)
Total Bonus: 9 (Morale) + 6 (S) + 2 (S,Challenger) + 3 (INT) = 20

Pensador:
Tulas shorn gets +1 bonus for solo INT
Gamelon gives +1S to Eloth, Liosan gives +1S to Ruse
All players gain +1 Rally
Liosan has only +1 Morale (after Mighty Roar)
Eloth has only +1 Morale (after Mighty Roar)
Total Bonus: 8 (Morale) + 4 (S) + 2 (S,Challenger) + 3 (INT) = 17

Dureza 120 | 5 + 5 + 3 + 10 + 20 = 43 | 77 | 8 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 20 = 38 | 39 | 9 + 9 + 3 + 4 + 20 = 45 | -6 => 0.133
Pensador 120 | 8 + 8 + 4 + 3 + 17 = 40 | 80 | 5 + 9 + 5 + 3 + 17 = 39 | 41 | 1 + 3 + 6 + 7 + 17 = 34 | 7

Leg 2 - E:60

Dureza Total Bonus: 6 (Morale) + 4 (E) + 3 (INT) = 13
Pensador Total Bonus: 6 (Morale) + 4 (E) + 3 (INT) = 13

Bonus!
Dureza 60 | (3 + 5 + 13) * 0.133 = 2 | 58

Dureza 56 | 6 + 9 + 13 = 28 | 28
Pensador 7 | 5 + 9 + 2 + 1 + 17 = 34 | -27 => 0.794

Bonus!
Pensador 60 | (2 + 3 + 13) * 0.794 = 14 | 46

Dureza 28 | 10 + 8 + 13 = 31 | -3 (wins)
Pensador 46 | 4 + 3 + 13 = 20 | 26

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 April 2011 - 04:36 PM