[Werthead]

Reprezent:



HBO inadvertantly let this out of the bag early, but interesting to finally see the Free Cities a decade and a half after people got to Dany's first chapter and got confused over where on the map they were

[Gothos]

Myr seems to be in kind of an odd place - really nothing special where the city is. I'd put it in that small bay / river mouth a bit north from it's position...

[Hocknose]

That's good to see...am doing a re-read at the moment so it helps quite a bit...

Seems very sparsely populated compared to Westeros (unless they're only showing the major cities).

Cheers Werthead

[Gothos]

Sparsely but I do think that the cities themselves are a lot bigger than what Westeros sports. Each of the Free Cities is probably easily bigger and wealthier than King's Landing.

[Werthead]

Yup, the areas around the Cities are well-inhabited but there are large, inhospitable areas of plains and wastelands between them.

Not all the cities are marked though. Volantis is further south-west at the mouth of the River Rhyone, around which the lands are fertile and populous (though east of the river there are few settlements as the Dothraki Sea opens up there). There's also Norvos and Qohor both in fairly fertile lands roughly due east of Pentos.

[Gothos]

Also Ibben should be an island way further north aye? And Valyria some badly struck land roughly in the continent's centre of weight, if at sea as well - maybe kinda Korel craters style?

[D'iversify]

Braavos is further north than I imagined, but still fits reasonably. Ibben is, I believe, too far north as well as too far east to be shown on this map (I remember some vague analogy of, if Westeros is at the same latitude as Britain, it being at a similar latitude and longitude to Finland).

Valyria is on an earlier map from A Storm of Swords (and yes, it's also a post-cataclysmic mess): http://daelstorm.the...20(colored).jpg

[Werthead]

Yup, Ibben is about a thousand miles due east of Skagos, which puts it way off this map.

Valyria is a good few thousand miles from the Free Cities and is also way off this map to the south-east (IIRC, the analogy is that if say France was the Free Cities, Valyria and Slaver's Bay would be roughly where India is, maybe even further east).

[Gothos]

Hmm, I think I might've had the scale wrong alltogether in this setting. Is there any (rough) world map that puts the known regions relative to each other in one scale?

[Werthead]

Gothos, on 06 April 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Hmm, I think I might've had the scale wrong alltogether in this setting. Is there any (rough) world map that puts the known regions relative to each other in one scale?

The Wall is 300 miles long, so you can use that as a scale bar. That puts the distance from the Wall to the south coast of Dorne at around 3,000 miles. The coast of the Free Cities is between 1,500 and 2,000 long from north to south. On the Slaver's Bay map, the distance from Yunkai to Meereen is 160 miles. That's about as good as we've gotten so far

[MTS]

I must admit, I was thinking this was talking about the Genabackan Free Cities, so was very confused until I saw it was in the GRRM subforum.

That's pretty cool though, it always bothers me not having a map for some places as a reference point, like in Black Company, Mistborn (I think), Gentleman Bastards etc.

[D'iversify]

Werthead, on 06 April 2011 - 02:55 PM, said:

Gothos, on 06 April 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Hmm, I think I might've had the scale wrong alltogether in this setting. Is there any (rough) world map that puts the known regions relative to each other in one scale?

The Wall is 300 miles long, so you can use that as a scale bar. That puts the distance from the Wall to the south coast of Dorne at around 3,000 miles. The coast of the Free Cities is between 1,500 and 2,000 long from north to south. On the Slaver's Bay map, the distance from Yunkai to Meereen is 160 miles. That's about as good as we've gotten so far

Also, I recall, Westeros has been equated in size to South America.

[King Bear]

D, on 06 April 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Also, I recall, Westeros has been equated in size to South America.

Wow. That's larger than I thought.

[Werthead]

That's the infamous GRRM roughspeak He meant the length of South America, which is about 4,500 miles from the Panama Canal to the southernmost tip. Westeros is 3,000 miles from the Wall to the Summer Sea, but there's at least 1,000+ miles of additional territory to the north before it vanishes under the northern polar icecap. Westeros is also fairly narrow: the widest point is about 900 miles, but it's mostly narrower than that. South America's widest point is more like 3,000 miles though. Westeros has far less land area.

Essos is fricking huge though. At least as large as Eurasia and probably bigger.

[Werthead]

A full-on speculative world map, based on the new map of the Free Cities from ADWD.

[Ceda Cicero]

Werthead, on 28 June 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

A full-on speculative world map, based on the new map of the Free Cities from ADWD.

Awesome, awesome work, Wert.

Looking at that, for whatever reason, the first thing that popped into my head was "What if George pulls a MIDNIGHT TIDES halfway through DANCE and the latter half of the book is set in Asshai or Ibben or some brand new continent even with all new PoVs and a completely new series of plots AAAAAGH?!?!"

[Gothos]

Ok this is awesome. Though I never thought Norvos and Qohor were inland, somehow. Perhaps I took all of them free cities as maritime powers like Genoa and Venice.

[Werthead]

Gothos, on 29 June 2011 - 06:13 AM, said:

Ok this is awesome. Though I never thought Norvos and Qohor were inland, somehow. Perhaps I took all of them free cities as maritime powers like Genoa and Venice.

They're on the Rhoyne (or its tributaries), and controlling the Rhoyne is almost as important, as it's a huge important trade artery through the middle of the continent.

[Ceda Cicero]

This... is my new all time favorite map.

[Mentalist]

Ceda Cicero, on 11 July 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

This... is my new all time favorite map.

I can totally see a Crusader Kings-type game based on this map.