[Defiance]

While that may be true, if Quick is in another body than Delat's, then he simply exchanged bodies with another person of 7C origins. I don't think there's any real textual evidence that suggests he's in the body of anyone other than Ben Delat. While he did evade his sister, I took that to be a "quirky family problems best left untouched" sort of thing, rather than him being in a different body.

If Ben Delat was just another soul in the body, then, at some point during his youth, another wizard (whoever the 7C body's owner is) would have had to take his soul. What would the purpose of this be? True, Quick was a genius kid, but if you're a wizard going around collecting souls, I'm sure you're going to be far more interested in other, more (apparently) prominent wizards.

Given that Ben Delat, at least for some time, established himself as the prominent personality, I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that it's his body in the first place. Otherwise, we'd have an unknown wizard of 7C origins who, at some point, took the soul of Ben Delat. Ben Delat then convinced/forced the soul of the man who gathered his soul to let him be the dominant personality. Then, in a different body, Ben Delat absorbed the souls of those 11 other mages, making him have 13, not 12, souls. Given that Anomander only detected 12 souls within him, it'd be quite the feat to hide a thirteenth.

Unless you're suggesting that Ben Delat was one of the wizards whose soul was shifted into the body during the trek across Raraku. In which case, you'd think there'd be more signs from Kalam throughout the series, as he knew Delat beforehand. It wouldn't be an easy transition to see your friend as the dominant personality in another body.

I hope that makes sense.


Anyway, I've proceeded on the assumption that the other souls within Quick Ben have added to his complexity. Having the memories of eleven other wizards is going to change you in a lot of ways, even if your original personality remains dominant.

[Lady Bliss]

Ah but remember the ebony skin and the fact that ST has called him a shapeshifter.... that could support the theory that he is using a glamour like L'oric. And WJ did say that Kalam was working with QB when they went through Raraku.

I'm probably wrong, but you have to get all the crazy theories out.

[Nyarlathotep]

Hmmmm. This thread's really made me think. Keeping in mind SE has said there's not enough information in the books to work out who Quick Ben is but I'm gonna give it a go anyway. This will probably get convoluted. Ok, Quick always appears human whereas it's noted that Pearl (and Topper?) have andii in their heritage. He can access Kurald Galain which you can't if you're human. I don't remember if Pearl can do this. Help me out with this, folks. If Pearl can't, would that mean you have to be a pure blooded andii to access it? Quick has 12 souls in him. 2 are unnamed. I think it's unlikely that either of them is a tiste of any description as it would appear to be unusual enough in Wu to come across them and not comment about it. 1 is specifically descibed as a half blood jhag. Bearing in mind the comment above about pure bloods and accessing Elder warrens, I don't recall Quick ever using Omtose Phellack. Another soul is described as being soletaken. I'll come back to that below. Quick has been described as having a whiff of soletaken about him but there is never any mention of that spicy scent. Does anyone remember if that scent comes during veering or if it's always present while in the soletaken form? Quick is at the Spar of Andii at the beginning of TCG talking to someone he calls Mother which is probably Mother Dark. Could it be possible that Quick is a pure blood tiste andii who's soletaken form is human? If Ho can be a human d'vers, if Gruntle and followers can veer from many to 1, wouldn't a tiste andii be able to take a human soletaken form? There is a reference to a SE quote "When have we NEVER seen Quick Ben shape shift" earlier in the thread.
Another thing to think about. Silverfox is another being with multiple souls in her. Tattersail, Nightchill and Bellurdan. Silverfox isn't Tattersail. She is reminiscent of her and the Tattersail soul seem to be the strongest influence in her. I'm sure there's a scene in MOI where the Nightchill part takes over and all the anger and vengence spills out. With 12 souls inside him Quick Ben would also have access to their memories but I'm not sure about their powers. Silverfox doesn't come across as having the powers of an Elder God or have Bellurdan's powers. Remember that soletaken soul in Quick. Would that ability transfer through the soul or is it his own power?
The reference to his sister. I can't remember enough about that episode to comment but I'm sure an earlier post mentioned he avoids her. Perhaps, because the memory sequence is from 1 of the souls and she wouldn't recognise him? As for the reference to "WE" at the beginning of TCG, ouch!, my head hurts!!! Feel free to bash this thought and sorry it's all over the place. I'm sure I coulda summed it up better.

[Azathmaster]

Actually

Spoiler

the squad mage in Nait's squad in ROTCG can us KG but its never explained why

[Sinisdar Toste]

Azathmaster, on 31 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Actually

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the squad mage in Nait's squad in ROTCG can us KG but its never explained why

Well is he not a

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true priest of elder night? and he keeps drinking all that horse blood that is probably from a horse he killed in some ritual to draconus or w.e. blood is the path with elder things.

also, i don't know if pearl ever uses KG, but i'm pretty sure topper does, and he's only half andii.. there's probably a certain amount of dilution the blood can take, until you have to start using rituals.

This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 01 February 2012 - 01:13 AM

[Azathmaster]

I thought

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the horse blood was to keep everyone safe from KG as they were close to the epicenter of KG in that area and he drank extra so the ritual wouldn't kill him. The ritual may have been in two parts though, and killing the horse was a sacrifice to MD/Draconus/whoever leads KG at that point to get access to KG and because it was sacrificed its blood is sanctified so whoever has it within them cannot be harmed by KG.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Azathmaster, on 01 February 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

I thought

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the horse blood was to keep everyone safe from KG as they were close to the epicenter of KG in that area and he drank extra so the ritual wouldn't kill him. The ritual may have been in two parts though, and killing the horse was a sacrifice to MD/Draconus/whoever leads KG at that point to get access to KG and because it was sacrificed its blood is sanctified so whoever has it within them cannot be harmed by KG.

I could see that being the case. I wonder if ICE will ever bring him back

[Mason of Death]

Back to QB, something I noticed was that when Elder (comparatively speaking) beings recognize Quick, the name they seem to all use is Delat. Not sure if it's of any relevance, but I for one will be on the lookout for a Delat when I get my hands on the first Kharkanas novel.

[D'rek]

Mason of Death, on 06 February 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Back to QB, something I noticed was that when Elder (comparatively speaking) beings recognize Quick, the name they seem to all use is Delat. Not sure if it's of any relevance, but I for one will be on the lookout for a Delat when I get my hands on the first Kharkanas novel.

Unfortunately, I believe Torahaval was referred to with the family name Delat (at the part talking about how the family sent her to chase him down and beat him up), so it doesn't seem to be unique to Ben. I think in ST's case he calls him Delat because when QB was part of the Shadow priesthood/Cult of Rashan/Cult of the Empty Throne he was known within the cult/priesthood as Delat, and since that is (one of) the major reasons ST is always so pissed at him that is the name he uses most.

[Mason of Death]

Yes, but Ruthan recognizes him as Delat, as well as...damn, just lost it. I swear . Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but just because he has Delat for a name as a kid doesn't mean he can't have it somewhere/somewhen else.
Mason: Well be looking irrespective of the evidence.

This post has been edited by Mason of Death: 06 February 2012 - 10:00 PM

[Silk]

well there was an entry chapter poem/musing written by a Delat that seemed to be ages old..... and its only after Ruthan here's QB mentioned by his full name with the Delat in it that he clicks to the bigger picture.....

[Sinisdar Toste]

I thought ruthann clued in at the 'adaephon' or was that not in the quote?

[Silk]

thats the one .... my quote fu was weak

[gandrin]

Sinisdar Toste, on 07 February 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I thought ruthann clued in at the 'adaephon' or was that not in the quote?

I'm pretty sure it was the "Ben Delat" part that he accented.

I was always intrigued how people seemed to swat at flies or hear birds when they were talking about QB. I was expecting him to be a D'ivers of flying creatures or something.



Sorry, I didn't read all 7 pages... but did somebody mention Lostara saying "Pearl?" when looking at Quick (DoD)? Do we have any idea why she said that?

This post has been edited by gandrin: 08 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

[haysdm]

I notice something that a lot of you have pointed out as being needed because QB can acess an elder warren and that is being part tiste which I believe is not necessary.

Deadsmell is a human who upon the "death" of hood was able to use omtose phellack. I believe this is due to the personal connection he made with hood during his time of dressing the dead. Therefore, I believe it's probably more likely that QB has made a deal or personnal connection with MD than it is him being part tiste.

I may be wrong however since QB is said to possess dark skin like a tiste (I believe).

[Salt-Man Z]

haysdm, on 08 February 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I may be wrong however since QB is said to possess dark skin like a tiste (I believe).

QB has "black" skin in the African sense. The Andii have black skin in the literal sense.

[haysdm]

Salt-Man Z, on 08 February 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

haysdm, on 08 February 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I may be wrong however since QB is said to possess dark skin like a tiste (I believe).

QB has "black" skin in the African sense. The Andii have black skin in the literal sense.

Alright thanks I wasn't quite sure if they described him black skin in an African sense or black skin in tiste like way sense.

This post has been edited by haysdm: 08 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

[Abey1245]

If QB has the sceptre hidden at the andii spar, is magus of dark, and is talking to mother dark as if she is his true mother then I think he really is of TA origin masquarading in a human body. Was it Aranict who says she heard him speaking to himself in "several distinct voices"? I am beginning to like the idea mentioned that he is shifting between the different souls. I suppose depending on the situation, a different one would be brought to the forefront if their particular talent was needed.

The whole monologue about his Mother and Father while standing in chaos just teases us even more, arggh!! ST sure got an earful though didn't he just?? Sneaky bugger. I hope we get some more insight in future books because this is going to drive me nutso.

[the broken]

Abey1245, on 25 April 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

If QB has the sceptre hidden at the andii spar, is magus of dark, and is talking to mother dark as if she is his true mother then I think he really is of TA origin masquarading in a human body. Was it Aranict who says she heard him speaking to himself in "several distinct voices"? I am beginning to like the idea mentioned that he is shifting between the different souls. I suppose depending on the situation, a different one would be brought to the forefront if their particular talent was needed.

The whole monologue about his Mother and Father while standing in chaos just teases us even more, arggh!! ST sure got an earful though didn't he just?? Sneaky bugger. I hope we get some more insight in future books because this is going to drive me nutso.

To be honest, I think Quick Ben is exactly who he says he is. "A middling mage of meanas' from 7C. And one of his twelve souls is a Tiste, hence Kurald Galain and that monologue using knowledge from that soul.

[Abey1245]

Woops that's actually what I meant ... that one of the souls in QB is really TA. I totallly agree with you!