[D'rek]

Okay, seriously, May's smile is reeeeaaaallllly creeping me out. She covers her bottom teeth with her lip but not her top teeth and it just looks weeeeeiiiiiirrrrrddddddd

[D'rek]

Abyss, on 03 May 2011 - 04:13 AM, said:

Justin Trudeau. Eight years. Watch for it. Especially since Kennedy lost his seat and Iggy's not likely to last except as a placeholder..

And he won his seat today by a landslide!

AAAAAANNNNDDDD its looking now like Iggy will lose his seat, too!

This post has been edited by D'rek: 03 May 2011 - 04:16 AM

[D'rek]

As the big screen flicks on to show Layton and co. staring off-camera, Mansbridge says: "He [Jack Layton] seems to be watching a musical montage to... himself."

[D'rek]

Random bits:

-A former liberal MP, Stephen Chase, has already called for a new leader!
-Layton gives his cane to the crowd - getting elected to be the leader of the official opposition apparently has healing properties
-Of the Bloc's 3 seats, 2 of them were won by less than a thousand votes. They could very easily have been equal in seats with Green!

[Goaswerfraiejen]

OMFG, WTF?!?!

*NDP at 104 seats and counting?! WOW! That's fantastic!
*Elizabeth May gets a seat: finally!

*Tory majority despite the NDP getting 104 seats: DEVAS-FUCKING-TATING.
*Loss of Duceppe's seat, Bloc's crushing: sad face.


I think I'm going to be sick.

This post has been edited by Goaswerfraiejen: 03 May 2011 - 04:46 AM

[Blueiron]

Goaswerfraiejen, on 03 May 2011 - 04:45 AM, said:

OMFG, WTF?!?!

my thoughts exactly

Green seat, torry majority, official opposition is the NDP. at the very least, the satirists are going to have a f_K*ng field day. Even if no-one else has a fun time.

Maybe I`d be more willing to accept the Torries if they didn`t come accross as such arseholes so much of the time.

[Anomander]

I'm happy the NDP made such huge gains. I'm also happy to see the Bloc destroyed and Duceppe forced into retirement. Iggy is also a dead man walking once Rae gets ahold of him.

All that being said we are so incredibly fucked right now.

[Aristai]

Mentalist, on 03 May 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

oh, God, I just got on the CBC website.

what the fuck, Ontario?
why the hell are there so many Conservatives there?

Simply put, the Conservatives got something like 45% of the vote. The NDP and LIberal party split the rest. Hence Liberal destruction everywhere, and Conservative dominance.

[Aristai]

Crazy night though all round. When was the last time two party leaders got torched on the same election night? Good on Elizabeth May. First Green seat in North America. It'll be hard though for her, since she's basically an independent with no official party status in parliament. Still wonderful job.

[cerveza_fiesta]

I'll echo the general "holy shit" sentiments here.

I am disappoint about the conservative majority, but I'm not convinced a stable gov't for 4 years (no matter who's running it) isn't a good thing.

They will push some unpopular stuff through, but not enough to really alienate anyone. I doubt they'll touch the big guns like gay rights or abortions for fear of reprecussions in the next election. We'll see crime punishments go up for sure, and more prisons built, which won't do anything at all to crime rates and will give the opposition something to lean on in the next election.

I guess there's still the G20 spending thing to hash through and the contempt of parliament thing, though I'm unsure what effect either will have now. At least all that will be coming out at the start of Harper's glorious majority term and will be marginalized by 2015.

Biggest awesomeness was the NDP surge in the polls actually translating into a huge fucking win. Like HUGE. I just wish they could have taken more from the tories and less from the other liberal parties. 2015 will be interesting to say the least.

Oh yeah, and HAHA block quebecois. 1/10 of their seats going in. "Separtism is alive and well" - yeah right.

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[rhulad]

My mind is blown. I never expected to see these results... wake me up in 2015 please.

[D'rek]

Ignatieff has quit as Liberal leader

I don't subscribe to the "Holy shit we are so fucking screwed omg the apocalypse is upon us" theory of a Conservative majority. So maybe we'll buy some fighter jets and build useless prisons, it's not the end of the world. What does worry me, though is that with the Green and Block only have a combined handful of seats, and the libs being crippled, it looks like we're heading towards the left/right two-party system of the US, whereas I vastly prefer a diverse system with more varied parties (my ideal being the late '90s/early 2000s point when we had major parties for the far-left, centre-left, centre-right and far-right, plus the Bloc)

[Darkwatch]

D, on 03 May 2011 - 02:14 PM, said:

Ignatieff has quit as Liberal leader

I don't subscribe to the "Holy shit we are so fucking screwed omg the apocalypse is upon us" theory of a Conservative majority. So maybe we'll buy some fighter jets and build useless prisons, it's not the end of the world. What does worry me, though is that with the Green and Block only have a combined handful of seats, and the libs being crippled, it looks like we're heading towards the left/right two-party system of the US, whereas I vastly prefer a diverse system with more varied parties (my ideal being the late '90s/early 2000s point when we had major parties for the far-left, centre-left, centre-right and far-right, plus the Bloc)

As such I have no problem with buying new fighter jets. The problem is the Cons refused to tell anyone what the numbers are. Add to the fact that the F-35 trials aren't going particularly well means the price will go up. Yet the Cons refuse to explain how they're going to deal with that. The same goes for the prisons (which being a useless expense seems hard to justify for someone, Harper, going on about fiscal responsibility).
The refusal to explain anything to Parliament is what gave him his first Contempt of Parliament finding.
Then there's the Magic Budget in of itself.
Then there's all the press blocking he's done, not to mention forcing Environment Canada scientists to ask permission from the party to be interviewed then censoring their responses.
He tried to get rid of a long form census which is just absurd, and now he can if he so wishes.
He also has a tendency to fire anyone who does go out to the press regardless.
We can also cite the hold back of documents about possible torture of prisoners in Afghanistan, which he refused to give Parliament.
He also cut funding to a lot of civil rights associations, citing the terrible economic environment, though we can afford new fighters and pay for prisons we don't need.

[Abyss]

I find i'm less horrified than i thought i would be.

The Cons are not going to destroy the country, they're not going to push back human rights. whether they like it or not, we have a Charter and a judiciary that will absolutely hammer them with it if they try to come down on same sex, abortion, etc. If there's one thing Harper has shown so far it's that he can in fact control the crazies in his party.

Jets, superprisons, lower corp taxes... all true. But supposedly we're also going to stop paying political parties for the glory of their presence and i'm good with that at least.

It remains to be seen whether the NDP can be an effective opposition. In large part i don't think they expected to win as well as they did... FFS that NDP candidate in Quebec who spent the week of the election in Vegas frikkin won! But they have the background at least, and a significant number of women MPs.

Oh, and the Bloc got slaughtered. I can take HUGE solace from that.

[QuickTidal]

I voted NDP.

I have voted Liberal since I was old enough to vote (except last time when I voted Green)....but this year I decided I am sick and tired of the Libs not having a party I could get behind totally...so I said fuck it, and voted NDP.

and they trounced the Libs...wow...the Lib guy who has won my local riding for the last 3 elections got ousted and the NDP guy I voted for got in. This is the first time I ever felt like my vote counted for something.

Huh.

I'm not fond of the Conservative majority of course, that sucks ass...but at least there IS a majority now.

Bloc getting destroyed is PERFECT! Love that.

and I look forward to Justin Trudeau's leading of the Liberal party in the future in the hopes that he can bring back what made them the one to choose in the past for me.

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[Abyss]

As for the Libs, Iggy stepped down, and along with Kennedy, Dryden and Dion lost their seats.

Whoa... aside from Rae, ALL the leader candidates from the last round are gone.

And trudeau is still too inexperienced to step up.

Interesting times ahead for the Libs. Then again, the last time a party was beaten this badly was the tories under Campbell...

[Mentalist]

I also voted NDP. though, in my riding, it wasn't gonna happen.

The conservative guy won, edging ahead of the Liberal by 661 vote.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Abyss, on 03 May 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

As for the Libs, Iggy stepped down, and along with Kennedy, Dryden and Dion lost their seats.

Uh... according to Elections Canada, Stéphane Dion kept his seat: http://enr.elections...%e9phane%20dion

[Abyss]

Goaswerfraiejen, on 03 May 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

Abyss, on 03 May 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

As for the Libs, Iggy stepped down, and along with Kennedy, Dryden and Dion lost their seats.

Uh... according to Elections Canada, Stéphane Dion kept his seat: http://enr.elections...%e9phane%20dion

I stand corrected. Elsewhere it was stated he lost, but it's hardly surprising when election coverage goes off.
Doesn't matter - he knows better than to ever step up as leader again.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Abyss, on 03 May 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

I stand corrected. Elsewhere it was stated he lost, but it's hardly surprising when election coverage goes off.
Doesn't matter - he knows better than to ever step up as leader again.

I dunno, he'd do better without Ignatieff and the others throwing darts at his back (remember that Ignatieff and his cronies tried very hard to keep Dion off the Liberal ballot entirely in this election). Nonetheless, you're probably right that he'd have a hard time shaking off 2008. As I said back then, however, one of the problems that the Grits have is the instability of their leadership: as soon as they lose, they jump ship and hope that a fresh face will fix things magically. Unfortunately, the learning curve is steep and the experience is valuable. I wonder if Dion might manage to be the interim leader, at the very least, while the party figures its shit out.


EDIT: It's kinda weird that some of your news outlets had Dion losing, since he won by a ton--11 000 or so votes. Oh well. It was a CRAZY night.

This post has been edited by Goaswerfraiejen: 03 May 2011 - 06:54 PM