[rannald]

Didn't a conversation between cot and edgewalker, say that elder gods were elemental??
but just because there's a similarity between sister of night and sister of cold night, it doesn't actually meen there a connection...
the quote korlat uses says "in ancient times highness there stood at your side A sister of night" i got the feeling that it was a title, like an adviser
or something, it also said it was not a title for a pure blood, so i assumed it wasnt a usual tiste andii title,

and on a side note, korlat says she dosnt have pure blood so does that meen her father is shake??

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Actually at one point Korlat tells Twilight that her blood isn't pure and that as such she could take the role of SoN.

EDIT: Corrected poor with pure. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

This post has been edited by Bauchelain the Evil: 28 March 2011 - 04:37 PM

[miriya]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 25 March 2011 - 06:04 AM, said:

Actually at one point Korlat tells Twilight that her blood isn't poor and that as such she could take the role of SoN.

Pure. Her blood isn't pure, and thus she's not too good for SoN role.

For the record, because people still seem to have trouble following exactly what the debate is about, here are the quotes & bits in question, on page 574 in the paperback:

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Yan Tovis frowned. Her gaze wandered from the Tiste Andii woman standing before her, wandered out to the kneeling Tiste Andii, and then, at last, to the huddle of her own people, her so few survivors. And then, as if borne by an impossible strength, she climbed to her feet. Brushed feebly at the sand clinging to her bloody clothes. Straightened. ‘Korlat, daughter of Sandalath Drukorlat, the Sister of Night in the House of the Shake is not for one of the pure blood—’
‘Forgive me, Queen, but my blood is not pure.’
Yan Tovis paused, and then continued, ‘The blood of the Eleint—’
‘Queen, my blood is not pure.’
Withal suddenly comprehended Korlat’s meaning. Cold dread curled in his chest. No, Korlat will have no place in the palace of Queen Sandalath Drukorlat. And how was it, after all that had happened, here on the First Shore, that his heart could still break?
Oh … Sand.
Yan Tovis spoke. ‘Korlat, Daughter of Sandalath Drukorlat, I welcome you into the House of the Shake. Sister of Night, come to me.’

Followed on page 894 by:

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More rain threatened from the east, and Nimander watched the dark grey wall of clouds drawing ever closer. He glanced over at Korlat. Something had awakened her own grief, and it had struck deep in the Sister of Cold Nights. And as the distant figures now closed about the small barrow, he saw her take a half-step forward and then halt.
‘Korlat,’ said Nimander.
She caught herself, turned to him wretched eyes. ‘Lord?’
‘It is not our place to intrude upon them at this time.’
‘I understand.’
‘But I believe it is nevertheless fitting that we convey our respect and honour in some fashion. I wonder, could I ask you, Sister of Cold Nights, to represent us by attending their ceremonies on our behalf?’

Adding a new layer of interesting is the observation that both Korlat and Twilight refer to it as simply Sister of Night, whereas the only one who actually calls her Sister of Cold Nights is Nimander, in both words and thought. WTF, SE, I ARE CONFUSED. D:

[Daydreamer]

Actually, that isn't right. UK hardback, the first quote you use is from p.578 and on p.579 is this:

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With the Sister of Cold Nights standing close by, Yan Tovis sat once more beside the body of her brother.

So, unless there are differences between versions, it's used in the narrative as well and very close to where the other phrase was used. I don't know... I guess I find it easier to believe it's a deliberate mystery than just an error that was never caught. Time will tell, I suppose.

[miriya]

Daydreamer, on 25 March 2011 - 01:19 PM, said:

Actually, that isn't right. UK hardback, the first quote you use is from p.578 and on p.579 is this:

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With the Sister of Cold Nights standing close by, Yan Tovis sat once more beside the body of her brother.

So, unless there are differences between versions, it's used in the narrative as well and very close to where the other phrase was used. I don't know... I guess I find it easier to believe it's a deliberate mystery than just an error that was never caught. Time will tell, I suppose.

Must be; in mine (the big paperback version I got from amazon.com) pg 578-579 is like 2 pages into chapter 20; it's Badalle and the Ribby Snake. How ... weird. My UK HC version of DoD doesn't seem that much bigger, in terms of size, shape, or font size, so it's not like there should be a very big difference between the two. The entire thing is 913 pages long.

What I was doing was using the .epub version of the book to search the document for terms 'sister of night' and sister of cold nights'. Weirdly enough, It refused to find that version of 'sister of cold nights'; I finally had to search by the last half of the phrase to find the quote, and dammit. >_< There it is, just a few paragraphs beyond. /sigh And I thought I was on to something.

You're probably right, it's just fun to speculate on, as well as the most abruptly dropped mysteries in this series (and I fully admit to being part of a house that chews over conspiracy theories and debates the unexplainable over dinner, so I've developed a rather keen instinct to do just the opposite of those in the 'simplest answer is generally right' camp). Honestly, that's what makes me wonder the most; there's seriously no connection (that I remember, or that anyone's pointed out so far), inferred or otherwise, between the elder goddess and the Andii until right there.

This post has been edited by miriya: 25 March 2011 - 06:18 PM

[Daydreamer]

Sorry, badly phrased from me, I think. I wasn't suggesting your page numbers were wrong, I'm sure the versions do print differently. I just pointed out the page numbers in mine to emphasise how close the two phrases are used.

And I agree, speculation is great! I can't think of any prior connection between SoCN and the Andii either. But, really, we know very little about her other than that she involved herself in others' conflicts (no MoI on hand right now but IIRC that's about right). So offhand I don't see anything that rules out a connection. And this does seem a reasonable time to drop this in as a possible 'teaser' for the Kharkanas Trilogy (surely the Shake will be involved in that somehow).