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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:30 AM

Karsa destroys one of the Seven Unbound Imass in House of Chains. I can't remember reading whether another one is destroyed in any of the subsequent books--does another of them "die", and if so, in which book?
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:00 AM

'Siballe gets done in by Karsa in HoC, and Emroth gets the sapper treatment from Hedge in RG.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:25 AM

in RG emroth gets cusser'd by hedge
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:16 PM

Many thanks! It was driving me nuts.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:07 PM

I admit I had trouble placing Emroth as an Unbound off the top of my head, as I'm pretty sure she's called Imroth before RG.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 10:03 PM

It's pretty vague what happens to them between HoC and RG...because Trull and Onrack are helping the two TI chase after them in HoC, and then find themselves eventually guarding the throne instead. Yet we don't hear from the renegades' point of view after that, and then all of a sudden in BH there's five waiting outside of Barathol's village and the sixth one doesn't get any mention till RG. I mean we can suss out their motivations for splitting on our own, but only after the fact since we get no real scenes with them outside of when they meet other characters. Unless I'm totally forgetting a crucial scene at the end of HoC where they manage to dodge Trull and co. a final time.
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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:09 AM

Just to clarify, Hedge's sapper treatment...

This is the Crippled God-following T'lan he walks with for a while in the weird realm (Hood's? Emurhlan?) while he's wandering, and then after conversation decides they're on different sides and tosses a cusser onto her head, correct? After seeing the frozen throne? Just wanted to specify that.

Side question: finished DoD reread this morning. Is the frozen figure on the frozen throne at the end of DoD into whom Hood is reborn and the ice Jaghut's with their merry sense of humour stand around - is he the figure Hedge sees in RG with 'Emorth'? Made that possible connection this morning.
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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:34 AM

View PostTatterdemalion, on 20 March 2011 - 05:09 AM, said:

Just to clarify, Hedge's sapper treatment...

This is the Crippled God-following T'lan he walks with for a while in the weird realm (Hood's? Emurhlan?) while he's wandering, and then after conversation decides they're on different sides and tosses a cusser onto her head, correct? After seeing the frozen throne? Just wanted to specify that.



One of the Unbound, Emroth/Imroth if I recall correctly, and the realm is Verdith'anath, the Jaghut underworld, though I don't recall exactly whether Hedge cussered her before or after seeing the throne.

View PostTatterdemalion, on 20 March 2011 - 05:09 AM, said:

Side question: finished DoD reread this morning. Is the frozen figure on the frozen throne at the end of DoD into whom Hood is reborn and the ice Jaghut's with their merry sense of humour stand around - is he the figure Hedge sees in RG with 'Emorth'? Made that possible connection this morning.


Yes, the one and the same.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 02:02 PM

i've been thinking on the 7 unbound renegade T'lan.

am i right in thinking they where all Logros ?

and if Urugal the Broken is Tenag Ilbaie (Encyclopediamalazica) any inteligent guesses on the identities of the others?

also ive seen the Logros, Kron, Orshayn etc described as nations of the Imass when i originally thought they were tribes, so im thinking logros - Quan Tali, Kron Seven Cities, Orshayn Assail ?

any thoughts ?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 03:46 PM

View PostWily Tuchuk, on 30 October 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

i've been thinking on the 7 unbound renegade T'lan.

am i right in thinking they where all Logros ?

and if Urugal the Broken is Tenag Ilbaie (Encyclopediamalazica) any inteligent guesses on the identities of the others?

also ive seen the Logros, Kron, Orshayn etc described as nations of the Imass when i originally thought they were tribes, so im thinking logros - Quan Tali, Kron Seven Cities, Orshayn Assail ?

any thoughts ?


HoC more or less directly states the one bonecaster among the Seven was from Logros, but the only reason we got the Unbound's "real" name is because Onrack and Monok Ochem were listing off Logros Bonecasters. Since the other 6 Unbound are not Bonecasters, odds are we haven't heard their "real" names at any point (or if they cameo'd in a random other T'lan Imass' memory we have no way of making the connection).

The Logros, Orshayn, Kron, etc may have some ties to the Imass 'nations' (or whatever the closest equivalent was at the time) from before the Ritual, but there's a passage somewhere talking about how the leaders of the T'lan Imass armies were chosen at/in preparation for the Ritual of Tellan. There does seem to be a geographic component to it though, as the Logros were the only T'lan Imass army seen throughout the Malazan conquest of Quon Tali and 7C, the Kron seem to be the only Army active on Genabackis, the T'lan Imass in Lether, dormant or otherwise, were all Bentract, etc.

Tribe is definitely a separate thing though, as we've seen that each T'lan Imass army consists of numerous tribes and there is some important to it - each tribe has one Bonecaster and there are ties to being in the same tribe (ie it was said that if Raest ensnared a T'lan Imass he would be able to immediately ensnare that whole tribe, etc)

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

View PostD, on 30 October 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

View PostWily Tuchuk, on 30 October 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

i've been thinking on the 7 unbound renegade T'lan.

am i right in thinking they where all Logros ?

and if Urugal the Broken is Tenag Ilbaie (Encyclopediamalazica) any inteligent guesses on the identities of the others?

also ive seen the Logros, Kron, Orshayn etc described as nations of the Imass when i originally thought they were tribes, so im thinking logros - Quan Tali, Kron Seven Cities, Orshayn Assail ?

any thoughts ?


(ie it was said that if Raest ensnared a T'lan Imass he would be able to immediately ensnare that whole tribe, etc)



intresting .....i wonder if any of the Jaghut Tyrants ever managed this ?
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