[Osseric]

well, off to wok, back in 5 hours or so. will do a read up on likely FMs then

[Galayn Lord]

Korabas, on 03 March 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 02 March 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

btw i know merrid was team Kraiklyn because I was there day one he isn't high up though

I know that I'm outing which faction I'm not in but Amp died as team Jen. Now by my fever induced reasoning with Team Kra winning the latest hand then Merrid would stay in team Kra. Amp's reveal makes sense for the members of the other two factions to vote for Merrid as team Kra is in the lead (currently). As I don't have any take as to the FM then at this point it makes sense at eliminating rival faction members.

vote merrid

Bet 3 credits

now my body demands restjif my sick toddler will let me.

So you're either J or Z right? if you're J, well ... that would be a helluva catch. There are pretty much only the higher ups left in Jernau. You know what, I'm gonna go for it. I have nothing to lose really (except my remaining credits, and (if I am making a huge mistake) perhaps my leader). Dropping the first (one of the first?) vote(s) of the day would seem reckless for a faction leader, however, J has no other option (though maybe being the first to vote wouldn't be the best idea). I really do not feel like reading much more today (damn canadian economics were so dull my eyes were bleeding) and so I'll probably just watch tv and go to bed. So here's my vote for the night.

Vote Korabas


bet 2 credits


edit: forgot to bet my riches

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 04 March 2011 - 12:05 AM

[Omtose]

Kalse, on 03 March 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Korabas, on 03 March 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 02 March 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

btw i know merrid was team Kraiklyn because I was there day one he isn't high up though

I know that I'm outing which faction I'm not in but Amp died as team Jen. Now by my fever induced reasoning with Team Kra winning the latest hand then Merrid would stay in team Kra. Amp's reveal makes sense for the members of the other two factions to vote for Merrid as team Kra is in the lead (currently). As I don't have any take as to the FM then at this point it makes sense at eliminating rival faction members.

vote merrid

Bet 3 credits

now my body demands restjif my sick toddler will let me.

Interesting logic. I mean, depending on the outcome of the hand, either Merrid is likely to be traded off somewhere else, or Team K will get larger by two more lives. If the latter, they'll have a solid majority. If the former, they're no more threat than Team J. So the only reason to pick Merrid is that we know, or at least very strongly suspect we know, which team Merrid is on. But we know Merrid is at the bottom of the list - better way to cripple to a faction is to take out someone in the middle-upper reaches.

Anyway, by highlighting your own not-membership of Team K, you've got...what, 6? Of the players present who might vote you for lulz. Which also means they nearly have a voting block. You've got the other team who doesn't care if it's you or Merrid, really, if they can't push Merrid. So one can only assume that you're either trying to highlight the factions, or that you're too tired to have a plan and went for the nearest target.

The problem with this game, as I see it (and it's part of the appeal, too, I guess) is that at least one player from each team is going to get shuffled every other hand of cards. Which means they've got no fixed allegiance. Now, they might not be able or willing to play directly against their team, but...to abstain from throwing their full weight behind a faction? After all, if the faction isn't going to win that day, what's the point in being picky? Which means those players need to look at the long view if they're concerned about winning.

Anyway, I need to get going, so I'll leave you with a vote.

Vote Korabas

Bet 8

For either trying to highlight factions, or not really thinking his vote through.

i dont know how far the food chain i am, though i think im either 4th or 5th, so maybe im could get traded soon, but that doesnt mean i should just ignore the other factions

if Amp was telling the truth, and merrid was next to go on team k, with the last hand he is safe from trading now hes in the middle of the pack with two players below him.

kalse here is showing he is on team K with merrid, possibly one lower than merrid (so he is one of the traded players) or simply a team K who believes in amps reveal and is just trying ot protect his faction

im also pretty sure with the betting that GL is on team K, but he is either lowest or 2nd lowest and hes 50:50 to be traded again if team K loses this hand

if team k wins this hand and gets another 2 players then they will be surging intot the leed players wise which isnt good, so im thinking its time to curb there numbers

so for me its either GL, merrid or kalse

Gl is too low, and only worth thinking about if K wins this round

Merrid is in the middle of the pack, probably a live

Kalse is either the tradee from team J or a bit higher up. if we can get this lynch over with before this hand finishes i would say kalse is the better target. just in case on the off chance he is higher up. but if the lynch fails before the hand is over and team K loses, we risk lynching someone on our faction.

Merrid has one more vote than kalse though, making it slightly easier to get the lynch on him, and at least im sure he wont get traded this hand

im on for a while longer, if we have the numbers to push through a kalse lynch id go for it, if not then go for merrid

what does everyone think?



and yes i realise ive basicly outed what faction im in

[Omtose]

@ GL team J still has a few lives, its team Z thats down to the captain

Edit wrote @GL

This post has been edited by Omtose: 04 March 2011 - 12:34 AM

[Omtose]

i think its going to be a race between J and Z to lynch either Korabas or merrid, Im going to have to ignore kalse for now and concentrate on taking out merrid team J doesnt have the numbers to risk voting for two different candidates

Vote Merrid

Bet 20

before anyone asks where ive got all the coinds, ive been on 2 successfull lynch trains and have betted heavily both times

[Merrid]

I'm busy for the next hour or so, but I will be back to give my thoughts on all this. A lot of good analysis going on, I'm glad we're getting into the meat of the faction game. Up until now everything has been very speculative.

However I'm going to place my vote now to avoid any mistakes.

Vote Korabas

Bet 10 credits

[Korabas]

Kalse, on 03 March 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Korabas, on 03 March 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 02 March 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

btw i know merrid was team Kraiklyn because I was there day one he isn't high up though

I know that I'm outing which faction I'm not in but Amp died as team Jen. Now by my fever induced reasoning with Team Kra winning the latest hand then Merrid would stay in team Kra. Amp's reveal makes sense for the members of the other two factions to vote for Merrid as team Kra is in the lead (currently). As I don't have any take as to the FM then at this point it makes sense at eliminating rival faction members.

vote merrid

Bet 3 credits

now my body demands restjif my sick toddler will let me.

Interesting logic. I mean, depending on the outcome of the hand, either Merrid is likely to be traded off somewhere else, or Team K will get larger by two more lives. If the latter, they'll have a solid majority. If the former, they're no more threat than Team J. So the only reason to pick Merrid is that we know, or at least very strongly suspect we know, which team Merrid is on. But we know Merrid is at the bottom of the list - better way to cripple to a faction is to take out someone in the middle-upper reaches.

Anyway, by highlighting your own not-membership of Team K, you've got...what, 6? Of the players present who might vote you for lulz. Which also means they nearly have a voting block. You've got the other team who doesn't care if it's you or Merrid, really, if they can't push Merrid. So one can only assume that you're either trying to highlight the factions, or that you're too tired to have a plan and went for the nearest target.

The problem with this game, as I see it (and it's part of the appeal, too, I guess) is that at least one player from each team is going to get shuffled every other hand of cards. Which means they've got no fixed allegiance. Now, they might not be able or willing to play directly against their team, but...to abstain from throwing their full weight behind a faction? After all, if the faction isn't going to win that day, what's the point in being picky? Which means those players need to look at the long view if they're concerned about winning.

Anyway, I need to get going, so I'll leave you with a vote.

Vote Korabas

Bet 8

For either trying to highlight factions, or not really thinking his vote through.

My reason is so blatantly obvious that only someone that is on team K would question my reasoning. And not very good at that. With team K in the running to win another hand it is in everyone elses best intrest to trim some of K's ranks even if it is a low ranking member. Though from the amount of credits you bet you might be a higher ranked member of that faction.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3.
14 Players still alive: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah, sorrit

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose )
3 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid )

Players not voted: barghast, fener, hood's path, liosan, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah, sorrit


Tellan

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 03 March 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

although since no one else died, I'm assumng Cracklin kept his 2 recruits.
Merrid is still too small a fish to fry. findng his higher-ups would be more useful.

i'm ctually thinking someone in the ruse-Omtose post range is our FM. will need to re-read them before I decide which way to go though.

That's funny, according to your own chart, you fall right between Ruse & Omstose

Osseric, on 03 March 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Ampelas 96
Sorrit 46
Omtose 44
Hugin & Munin 41
Liosan 40
Hood's Path 3
4Osseric 31
Ruse 30
Rashan 2
7Silanah 24
Fener 21
Merrid 20
Barghast 19
Korabas 18
Kalse 18
Tiamatha 14
Galayn Lord 14
Tellan 2

given this distribution, bar the outliers of GL and Amp, pretty much everyone livng can fit the "mid range poster attracting no attention" profile, , lol

still, for some reason I can barey remeber anything Ruse said, yet he pops inot my head as one of th emore prolifc posters, hrmmm..

Perhaps you're not really paying attention. If it makes you feel better, I can barely remember anything you said either.

Osseric, on 03 March 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

well, off to wok, back in 5 hours or so. will do a read up on likely FMs then

Just read your own PM from H&M, and you'll find him

[Merrid]

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Too busty for scene, picture bright skies, white beaches and dolphins frollicking in the waves. Picture mohitos, and bikins and tans and all things people want to have on a day when all your worries are somewhere else. The get back to reality and realise this game will only end when most of you are dead, buck up your ideas and get to the killing soldiers!

All captains bet 25 credits

king spades
two diamonds
ace clubs
seven hearts
ace spades

Possible Hands

1. Pocket Aces - 4 of a Kind, Aces
2. Ace, King - Full House, Aces over Kings
3. Ace, Seven - Full House, Aces over Sevens
4. Ace, Two - Full House, Aces over Twos
5. Pocket Kings - Full House, Kings over Aces
6. Pocket Sevens - Full House, Sevens over Aces
7. Pocket Twos - Full House, Twos over Aces
8. Ace, anything but Ace, King, Seven, or Two - Three of a Kind, Aces
9. King, anything but King, Ace, Seven, or Two - Two Pair, Aces and Kings
10. Seven, anything but Seven, King, or Ace - Two Pair, Aces and Sevens
11. Two, anything but Two, King, Ace, or Seven - Two Pair, Aces and Twos
12. Pocket Pair (other than Kings, Aces, Sevens, or Twos) - Two Pair, Aces and Something

I bet I missed something, so add it if you see it. I mostly wanted to look through this because there are a lot of powerful hands on that list; the game could easily swing either way with a flop like that. No possible straights or flushes, though. I think it also explains Captain Z's fold, because if he didn't have one of the hands high up on that list, odds are one of the other two did. Now, it's true that by forfeiting his Second, he exposes himself to the possibility of a reveal, but at the same time, if he is able to wager his own life and win the next hand (all in, perhaps?), he could win the Second back (if the Second decides to stay quiet and hope his Captain wins). So at least he might get another chance rather than probably losing it all on this hand.

I'm about to eat...but I will be back in an hour or so.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on 04 March 2011 - 03:25 AM, said:

Osseric, on 03 March 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

well, off to wok, back in 5 hours or so. will do a read up on likely FMs then

Just read your own PM from H&M, and you'll find him

Is that a genuine accusation?

[Kalse]

Korabas, on 04 March 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

Kalse, on 03 March 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Korabas, on 03 March 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 02 March 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

btw i know merrid was team Kraiklyn because I was there day one he isn't high up though

I know that I'm outing which faction I'm not in but Amp died as team Jen. Now by my fever induced reasoning with Team Kra winning the latest hand then Merrid would stay in team Kra. Amp's reveal makes sense for the members of the other two factions to vote for Merrid as team Kra is in the lead (currently). As I don't have any take as to the FM then at this point it makes sense at eliminating rival faction members.

vote merrid

Bet 3 credits

now my body demands restjif my sick toddler will let me.

Interesting logic. I mean, depending on the outcome of the hand, either Merrid is likely to be traded off somewhere else, or Team K will get larger by two more lives. If the latter, they'll have a solid majority. If the former, they're no more threat than Team J. So the only reason to pick Merrid is that we know, or at least very strongly suspect we know, which team Merrid is on. But we know Merrid is at the bottom of the list - better way to cripple to a faction is to take out someone in the middle-upper reaches.

Anyway, by highlighting your own not-membership of Team K, you've got...what, 6? Of the players present who might vote you for lulz. Which also means they nearly have a voting block. You've got the other team who doesn't care if it's you or Merrid, really, if they can't push Merrid. So one can only assume that you're either trying to highlight the factions, or that you're too tired to have a plan and went for the nearest target.

The problem with this game, as I see it (and it's part of the appeal, too, I guess) is that at least one player from each team is going to get shuffled every other hand of cards. Which means they've got no fixed allegiance. Now, they might not be able or willing to play directly against their team, but...to abstain from throwing their full weight behind a faction? After all, if the faction isn't going to win that day, what's the point in being picky? Which means those players need to look at the long view if they're concerned about winning.

Anyway, I need to get going, so I'll leave you with a vote.

Vote Korabas

Bet 8

For either trying to highlight factions, or not really thinking his vote through.

My reason is so blatantly obvious that only someone that is on team K would question my reasoning. And not very good at that. With team K in the running to win another hand it is in everyone elses best intrest to trim some of K's ranks even if it is a low ranking member. Though from the amount of credits you bet you might be a higher ranked member of that faction.

You misunderstand my objection. If team K is, as numbers would suggest, 6 members large at present, then reducing their number by one doesn't help anyone if they win TWO lives this hand. They will have a voting block regardless. If they do not win the hand, then they are no longer a large threat. Except that the balance will remain with Jernau, whereas if they lose a player to lynch, one to trade, and Jernau gains two, Jernau is in the same position as Team K is now. So what have you achieved? Nothing.

Hence why your logic is, imo, flawed.


@Rashan - would have thought if it was, someone would have followed said accusation with a vote. Though perhaps lack of likelihood of a lynch changes that.

[Osseric]

I believe he's coming back at me for pointing him out.

I won't lie, i'm wiped after 5 hours at work, and I will in all likelihood crawl to bed to pass out soon. So I won't be trawling through posts to find what made me think of Ruse right now. maybe tomorrow.

the lynching situation is interesting. i've already said that Merrid is probably life 2, and depending on the hand, he cn go back to being the Cracklin's cannon fodder. not worth a vote atm.

otoh, Korabas is probably the Jelunga cannon fodder making waves. though why make waves if you could be traded too? unless he's one of the captains.... hmmm.....

[Omtose]

merrid isnt going to be traded

if he was on team K at the bottom of the chain, then after the last hand he now has 2 people below him.

even if team K loses this hand he will still be on team K

[Hugin & Munin]

morning all - please say thankyou to tellan for providing me some mod support.

Just so you all know - seconds + captains will never transfer - they are an automatic cash in. seconds are 75, captains are 100.

[Liosan]

my apologies. I have a deadline to reach by the end of today and it has been harder than I expected. Will try to post from work just as soon as I've had my coffee and gotten down there.

[Hugin & Munin]

Kraiklyn has raised Jernau 10 credits.

[Korabas]

Where is everyone? I got the ball rolling for some major waves and I fully expected both lynch trains to be farther along than they are. With Kraiklyn raising it looks like he has the best hand and will most likely win another life and cash in on team Z's second. With a lynch on Merrid at least we will keep the teams fairly evenly balanced with team Z still alive to steal a few lives to make things interesting.

I'll check back in after a few hours. Grow some balls people and step up and support your faction.


Oh and Thanks Tellan. Just wish we gave you a bit more to do

Edit. Added last line.

This post has been edited by Korabas: 04 March 2011 - 03:04 PM

[Hood's Path]

This game is starting to drag ( only one NK) and if we don't take chances it will last forever. I don't trust anyone's reveals. For all I know any of you could be a FM trying to fit in. I doubly don't trust Amp as he could have easily been talking tons of shit to throw people off.


Vote Merrid


Bet 5

[Hugin & Munin]

kraiklyn -six clubs jack clubs
1 life +25 + 35

zakalwe nine hearts ten spades FOLDS
1 life + 25

jernau - jack hearts seven clubs
1 life + 25 + 25

king spades
two diamonds
ace clubs
seven hearts
ace spades

Jernau Wins and cashes in a life

Sorritt is dead - they were in the Kriaklyn Faction







It is Day 3.
13 Players still alive: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hp )
3 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid )

Players not voted: barghast, fener, liosan, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah


Tellan

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 04 March 2011 - 05:29 PM