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Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:28 PM

Sorrit, on 28 February 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

How many pills do I have? And when/how do I accrue additional pills?


you get one a day to use as either poison or heal.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:35 PM

Ruse, on 28 February 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 28 February 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Ruse, on 28 February 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

Questions (for now)

Can I tell Liosan we're on the same faction?

My 2 tokens: I can heal 1, poison 1 - use on self or any other or use both at once to ensure kill?


you can only use one token per night. its heal or poison, not both.

Only if you want to get you both modkilled. there are no off thread comms. if you want to say on thread - i wont stop you, but i highly recommend not doing it as the other players will lynch both of you as a result.


Thanks for the clarification, I figured out the first with a re-read. You can put your Mod-laser away now. :unsure:


mines a mod hammer :)
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:56 PM

Fener, on 28 February 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

Heh, yet another role I've never played before, awesome. Gonna be hard to ape people's posting times unless I replace Shin though. Talking like the others will be an nice challenge too lol.

Questions:
1) So 'all' I need to do is replace a captain and I win?

2) Am I involved in the betting process, and if so, I'm not exactly sure what that entails? Also, what's with the 'you must bet when you vote' rule?

3) You probably won't be able to answer this, but regarding the others' heal tokens, do they act as a BP, automatically healing unless they decide to use it up to poison someone, or are they unprotected unless they actually decide to heal that night?


1 - you need to replace a captain and win the game of damage

2 - you can bet. technically you are playing the game as a life so you can be used in the betting, but you have the ability to swap bodies so can move to other factions.

3 - As i said if i receive no action its treated as an automatic self heal.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:58 PM

its going to be very hard for the fm to win, but having an fm and his counter provides some spur to the game and his money doesnt get given to the captain so although he is another life its hidden from the captian and they dont receive the credits. he probably wont have very much time though so needs to be very careful about who he jumps to.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:01 PM

Omtose, on 28 February 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

but theres no point betting to early on a wild guess early on

can you change your bet?

can you bet on your team mate being lynched?

i know silanah is on my faction, but no one else, you said you wont accept any harmful actions against my team, if i choose to poison someone who is on my team but i dont know they are will it go through?

if it doesnt that means i can use my poisons without fear of hitting a team mate, and if it doesnt go through and i havent lost my tokens then it also works as a find


defo not, but voting early without a bet will make you less threatening.

you cannot change your bet.

if silanah is getting lynched you can bet on that.

Only deliberately harmful actions then i should say :unsure:
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:13 PM

Omtose, on 28 February 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

does everyone hear when i make a bet? how would they no how threatening my bet is??

so if i try to poison someone apart from silanah, it will go through and kill them even if they are on my team (apart from the captains and seconds )


i did intend people to bet on thread, but i suppose we could change it so people can bet off thread in a pm.

captains are immune

seconds require 3 poison tokens

lifes require 2 poison tokens
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:33 PM

Tiamatha, on 28 February 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

Ah, being my usual dirt bag/ crude self... how I missed thee.





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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:35 PM

Rashan, on 28 February 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

I have no idea if this is smart or not, but I'll bet half of my credits (50) on the cards today.


you do remember there are two betting periods, and people can raise you :unsure:
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:37 PM

Hood, on 28 February 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 28 February 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

i edited afterwards you were perfectly right!


Sneaky dibs taking advantage of my morning fog... So I also have to bet when I vote to lynch right. Does that come out of my 100. I assume that most of the other players only have 10 so I should probably take care to keep my bet under that amount.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:57 PM

Rashan, on 28 February 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Oh. That's right. So...the second betting phase happens after all leaders have called or raised?


second bet is when you see the other five cards :unsure:

Rashan, on 28 February 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

If days are infinate, what the hell is "end of day" for the second round of betting? Starting off with a bet of 50 still sounds fine to me. Let the other bastards call or raise or go cry to their mommas.


i already accepted it :) i was just saying!!
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:52 PM

Galayn Lord, on 28 February 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

This is probably a very stupid question. Why are we voting? I understand the bets, and betting for whoever may be lynched. But how are we to go about pushing a case on anyone? I am under the impression this game will/should be pushed with probability and betting more than case building and scummery. If this is the case, could I just throw a vote on someone at random and refrain from betting, to start some action?



Galayn Lord, on 28 February 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

another question. can i vote for someone, and bet on another?

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:55 PM

Galayn Lord, on 28 February 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

This is likely to change. just dropping it in for now (in case i am not around at crunchtime). Naturally, I'd like to guard Kalse as my provisional action. I'll probably change this to a find later on, because the odds of someone going after Kalse is low day 1. better be safe for now.


kalse is your captain, guarding him would stop him from doing a night action. she should be searching for others or guarding people incase they poison someone.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:27 PM

Hood, on 28 February 2011 - 06:41 PM, said:

Well I imagine that it is completely possible that there won't be a lynch. Nobody wants to lose credits or to be tied to someone else via a train. God knows I am going to hold off voting for as long as possible.

Have either one of the other playing morons bothered to fucking bet yet.... Seriously I would like to see the river before I even think about coin anything.

So how are you drawing the cards? Do you have a deck and are you just playing it out, or is it one of those things were if such and such does this then the cards will be thus, things.


one has, but waiting for the third and then i will announce the bets on thread its ^ way though :unsure:

i have a real deck, but use random.org when in work
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:30 PM

Kalse, on 28 February 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

OK, so clarification on your rules in the sign-up thread.

One life is in the pot, from each of the captains, yes?

And in order to play against that, I bet chips? And then the others can raise, call, fold. Then depending on what the others do, I get another chance to bet, so forth (3 rounds limit? Or just one round limit for simplicity?) until day end or someone is all in or at the betting limit (lol). Then we get cards tomorrow, and repeat. Winner takes the life (and the chips? Or do we only get the credit value of the life if we cash it in, or the life itself, and not the chips (going to be awkward if so)) and then it's new hand?

I only ask because I presume this is Texas Hold 'Em, and therefore chips makes sense.

But can we add another life to a pot? What about small blinds, big blinds (are you simplifying this to remove those aspects, there only being three players, so to speak)...

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At the start of everyday the captains place a life on the table and are able to use the total of thier lives credits to bet on the outcome of a card game. They receive two cards and bet then on how they will do, and finally when the last card is placed they can raise if they wish.
The winner of a hand will choose whether to accept a life, or to cash it in. Accepting a life places that player into the winner players faction. cashing in kills the player and grants the player a minimum of 50 credits or that players balance.
Ina round of betting if a player is outbetted he can place a life against a sum of money to see the betting through.


Also, when are additional cards placed? You referenced it taking two days, somewhere, is that still the case?


Oh, and,

Bet 20

To start, if I've understood the basic mechanics. Ta.


not two days, two phases, you bet now then when you all have bet it is announced on thread. you can call or fold and once you three agree i show the five cards then oyou bet on what you have and after day ends we resolve at same time as night.

you can bet lives but you havent got many yet :unsure: and i see them more of matching monetary value rather than granting them one first.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:49 PM

Kalse, on 28 February 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

Alright, cheers dibs, that makes sense.

20 chips then it is. :unsure:


scene on thread - zakalwe posted a bet of 50.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:56 PM

Barghast, on 28 February 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

Ah.

Well my strategy, is to go for the non-risk scenarios for now, which means aiming to bet everything on the lynch when its at L-1 and then hammering it.

Of course plenty of other folks are probably going to be doing the same thing...


low risk :unsure: possibly sensible
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:30 PM

Korabas, on 28 February 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

I thought I read that I would know who was directly above me in succesion in my faction? Is that true? If so who is it?


bavedict is a special character outside the usual strictures of a faction.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:45 PM

Silanah, on 28 February 2011 - 08:17 PM, said:

Awesome... thought I was gonna be stuck with RI again ^^. Thanks. lookin forward to this game !

Provisional find on Liosan

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:56 PM

Korabas, on 28 February 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

So since you listed me as part of the Jernau faction fourth in line does that mean I get placed into the pot next for the Jernau faction or will the other fourth and third get placed into the pot before I do? I really would like to be clear. If I see that one player is likely to win the pot then I would like to jump ship to that faction so I am more likely to survive.


captain
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you
life1
life2
life3 <- first to die works ^
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 09:02 PM

Hood, on 28 February 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

I will call.

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