[MTS]

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

[Shinrei]

The irony is, I singlehandedly lost the Team Fortress game based on bad "time meta", which is exactly why I would never engage in it again. Not only is it bad for the game, it doesn't even work, as I found out. My final defense to D'rek is I dont feel I broke the spirit or reasoning behind the rule at all (nor the wording, to be perfectly honest).

I'm not going to say anything more about it.

[Tapper]

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

And if I were to say who of the new people is in general the least jumpy, the order would probably be:
1. Lizra
2. Trull's Son.....

[MTS]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

And if I were to say who of the new people is in general the least jumpy, the order would probably be:
1. Lizra
2. Trull's Son.....

Meta! Oh noes!

[MTS]

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 11:46 AM, said:

The irony is, I singlehandedly lost the Team Fortress game based on bad "time meta", which is exactly why I would never engage in it again. Not only is it bad for the game, it doesn't even work, as I found out. My final defense to D'rek is I dont feel I broke the spirit or reasoning behind the rule at all (nor the wording, to be perfectly honest).

I'm not going to say anything more about it.

I don't like time meta because Tattersail used it to get me lynched last game, the bastard. And I wasn't even lying neither! Ok, so maybe I was massaging the truth a little, but still.

[Ace Hunter]

So I was playing Starcraft 2, and it hasn't improved my thinking. So I'm not going to contribute at the moment. Going to bed, maybe in the morning I'll think better.

Night all

[Tapper]

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

And if I were to say who of the new people is in general the least jumpy, the order would probably be:
1. Lizra
2. Trull's Son.....

Meta! Oh noes!

If this is meta, than The Dude's honey & syrup massage post should have seen him dead, dead, dead and excluded from the final Rot3K game. It didn't happen, so it's allowed.

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

And if I were to say who of the new people is in general the least jumpy, the order would probably be:
1. Lizra
2. Trull's Son.....

Both are low posters, but i think lizra is coming on when everyone else is going to sleep. Neither of them has made much impact on the game so both are good candidates for low posting scum. I can see where shin is coming from regarding the foreshadowing, i called the dude out on something similar yesterday for saying not voting for silencer meant you were scum.

vote trulls son

Lets see how they react to a bit of pressure.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 2. 15 hours and 45 minutes remaining aprx
14 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Shinrei, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son,

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for Trulls son -Shinrei, Dibs


Players not voted: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son

Roldom

[MTS]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 11:58 AM, said:

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.

I noticed this too, and upon reading his earlier mention of it I was on the lookout for whether or not he would vote Tattersail, as to do so would've made him a hypocrite. He's definitely waving the noob flag here, and that makes me very suspicious, as I noticed he did it right after Tapper and I raised the point of new players being very jumpy. If dk were here he'd be screaming for TS's blood.

And if I were to say who of the new people is in general the least jumpy, the order would probably be:
1. Lizra
2. Trull's Son.....

Meta! Oh noes!

If this is meta, than The Dude's honey & syrup massage post should have seen him dead, dead, dead and excluded from the final Rot3K game. It didn't happen, so it's allowed.

Chill Tap chill, it was a joke, since you guys were getting so fired up about it. It's meta by definition because it's evidence from outside this game, but it's not time-meta. But anyway, I'm not factoring that into my thoughts on the matter because I haven't got a sense of how he normally plays. Tattersail's exits are generally spectacular and memorable, and more often than not based on noobish play. The reason that it looks suspicious on TS is that he didn't need to bring himself into it. If he wasn't going to vote for Tattersail, all he needed to do was say 'I agree with MTS, it seems more of a mistake than scum lashing out.' Done. No need for clarification, perfectly justifiable. But TS's argument is slightly different, in that his justification is at the same time a proclamation of innocence. It's more 'I can't vote for Tattersail because I did the exact same thing, so if I'm innocent he can't be scum.'

Eh, it's all steeped in WIFOM, which is why I haven't voted him for it, but it's definitely something.

EDIT - added 'something'

This post has been edited by MTS: 23 February 2011 - 12:23 PM

[Grief]

I'm not hugely fond of anyone playing the noob card, however, iirc Trull was speaking past tense:

"I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had"

So I don't see it as him definetely trying to make himself seem more innocent. Unless this is actually his first game, which I don't think it is.

Tapper(I think, this is just off the top of my head), mentioned over-reacting a lot the first time he played. To me, it kind of seems like Trull is making the same point-the key difference being that he is still relatively new so it applies to him more than it does tapper. However, I don't think it's particularly damning on it's own.

Vote Acehunter

He's got a high post count, but very little in the way of content, which I dislike. His interaction with ment in particular seems really dodgy to me. He vaguely accuses him, and then, after going back and reading the thread, decides there's nothing scummy about him. This seems scummy to me, because it looks like he was just putting some vague suspicions on thread to give impression of contributing, while remaining low-key, and coasting through day one.

[Hugin & Munin]

Mod Clarifications:

By "post times" I meant only the times that people are posting in general, with comparison to people's meta-knowledge of when, for example, they might usually post. It was not intended to be taken the way some of you interpreted. As usual for any mafia game, you are free to say things like "I find it weird that Morgoth voted with 30 minutes left but didn't post at all between then and the end of the day", but you can't say "I find it weird that Morgoth voted with 30 minutes left and I saw him online for the rest of the day but he didn't post any more". Shinrei did nothing wrong.

Scenes - standard Rot3K scene specifications apply

Reveals and quoting PMs - standard Rot3K specifications apply: you may not quote mod PMs directly, but you can feel free to paraphrase the content. You can fake such content, but may not claim it is direct quotes of the mods, either. You can reveal to Spysat 117 or anything else, same rules apply if you want to repeat your role PM.

Everything make sense?

--D'rek

[Grief]

Cheers D'rek.

[Tapper]

Hugin & Munin, on 23 February 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

Mod Clarifications:

By "post times" I meant only the times that people are posting in general, with comparison to people's meta-knowledge of when, for example, they might usually post. It was not intended to be taken the way some of you interpreted. As usual for any mafia game, you are free to say things like "I find it weird that Morgoth voted with 30 minutes left but didn't post at all between then and the end of the day", but you can't say "I find it weird that Morgoth voted with 30 minutes left and I saw him online for the rest of the day but he didn't post any more". Shinrei did nothing wrong.

Scenes - standard Rot3K scene specifications apply

Reveals and quoting PMs - standard Rot3K specifications apply: you may not quote mod PMs directly, but you can feel free to paraphrase the content. You can fake such content, but may not claim it is direct quotes of the mods, either. You can reveal to Spysat 117 or anything else, same rules apply if you want to repeat your role PM.

Everything make sense?

--D'rek

Does make sense to me!

Thanks for answering, too

[drinksinbars]

thanks modgod!

[Shinrei]

Thanks D'rek. I feel better now.

So.... an "everybody vote silencer party" ?

[MTS]

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

Thanks D'rek. I feel better now.

So.... an "everybody vote silencer party" ?

Isn't that what we should've been doing all along?

[MTS]

Grief, on 23 February 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

I'm not hugely fond of anyone playing the noob card, however, iirc Trull was speaking past tense:

"I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had"

So I don't see it as him definetely trying to make himself seem more innocent. Unless this is actually his first game, which I don't think it is.

Tapper(I think, this is just off the top of my head), mentioned over-reacting a lot the first time he played. To me, it kind of seems like Trull is making the same point-the key difference being that he is still relatively new so it applies to him more than it does tapper. However, I don't think it's particularly damning on it's own.

It's not his first game, and he was referring to the behaviour with HiddenOne early on. Anyway, if he's trying to make the same point as Tapper did with regards to himself then the discussion moved away from Tattersail's behaviour and into his own, which is entirely self-serving, and totally unnecessary when it came to justifying the vote. I totally agree he used Tapper's reasoning to strengthen his own position i.e. Tattersail behaviour was due to a semi-noobish mistake than scummery, but by bringing himself into it it blatantly implied his own innocence, which instantly brings into question his motives for doing so.

I don't think it's particularly damning on its own either though, which is why I didn't add a vote (DiBs added the pressure), and it's very difficult to prove intent, much less whether it was from a scum or an inno not wanting to get lynched in the same manner.

[Mentalist]

yawn
morning all
quick check in before I'm off to do the thing for rez. it's gonna take untill about 2, I thing (so, like 6 hours). the place has wi-fi tho, so I'lll probably log in on my phone to post smth.

[ansible]

I'm back as well, catching up. tCG arrived yesterday which is why I wasn't as active. Also this week is just weird at work so I don't have as much freedom to post as I normally would.